Open 880 - Normal Idea Mafia - Postgame

[Infinity 324]

Like it took until 644 for the Aureal wagon to happen and that was a pretty unexpected flashwagon that then went to a heip flashwagon because Aureal claimed IC and voted for him and everyone else sheeped her, at no point was there any real indication that there was a viable wagon outside of hem/uno from the time FL repped in until like a day before the extended deadline

I just don't think strong scum players think about the game like this, people felt very medium about all the wagons and if someone presented a strong alternative option i might've gone for it and i think others mightve too

[usesPython]

Heip went through because it was viable. The fact that it didn't happen before doesn't make it not viable then. I'm sure Flavor could pull that off if he had put his mind to it

heip went through out of a combination of people not caring who gets limmed + sheeping the IC claim + scum piling on the CW, if Aureal didn't claim IC and start the wagon that late it would have never went through

[usesPython]

Can we please not just do a collab work on the theory of what scum should do

Not when not doing it gets the game sleepwalking into a game losing mech misclear

[usesPython]

I just don't think strong scum players think about the game like this, people felt very medium about all the wagons and if someone presented a strong alternative option i might've gone for it and i think others mightve too

Except that's literally what happened and no one went for it?

[Infinity 324]

I think it's just std+python here. python even scumread std earlier and even if you think flavor is the scummiest scum to ever scum and std is the towniest town to ever town by play it still might be correct to lim std over flavor

pedit: who presented what alternative option

[biancospino]

idk. like I'm sort of wondering why bianco claimed what she did as scum so maybe it's just std/flavor anyway.

Maybe I just wanted you to wonder that. We can swap glasses if you'd prefer

@python [on melo] yeah sure, you're probably right with rbs and stuff I suppose. Disregard.
(But also it may not go to 2:1:1 with protectives and/or the groupscum sheating to avoid letting the sk win no?)

Also, point is, heip didn't like scumslip or anything at eod. So presumably people would have been willing to vote there also before. Do you really believe FL is incapable to ramp up a plausible flashwagon out of thin air? Or that he would have tried at least. He can be quite charismatic

[usesPython]

pedit: who presented what alternative option

We did when we pushed Invis and STD

[usesPython]

Also, point is, heip didn't like scumslip or anything at eod.

Also I'm disappointed you didn't notice hepizhu4 somehow went from "I personally don't like the idea of voting a d1 lurker in a large game (but in case that we have to flip someone, I can still hammer)" to starting a wagon on me in the last 24 hours with absolutely no justification given. I think you guys might've been onto something back on those first few pages after all. VOTE: hepizhu4

[usesPython]

Like can people reread the game it feels like everyone's running on phantom memories instead of what actually happened this game

[Infinity 324]

note that we're talking about worse-case scenarios too, both scum shooting the same player or running into protects n4 are very possible

pedit: yeah I think those were weak alternative options haha

like I responded to "what about invis" with one somewhat towny post and you were like "right cool". and the case against std was that he was more solvy than he usually is as town which is unlikely to be convincing to anyone

[Flavor Leaf]

plenty of FL associatives

anyone see the issue.

infinity. Drew.

[usesPython]

I think it's just std+python here. python even scumread std earlier and even if you think flavor is the scummiest scum to ever scum and std is the towniest town to ever town by play it still might be correct to lim std over flavor

pedit: who presented what alternative option

Tell you what, we get a guarantee that people aren't just gonna sleepwalk into a Python mislim if STD flips green and we'll stop arguing. STD scumflip solves the game, STD greenflip into two kills or no kills solves the game, STD greenflip into one kill loses us the game

[usesPython]

plenty of FL associatives

anyone see the issue.

infinity. Drew.

"Python TR'd hem and uno!!!111!!one!!"

[Flavor Leaf]

Can we fade Python and I block STD since STD cant be strongman unless traitor?

[usesPython]

Wow we're really just letting scum!FL run the game rn

[Flavor Leaf]

Python needs to misfade me as SK I feel to have a decent chance of winning this game, so I think they're just forcing this scum read.

Like it's creating this strong fabricated case on me when there are plenty of reasons against it as well, but they dont fit the narrative they're trying to push, so it doesnt matter to them.

[Flavor Leaf]

if infinity has another doctor, then we can just doctor Bianco, Bianco babysits Camel, Camel Loyal Checks me, I roleblock STD.

Sounds like a great chain tbh

[usesPython]

if infinity has another doctor, then we can just doctor Bianco, Bianco babysits Camel, Camel Loyal Checks me, I roleblock STD.

Sounds like a great chain tbh

Damn it'll be crazy when Snivy dies after you rb bianco and then you 1v1 bianco for the win

Infinity and bianco should both be on snivy

[Infinity 324]

I think it's just std+python here. python even scumread std earlier and even if you think flavor is the scummiest scum to ever scum and std is the towniest town to ever town by play it still might be correct to lim std over flavor

pedit: who presented what alternative option

Tell you what, we get a guarantee that people aren't just gonna sleepwalk into a Python mislim if STD flips green and we'll stop arguing. STD scumflip solves the game, STD greenflip into two kills or no kills solves the game, STD greenflip into one kill loses us the game

sure

I wonder if none of us reveal our targets then? so scum don't know who they'll be framing to no kill or who's protected or who the other scum is killing.

still kinda wanna just do the me protect bianco protect snivy plan which I think only loses to strongman but idk

pedit: mmm lemme think

[Flavor Leaf]

hmm, would that protect Camel indefinitely with Infinity and Bianco both on Camel? Because main thing would be to try and get the Loyal Check on me.

[usesPython]

still kinda wanna just do the me protect bianco protect snivy plan which I think only loses to strongman but idk

pedit: mmm lemme think

It loses to roleblocks too, both of you should be on Snivy so FL cant pull his bullshit

[Flavor Leaf]

I think it's just std+python here. python even scumread std earlier and even if you think flavor is the scummiest scum to ever scum and std is the towniest town to ever town by play it still might be correct to lim std over flavor

pedit: who presented what alternative option

Tell you what, we get a guarantee that people aren't just gonna sleepwalk into a Python mislim if STD flips green and we'll stop arguing. STD scumflip solves the game, STD greenflip into two kills or no kills solves the game, STD greenflip into one kill loses us the game

sure

I wonder if none of us reveal our targets then? so scum don't know who they'll be framing to no kill or who's protected or who the other scum is killing.

still kinda wanna just do the me protect bianco protect snivy plan which I think only loses to strongman but idk

pedit: mmm lemme think

end of the day, we at least get information from the setup, and we'll be able to see where the chain of actions failed.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think Python fade into STD block is the way to go. STD doesnt have an ability that matters if its blocked anyways, and worst case scenario scum frame STD for a misfade. We get a possible free no kill this way.

I feel like Python has a potential strongman as SK here tbh, and id rather block STD who clearly doesnt.

[Infinity 324]

if infinity has another doctor, then we can just doctor Bianco, Bianco babysits Camel, Camel Loyal Checks me, I roleblock STD.

Sounds like a great chain tbh

Damn it'll be crazy when Snivy dies after you rb bianco and then you 1v1 bianco for the win

Infinity and bianco should both be on snivy

trying to not give scum advice but idk if sk shoots snivy in that scenario without knowing if flavor is scum

plus I vote flavor over bianco

like if we both protect snivy scum shoots bianco which is like an extra lim kinda but not super helpful given the numbers I think

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Python

Python came to this day phase knowing they had to take me out I guess, cuz Odd-Night Roleblocker whoops them here.