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[biancospino]

Votecount 3-III

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to hammer.

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Spoiler:

execution votes

Aureal (3):

SirCakez (2181), meowmeow (2230), Merlyn (2262)

Enchant (2):

Flavor Leaf (2242), Hu Tao (2304)

Deal With The Devil (1):

Enchant (2171)

SirCakez (1):

Aureal (2175)

RCEnigma (1):

camelCasedSnivy (2279)

Not voting (3):

Deal With The Devil, RCEnigma, Cat Scratch Fever

projects votes

Sacrifice (3):

camelCasedSnivy (2208), Flavor Leaf (2234), SirCakez (2316)

Recount (2):

Merlyn (2172), Aureal (2175)

Not voting (6):

meowmeow, Deal With The Devil, Enchant, RCEnigma, Hu Tao, Cat Scratch Fever

notes

• The Deadline is due in (expired on 2023-08-27 09:40:33).
  
• Alianna is V/LA until Thursday.

[RCEnigma]

Enchant knows as scum that’s what they do, and it’s almost like a forced mimic of the play in that game, which is making me town read them, which just doesn’t sit right with me.

I’m kinda scum reading them because I’m town reading them

Cakez, Aureal, RCEnigma maybe, and then a deep wolf

I feel Merlyn would be the deep wolf, Alianna and I don't feel good about the end of day.

Also, this is totally scumEnchant.....don't overthink it.

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Do you meant the part where I pointed out very reasonable things that made me doubt the Marci wagon? Let's talk about that. It didn't seem to me like you took even a minute to consider what I said. It would be one thing if you took a look at what I had to say and then said why you didn't agree, but I didn't see that happen.

Well it was an end of day convo Alianna and I had in private, and even after the flip.

Why wait until very late in the wagon to point these things out? Just trying to make yourself look pretty?

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I am very pretty, thanks for noticing even through an online forum

I didn't wait for anything, I was on the fence about Marci but leaning town for some time in the game (see post 1801 and I could see why a wagon formed. I did a re-read of the day to decide if I should add my vote there and I didn't like what I saw, so I posted about it.

I think as scum it would have looked 'prettier' if I had stayed off the wagon and said nothing at all.

Drew is valid that the timing makes it look worse no matter how your read or progression was intentioned. I had the same thought eod because like. There wasn’t much support to push the wagon away from Marci when I was trying to get FL to consider elsewhere. I think meow voiced a townread on Marci around that time but I don’t remember. Which would have been the time to reconsider your feelings on the Marci slot.

[RCEnigma]

I feel complicit though because I didn’t really do anything to push back towards aureal when the other two options from FL were my townreads.

Aureal had some posting that flustered me and I considered it townie.

I think another recount option is aureal, meow, me, Merlyn and if it flips all town it will prove the theory scum was fine letting FL pilot the elims because his at the moment pushes were on town.

What I don’t want (considering FL claims poison) is for scum to hide in his pockets post mortem and watch us pick each other apart.

[RCEnigma]

I also recognize FL could just be gambiting here but I don’t have the brainpower to compute what gets accomplished in that world and to what end the gambit is made for.

[Flavor Leaf]

I feel complicit though because I didn’t really do anything to push back towards aureal when the other two options from FL were my townreads.

Aureal had some posting that flustered me and I considered it townie.

I think another recount option is aureal, meow, me, Merlyn and if it flips all town it will prove the theory scum was fine letting FL pilot the elims because his at the moment pushes were on town.

What I don’t want (considering FL claims poison) is for scum to hide in his pockets post mortem and watch us pick each other apart.

eh i turned on infinity, and town read them by the end of it, and marci deserved to be faded end of the day it was lowkey policy.

[Flavor Leaf]

i have zero regrets on marci fade. it can help lead to a scum fade

[RCEnigma]

I wasn’t really including the infinity fade but yeah I guess that’s partly tied into it too.

[Merlyn]

Enchant knows as scum that’s what they do, and it’s almost like a forced mimic of the play in that game, which is making me town read them, which just doesn’t sit right with me.

I’m kinda scum reading them because I’m town reading them

Cakez, Aureal, RCEnigma maybe, and then a deep wolf

I feel Merlyn would be the deep wolf, Alianna and I don't feel good about the end of day.

Also, this is totally scumEnchant.....don't overthink it.

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Do you meant the part where I pointed out very reasonable things that made me doubt the Marci wagon? Let's talk about that. It didn't seem to me like you took even a minute to consider what I said. It would be one thing if you took a look at what I had to say and then said why you didn't agree, but I didn't see that happen.

Well it was an end of day convo Alianna and I had in private, and even after the flip.

Why wait until very late in the wagon to point these things out? Just trying to make yourself look pretty?

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I am very pretty, thanks for noticing even through an online forum

I didn't wait for anything, I was on the fence about Marci but leaning town for some time in the game (see post 1801 and I could see why a wagon formed. I did a re-read of the day to decide if I should add my vote there and I didn't like what I saw, so I posted about it.

I think as scum it would have looked 'prettier' if I had stayed off the wagon and said nothing at all.

Drew is valid that the timing makes it look worse no matter how your read or progression was intentioned. I had the same thought eod because like. There wasn’t much support to push the wagon away from Marci when I was trying to get FL to consider elsewhere. I think meow voiced a townread on Marci around that time but I don’t remember. Which would have been the time to reconsider your feelings on the Marci slot.

I think this line of thought is a bit silly. Nothing is set in stone until a hammer, all the time up to it should be used to actually try and lim a wolf. I would get it if I had brought it up hours before the deadline when then was no realistic way to change, but that's not the case here.

[Merlyn]

I feel complicit though because I didn’t really do anything to push back towards aureal when the other two options from FL were my townreads.

Aureal had some posting that flustered me and I considered it townie.

I think another recount option is aureal, meow, me, Merlyn and if it flips all town it will prove the theory scum was fine letting FL pilot the elims because his at the moment pushes were on town.

What I don’t want (considering FL claims poison) is for scum to hide in his pockets post mortem and watch us pick each other apart.

I need someone better at mech to tell me if it's a good idea to have three people on the wagon for recount. If we do find scum with recount, are we in a good enough position to sort three vs two?

[Flavor Leaf]

Probably not.

We can do 2 + Me.

I feel there’s gonna be some players who try to go against the plan.

[Flavor Leaf]

People aren’t gonna vote for a wagon they don’t want, so they won’t agree with it.

It’s just an easy scum out as well if we try to make scum go on it.

So might have to do 3 because of that.

[Hu Tao]

If I’m being hard pocketed by Hu Tao, they deserve it tbh.

I’m rooting for you if you’re scum, Hu Tao, that’s how much i town read you this game.

[Hu Tao]

I will say…I have played 2 games with Merlyn recently.

One I was town, they were scum, and they sat back, pocketed me, and were decently passive.

The 2nd, they replaced in mid game, we were scum together, and they were a strong support type, filling in slots where needed

So while i haven’t seen their town game yet, this is feeling a bit different than either of those games.

However, I know I said earlier either Aureal or Merlyn was in the support spot. Idk what I believe in that regard now.

Merlyn seems pretty town to me. Don't think I've played with them before but on tone they seem genuine and I'm pretty good with reading that

[Hu Tao]

i feel the exact same way but for some reason it sounds weird when you say it

[Hu Tao]

There’s a tinfoil world where it’s CSF, Devil, and Cakez, and I’m low key terrified of it right now.

Do you think cakes actually forgot about torture vote? I can see them being scum

[camelCasedSnivy]

confirmation bias

[Hu Tao]

Probably not.

We can do 2 + Me.

I feel there’s gonna be some players who try to go against the plan.

I assumed recount was for all those on the majority vote?

[Hu Tao]

confirmation bias

What is?

[camelCasedSnivy]

i feel the exact same way but for some reason it sounds weird when you say it

this

[camelCasedSnivy]

like what myself said

[Hu Tao]

Yeah it was funny

[SirCakez]

There’s a tinfoil world where it’s CSF, Devil, and Cakez, and I’m low key terrified of it right now.

Do you think cakes actually forgot about torture vote? I can see them being scum

Bruh I have a long history of forgetting about important game mechanics and parts of my role to the point where I've been mislimmed for scumslipping as town because I forgot part of my role. I'm just an incompetent mafia player tbh

[Merlyn]

What?

Okay, so THIS was the plan. Right?

Wait what's the plan for recount tomorrow? How does it get used as a parity check if it only tells us binary y/n if there was a scum on the wagon but not how many?

It's not exactly a parity check.
Basically, no one votes except 2 people on the chosen execution wagon and we let it pass by plurality. If we get a no, they're both confirmed town, and if we get a yes, we know at least one of them is scum.

- Alianna

So two people.

[Hu Tao]

What?

Okay, so THIS was the plan. Right?

Wait what's the plan for recount tomorrow? How does it get used as a parity check if it only tells us binary y/n if there was a scum on the wagon but not how many?

It's not exactly a parity check.
Basically, no one votes except 2 people on the chosen execution wagon and we let it pass by plurality. If we get a no, they're both confirmed town, and if we get a yes, we know at least one of them is scum.

- Alianna

So two people.

I'm so confused.. so it's the people who are voting on recount? Or are you saying we can eliminate people with only 2 voters

[biancospino]

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