Open 881 | Friends and Enemies | Postgame

[Datisi]

im scum

VOTE: aristeia

[Datisi]

i had a dream that i solved this game and was writing a huge case explaining why scum is who they are, but then a ghost spawned in and killed me :< and it was a thaye so i wasn't able to loop it or escape (yes i play too much phasmophobia yes this is like a 3rd dream i had where a ghost killed me, but this one is MAFIA related as well)

anyway yekaterina is scum VOTE: yekaterina

katya often has seemingly weird posts, but the main difference to me between scum and town katya posts is whether i can follow along the underlying thought process or anything. and 38 (and well 36) is a very much, i have no clue how katya got to these posts and i feel like it's a question that katya's asking for the sake of asking but that doesn't actually do anything.

should i townread mala for drunk shitposting? probably not?

my feet are all sandy and i haven't seen a single perseid

I blame Dats

you should've gone with me yesterday </3

[Datisi]

Slight TL on yekaterina for 54 seems like they threw in some genuine thought here in their analysis of players and the thought process makes sense imo.

do you think that's something it wouldn't have done as scum?

[Datisi]

I was just about to vote STD for voting Datasi and then I remembered datisi writing a whole shpeel about effort town posting as scum. And then I remembered I can’t read Datisi for shit.

what

i didn't even effortpost yet

[Datisi]

yes i know that you know it but the tell worked last time so i'm not sure why i should not think it's working again this time

like even right now it feels like you're trying to iron out this misunderstandign or whatever but i don't see you actually making any kind of alignment calls on anyone, which is odd because you approached bell about it and spending time just to argue "that whole thing is nai actually" without getting anything from it or trying to get anything from it feels like scum-aigned busywork ig

[Datisi]

i was hoping that doctor drew was gonna like, have some sorta follow up to the convo that started here but he didn't which i find kind of off

should i be partner hunting at page 5? no. someone yell at me.

[Datisi]

v/la until tuesday

i'm going on a full day trip tomorrow. might post during bus rides but no promises

[Datisi]

maybe Datisi has that rugged handsome detective energy this game

perhaps! it has been a while, i kind of miss it

can you show me you're town so i don't have to paranoia about you and we can solve together?

[Datisi]

i was hoping that doctor drew was gonna like, have some sorta follow up to the convo that started here but he didn't which i find kind of off

should i be partner hunting at page 5? no. someone yell at me.

What convo?

36 38, optionally also me calling those posts out

[Datisi]

dunn's stuff on doctor drew is pretty weak... but it does feel a pinch above rand in accuracy, at least compared to whatever else's happening, so

VOTE: doctor drew

[Datisi]

why is drew town @bulge

[Datisi]

meowmeow can be town actually idk

[Datisi]

part of it was wanting to create an actual wagon to hopefully get the things going

whatever dunn said sounded like it could be slightly above rand likely to be correct

yeah uh not reading plus not having any comment on me/katya is not a good first impression idk

[Datisi]

you can do better than that, std

[Datisi]

ausuka

*spits out pasta*

...god how am i SO FUCKING BAD AT ALTS??

[Datisi]

interesting because my first thought upon reading 180 was "well why didn't you fucken ask about my read if you find it that bad" but then i remembered that it DID ask, but it was in the form of the "yeah?" which i ignored because i didn't really know whether it was telling me to elaborate or what

[Datisi]

like if i ask in this way it doesn't give datisi as much information with which to answer the question

i mean this part is correct, i didn't even get the information that the question was being asked

[Datisi]

actually in what way is "why do you think so?" more revealing than "yeah?"

[Datisi]

anyway to answer The Question i guess, 147 and 149 were like. attempting to get the ball rolling. and also at first i didn't think much of superbowl's comment, but reading meow's post i was like, actually it's weird. because hyperposting is generally a thing of personality/playstyle, not alignment, and assuming superbowl knows that, 137 does seem like a pretty nothing comment that's appearing to be helpful.

idk if that's what meow saw there, but i felt like it was a good find and Assumed so yeet questionable townread on meow is a go

[Datisi]

i posted about it then because that's when i got the thought

[Datisi]

i will incorporate that into my worldview


[post=superbowl]superbowl[/post]

[Datisi]

what the fuck datisi. what the fuck is wrong with you

VOTE: superbowl

[Datisi]

oh no superbowl is funny i feel bad for voting him now

i'm willing to actually call mala town for now, i think. feels like she has more life in her here than in some past scumgames. though it has been a while so correct me if i'm wrong etc etc

[Datisi]

i don't think i have any scum reads/scum leans per se right now - but reading dati's posts i don't hate their thoughts on meow so maybe i just plaster my RVS vote to stay for now

my thoughts on meow were a townread, not a scumread

(btw if you wanna abbreviate my name pls use "dats")

[Datisi]

because hyperposting is generally a thing of personality/playstyle, not alignment, and assuming superbowl knows that, 137 does seem like a pretty nothing comment that's appearing to be helpful.

idk to me it just seems like

'if yekaterina continues hyperposting, it will be somewhat easily sorted' (or if it keeps hyperposting it will be nightkilled and thus! easily sorted)

either of which i think are probably pretty accurate and logical?

if you want to feed superbowl answers on how to respond to my vote, do it in the scum pt

[Datisi]

oh wow i forgot about that post, my bad

i think i forgot about it because i legitimately do not understand what that response means

[Datisi]

i will be sortable if i continue hyperposting

i wanna hear an actual elaboration from superbowl for why he thinks so

[Datisi]

i dont understand the superbowl votes

Spoiler: quoting for notifs

Katya seems like they'll sort themselves if they keep hyperposting Ari are you scum or nah?
@drew For real its been a while tho tbf

what do you want to say about ari here, and do you think hyperposting players are often easy to read?

VOTE: superbowl9

what the fuck datisi. what the fuck is wrong with you

VOTE: superbowl

VOTE: superbowl

I prefer pasta

anyway to answer The Question i guess, 147 and 149 were like. attempting to get the ball rolling. and also at first i didn't think much of superbowl's comment, but reading meow's post i was like, actually it's weird. because hyperposting is generally a thing of personality/playstyle, not alignment, and assuming superbowl knows that, 137 does seem like a pretty nothing comment that's appearing to be helpful.

idk if that's what meow saw there, but i felt like it was a good find and Assumed so yeet questionable townread on meow is a go

[Datisi]

I didn't even understand the point of the datisi comment

was it like a joke? if they're mafia why would you want them to keep it in the scum pt >.>

i was a snarky "why are you answering instead of him" type comment, not aware of the fact he had already responded

[Datisi]

how serious is this? the annoyance, not the partner accusation.

i disliked the post but i'm not super annoyed by it. i wasn't expecting to get a super telling answer from superbowl i guess

[Datisi]

dude i don't mind discussing the hyperposting part with katya, my problem was that i was hoping superbowl would comment on it first, and i thought she was feeding him answers. what i forgot about was that superbowl commented on the whole thing, because 213 didn't (and still doesn't) make sense to me so my brain just deleted it from memory.

actually typing that out, your point is that my 193 doesn't make it clear that i want to hear superbowl's response to it first? i mean that is kinda fair. the "assuming superbowl knows that" should've been better phrased to say i explicitly want his thoughts on it


if you're not going to ask "but datisi if you didn't think superbowl had answered your sort-of-question by the time you posted 220, why didn't you ask him about it then" because i fucking forgot about asking it in the first place

[Datisi]

so you think my scum plan was to trick katya into responding to a question that i was pretending was for superbowl, because ???

so that i could make a snarky response

like if you're telling me you think my "can you feed him answers on the scum pt" was an honest push on katya then i will laugh

[Datisi]

yes i already said i can see why that post is so horribly worded compared to what i wanted to get out of it

do you actually have a point on why that makes me scum (as opposed to being a forgetful dumbass, which i am) or can we move on

[Datisi]

i'm just taking things to their logical conclusion. like if you're accusing me of being scummy, then surely there is a reason why you think things are more likely to come from scum me than town me, otherwise your accusation holds no weight whatsoever.

like okay, if you think my annoyance was manufactured, okay great. what does scum me get out of that? you can't just imply it's because i'm scum and scum makes up things, like why.

like idk whta to tell you. i had forgotten the whole interaction took place, i saw katya responding to my post, and in the process quoting just part of my post. the part of the post that she quoted in her response made me think "oh damn i wish superbowl had commented on that before she did" and i wrote the reply out

[Datisi]

inconsistency is not a scumtell etc etc

bulge is town

[Datisi]

the way bulge is going about it seems townie. like, he seems so fucking deadset in seeing this through, i don't feel like he's pushing me just to push me. and i think scum is somewhat less likely to notice the inconsistency in my emotional reaction from the first post to the second

[Datisi]

this post is not trying to pocket meowmeow i promise

VOTE: shadi

do any of the datisi

haters

voters want anything from me? lmk okay?

[Datisi]

i'm not reading things through that lens i think shadi is individually scummy

[Datisi]

like why is datisi voting now what has changed since datisi pointed out the 'big glaring problem' other than your vote and such

wagons are good!! wagons make people do things!! this game needs people to do things!!

[Datisi]

if you could describe your current thoughts on katya's slot, they would be...

what do you think of ari?

idk, i still think a lot of the things it's saying don't make a lot of sense (and thus it's a scumlean) but the current discussion happening is lowkey stupid and i'm not sure it's actually indicative of alignemnt

nothing

[Datisi]

it's not to others, it's to me

like i feel like i can follow town-you's process of thinking very clearly, even if it's something i'd never think myself, while scum-you is more ???

but like this is a very bad gamestate to be trying to employ that read strategy

[Datisi]

well, is it working?

[Datisi]

*blinks*

[Datisi]

i thought he was town and i like saying reads that i have

[Datisi]

not really

[Datisi]

'I am sick of arguing with you, if I call you town will you leave me alone?'

not to towncase self meta etc, but if i were scum it would be so easy to keep that meaningless discussion going. like, i think someone even commented that it's antitown the longer it goes on. why would i not cut it short?

idk fam i'm just vibing and people don't like it, it do be like that sometimes

and this is why i like when people vote and make pushes, because if y'all don't vote it gives a great excuse to scum / lazy players to do nothing and then nothing is happening and we can't solve shit when nothing is happening

[Datisi]

I did want to break up this back and forth a bit though, tvt ,svs, tvs.....either way, the longer a back and forth goes the more it becomes anti town.

actually yeah it was literally you who said that the loner the back and forth goes on the more anti town it is

[Datisi]

'I am sick of arguing with you, if I call you town will you leave me alone?'

not to towncase self meta etc, but if i were scum it would be so easy to keep that meaningless discussion going. like, i think someone even commented that it's antitown the longer it goes on. why would i not cut it short?

are you saying it was indeed an attempt to end the argument?

yes

i didn't lie about townreading you though, it was more like "ok bulge is town, i am not getting anything else useful from this and i doubt anyone else will either, pog"

[Datisi]

yes i'm aware those are two different things but i still find it eyebrow raising he wouldn't think about if the two actions are interconnected somehow, you feel

[Datisi]

what do you think about Bell?

not much

i was thinking earlier he's vaguely townie solely for the fact he's actually posting but i haven't been impressed yet or anything

wanna sell me on him being scum?

[Datisi]

i don't get what you're referring to

[Datisi]

k

[Datisi]

probably biased myself but the "why are you making me do work" lines read really awkward to me

hehehe

don't.

[Datisi]

unironically 100% true

[Datisi]

we can yeet shadi

or superbowl

or even sheep maybe

this game gives me look at postcount find scum vibes idk why

[Datisi]

okay so okay so okay so

just under three and a half days left on deadline:

Deadline for Day 1 is August 22 at 6:00 PM EST.

Deadline Timer:

(expired on 2023-08-22 18:00:00)

which is plenty of time of course no need to immediately work towards consensus or anything just something to be aware of

the fact that you made this post, but you STILL haven't voted, is really annoying me and i'm halfway to scumreading it i think

can you give me the very short cliffnotes to your current reads?

[Datisi]

bestie i just want some sorta indication where your head is at because you're saying a lot of words but you haven't properly pushed or voted anyone and saying words is generally much easier than doing things

[Datisi]

lurkers / lowposters (shadi, superbowl) are saying things that are scummy

but also getting wagons on them feels like pulling teeth, which hints towards scum not wanting them to die

like arguably yes this could be a scenario where they're town LHF and scum is just twiddling their thumbs doing nothing but i currently think the first scenario is more likely

i think that's what i was feeling when i said feels like a lurker scum game, just hadn't worked out the gut feeling

[Datisi]

shadi1337 has been frustrating and doesn't feel like, towny, to me, just like, saying things i guess but i don't trust the wagon at all

what's wrong with the wagon

when are you planning to vote someone

[Datisi]

they're individually scummy as well, not just associatively

yes i'm aware what the setup is. but we cannot play the whole game by not pushing people at all because oh god what if mason.

[Datisi]

don't trust the people on it and it hasn't felt like any of you have tried to do much to sort shadi1337 outside of voting

i think his reads are bad, his reactions to getting votes are bad and his tone when making jokes is goddamn awful

like, do i need to write 1k words for it to count as sorting? i've said these things already

[Datisi]

it was supposed to evolve by people using the core mechanic of this game, voting, building a wagon on him, and then gaining more info once he either actually starts contributing or petapan posts his role pm

[Datisi]

could you walk me through why with regards to superbowl9

he had that weird post about hyperposting and readability that doesn't contribute anything, and then like from that point on he's saying *words* but those words don't actually go anywhere

like, i played with him once a few years ago, i was scum in that game and he was town but i remember him actually like, doing things

[Datisi]

you are correct in saying that my giving-a-shit levels about this game are very low

[Datisi]

am i the only one who's very confused by superbowl's 721

ari asked a question about why i said something
then she said she townreads me for a silly reason
then she asked someone else why they scumread me

like i don't get what's the clarifying doesn't want to clarify then about. and she didn't really change her opinion on me from what i can see? im assuming that's the "if you wanted to slap a SR" part about because otherwise i really do not see how it follows from the posts he listed there

[Datisi]

i wasn't saying "vote someone or i will scumread you"

i was saying "vote someone or i'll get annoyed. also the fact that you're calling for thinking about the deadline and possible consolidation, when you yourself are not doing the main thing that helps actually move wagons forward, is potentially scummy because it's just empty posturing that means nothing, but i'm not sure if i actually think that or if it's just a passing thought "

[Datisi]

also regardless of my read on someone i can find their new posts townie or scummy

[Datisi]

also regardless of my read on someone i can find their new posts townie or scummy

well yes but if already leaning towards scum with regards to me then the amount of annoyance expressed wouldn't really make sense to me

like if you think a scums is not doing the thing towns should be doing, it isn't annoying, it is simply scummy, yes?

i never play the game like "this person is scum and i am never revisiting that read ever and i will treat them as scum for the rest of the game"

i assume i don't need to have the "if you're scum then i understand that you're doing things to further your agenda but if you're town then you behaviour is--" because it's (1) annoying for me to type (2) annoying for you to read

[Datisi]

like is anyone townreading meowmeow?

i am
or like i used to back when i actually cared about reading the game

why *are* you voting her? i find it very odd that some people think she's somehow the best choice

and i find it doubly odd how the shadi wagon ain't going anywhere while the meowmeow wagon happen ebcause of ??? reasons and got 3 votes like nothing

[Datisi]

ok i found the meowmeow post

idk i don't think i can scumread her for that because i very much also feel the "what has katya done that is townie at all this game?" (before you ask i've given up on pushing that today and yes i am aware that i might be wrong. which is why i am not pushing you in every post i make and instead we're having a normal conversation)

[Datisi]

VOTE: superbowl

i still think shadi needs to fucking die but this is better than meowmeow

[Datisi]

also in sheep's case, double standard of me i know, i don't find him to be motivated to solve as much as i think sheep usually does and either he's scum or not-so-contributing town.

do you have any thoughts on this vs the meta about him dunn said and why are you not voting sheep if this is what you think about him

[Datisi]

at the risk of the timing of this post being sussy to some people here

i like the way katya was interacting with superbowl

[Datisi]

bell, what is the thought process and the plan behind your current vote

[Datisi]

bell, what is the thought process and the plan behind your current vote

I figure you will die if I vote you.

that's not whta i'm asking and you know it

[Datisi]

You're mad for reasons that appear to be self-serving/meant to protect you.

what is this even about? i don't feel like i was mad at all this game, except for maybe the parts where i was annoyed katya wasn't voting, but like she wasn't townreading me it makes no sense for that claim to be about "protecting myself"

anyway my issue with your vote is that you made like a whole thing early game talking about how you can never read me and i find it odd you'd be confident enough in your read on me to start a wagon at deadline, even though sheep and i had the same number of votes (0, not counting yours) and you did like nothing to actually convince anyone to vote sheep, as far as i can remember

ok i just checked it was a few "look at their iso guys they're being unreadable" which like, lole

[Datisi]

i maybe worry about the fact that datisi getting annoyed with me has like, would i get annoyed with you about not voting when you are scumreading me and might vote me?, factor

except for maybe the parts where i was annoyed katya wasn't voting, but like she wasn't townreading me it makes no sense for that claim to be about "protecting myself"

yes, point that to bell thank you

[Datisi]

do you have feelings about him? i think ive seen him kind of ghost last time i played this setup and he was mafia.

oh hey haha i remember that

[Datisi]

i read your post meowmeow!! i didn't have much to say about it but i did read it

[Datisi]

i will be around for the entirety of those 11 hours READY to vote shadi

but yes i am not expecting it to happen but

[Datisi]

didn't really get the vibe from his post that it was that, although i think it was a good push and even if he didn't think so there's no reason to sus datisi for it over me. something about "his posts aren't ai and will be a late game detriment" and then "not exactly why i'm voting you" and he hasn't really said anything more about it since, like, post 250.

there's 994

i'm not sure what to think about it because, either i'm misundestanding what the word "backfooted" means or what. because i don't feel like i've been giving up pushes or anything? like sure i'm not screaming pushing someone but i've had scumreads i think they're fine i don't get it

and not sure what about my criticisms didn't make sense to him

[Datisi]

simply hyperposting isn't always great for readability and hyperposters don't get killed always and etc etc

like i can see that yes, hyperposters are probably easier to read than a lurker

but i think the bigger problem was that that was like, one of his rare alignment-adjacent statements at the time and it's a sort of vaguely helpful but not really statements and i didn't like it

[Datisi]

VOTE: shadi

i believe

[Datisi]

also in sheep's case, double standard of me i know, i don't find him to be motivated to solve as much as i think sheep usually does and either he's scum or not-so-contributing town.

do you have any thoughts on this vs the meta about him dunn said and why are you not voting sheep if this is what you think about him

i know you get notifs for this so i'm not buying the "i'm just skimming the game haha" argument

also that post is saying like nothing about alignments at all

he says he thinks sheep is scummy but doesn't vote there?? he just unvotes?? even though there's been like at least one person that also wants to kill sheep? can we please yeet shadi like please

[Datisi]

oops i fell asleep but i see not much was missed ok cool

[Datisi]

i'm not saying it's changed but you don't at all seem to want to ask or inquire about this

dude you made a post where you responded to like 5 or 6 non-alignment posts, said meaningless shit, and said nothing about the game. you even UNVOTED at the deadline. do you really think it's "unreasonable" or "scummy" of me to have no faith that you actually have alignment thoughts but aren't posting them?

[Datisi]

like, if you're trying to tell me "i could've read sheep's posts and had a very cool conclusion about him, but i decided not to post about it, and you're scum for not considering that i could've done that"

if you HAD done that, congratulations! that also would've been scummy as shit!

[Datisi]

not to be tunnelled or anything but this feels like a horrible excuse he came up with solely so he "has a reason" for voting me as if that makes him look better

i guess that would imply superbowl is scum as well but i did say superbowl's unvote of shadi is super bad so yeet

[Datisi]

VOTE: superbowl

[Datisi]

since you seem like a guy who reads first and makes comments as you go, i would assume that you would actually SAY what your sheep read update is if you had one, especially as you quoted two of his posts in 1111

you didn't, therefore i'm assuming it didn't change, hence it's suspicious that you didn't vote someone you scumread when we're this close to deadline

i mean your claim is "i didn't say anything about my sheep read in my 1111 even though i quoted some of his posts in it to reply to it, and you're scummy for not asking me about that read instead of just assuming nothing changed. also i didn't have any change" like dude come on

if you don't say there's been a change about your biggest scumread (?) i'm gonna assume there hasn't been a change, especially when you give every implication that you've read his new posts, i really don't think it's reasonable to scumread me for assuming that

[Datisi]

i wouldn't assume my latest posts had convinced you of me being town but i am interested in hearing you talk about it (you can wait until meowmeow responds if you want)

[Datisi]

well, if i'm right in there being at least one scum in shadi/superbowl, i assume this eod1 will be pretty telling

if not idk good luck figuring shit out

[Datisi]

it do be like that

[Datisi]

tbh the easiest way to tell i'm town is that i'm getting yeeted day 1 huehuehue (no the coalition didn't count shut the FUCK up)

[Datisi]

ok i'm very likely to spend the majority of my last living hour of my life here playing phasmo, so like if you (pliral) have any questions for me please let me know sooner rather than later

[Datisi]

ok i'm very likely to spend the majority of my last living hour of my life here playing phasmo, so like if you (pliral) have any questions for me please let me know sooner rather than later

cats or frogs?

cats

[Datisi]

imagine a world where we don't misseet me day 1

gg