Micro 1091 - Prism v. 1L Year [Game Over]

[Dunnstral]

If you think that then it's weird that you are suspecting me after I got tracked to Lukewarm

I think you trueclaimed.
Your play makes only real sense if you really were 1-shot.

I can't tell if you are calling me town here, but if you are I feel like you were speculating that I may have been mafia earlier

[Lukewarm]

Dunn, don't you see?

He thinks you could be a true claiming, scum-aligned, 1-shot doctor (in a game with no Vigilante) who used their 1 shot to protect the town tracker.

[GuiltyLion]

@Dunn

this is what SirCakez said:

I'm even more suspicious as Luke has claimed he found yet another PR, which, two millers, another visiting PR, Luke and my role seems absurd. We should probably mass claim,

someone in the PR claims is lying.

then you claim doctor and he evolves to this:

I don't think Dunn is scum because then town had 0 protective power. Luke's role + Dunns + me is a perfect level of town power.

seems like he doesn't want to piss you off by doubting your claim

[GuiltyLion]

also like... pocketing is a thing lol

[GuiltyLion]

also you had already indicated you'd be willing to believe his claim in 1115 and 1120 in between when he said "someone in the PRs is lying" to when he said he believes the 3 PRs

[Meuh]

I agree with RH9 that town!Dunn is likely trueclaiming and I don't get the vibe he's playing wacky mindgames as town
Which is also a large part as to why Lukewarm's counter to my argument for Dunn!scum is uncompelling to me
I suppose discussing this extensively if Dunn is town and lives to night is bad, but I don't want him to live to night lmao

[Meuh]

I don't think Dunn is scum because then town had 0 protective power. Luke's role + Dunns + me is a perfect level of town power.

Also is town rber not functionally a protective role? It differs in how it's used but a doctor and an rber are both trying to stop the NK

[Meuh]

I agree with RH9 that town!Dunn is likely trueclaiming and I don't get the vibe he's playing wacky mindgames as town
Which is also a large part as to why Lukewarm's counter to my argument for Dunn!scum is uncompelling to me
I suppose discussing this extensively if Dunn is town and lives to night is bad, but I don't want him to live to night lmao

I guess it's also bad if he's scum and lives to night because he might want to let Lukewarm live then?

[Meuh]

Town does not have the thought of "millers are mislimmable on day 1 here"
GL is scum playing against 2 town millers he didn't feel like he could mislim
I think this perspective kinda unpairs Cakez/GL since wasn't Cakez one of the people who was sticking to not limming a miller day 1? His perspective (as town) would affect GL's view of a miller mislim (as scum)

I don't understand this post

Dunn asked what is wrong with a micro with 3 PRs + 2 millers, so I explained why there can't be 3 PRs + 2 millers

"scum perspective" is required to explain why a theoretical set up is unbalanced for scum

I kind of think we just yeet GuiltyLion here I believe in all my PRs

there literally has to be scum in the PRs

especially if you are town

@Luke am I crazy? why does it feel like I'm the only person saying both Cakez and Dunn cannot be town

I guess Meuh also said the same thing but called me scum for saying it

My point was more specifically regarding millers not being mislimmable on day 1.
The way that clashed with my own (and others') view of the game and the way that I think scum would be more likely to believe it was my issue
The rest of your post was fine
But yeah this setup does not work if all the claims are real, there's scum in Dunn/Cakez here, though probably not both. (2-shot tracker + 2 millers is feasible I guess? But not super likely in my eyes)

[Meuh]

If I were to rank scum team possibilities on the way I see mech here it'd be something like this

Most likely

RH9/GL/Pooky + Dunn/Cakez
RH9/GL/Pooky + Luke
Dunn + Cakez
Luke + Dunn/Cakez
RH9/GL + Pooky
RH9 + GL

Least likely

(The Luke!scum scenarios likely involve Dunn and/or Cakez lying about shot count)

[Meuh]

VT
VT
VT
Miller
2S Tracker
1S RB
1S Doc
Scum
Scum

Looks like a real setup to me

Absolutely not

If both scum are in the PR/Miller claims then that would make both GL and RH9 town and I find that very hard to believe lol

Who even is saying both scum are in PR/Miller? It's pretty likely to be a VT+1 PR here
Why is this the possibility you're even acklowledging here when you/Dunn + GL/RH9 has been pushed more as an idea (and is more reasonable than your idea that all the PR claims are town)

[Meuh]

@Luke am I crazy? why does it feel like I'm the only person saying both Cakez and Dunn cannot be town

If you ignore the existence of the millers, I think that 2S Tracker + XS Doc + 1S RB can all fit in this game. But with the 2 miller claims added on top, I am less sure.

But I am not sure if that means scum in dunn/cakez or if that means scum in the millers.

Why are you treating Dunn as an X-shot but Cakez as a 1-shot?

[Meuh]

One thing that sticks out in Cakez' favour here is that he was already implying being a PR that didn't visit last night before Dunn had claimed
As scum, he had no need to commit to claiming PR this early and could've waited to choose when his turn came to claim, but he was already directing himself towards that before even knowing who Luke had visited and this person's role. If scum Cakez softs PR and then Dunn claims something like full doc, he's forced to retract his soft or to claim a weak PR, and neither looks good.
This contrasts with Dunn who was forced into a position where he had to claim PR and then did so, self-admittedly being scared of another PR claiming and looking bad because of it. Cakez has backed down on this so it's less significant, but pushing the idea of scum existing in the PRs while deciding to soft PR himself as scum is pretty risky
imo Dunn handled the PR situation in the safest, most textbook way, while Cakez did it in a weird, risky way that doesn't seem like how scum would want to approach it

[Meuh]

If people are unwilling to do Dunn then I'll probably vote GL but I'm a whole lot less excited about that

[SirCakez]

@Dunn

this is what SirCakez said:

I'm even more suspicious as Luke has claimed he found yet another PR, which, two millers, another visiting PR, Luke and my role seems absurd. We should probably mass claim,

someone in the PR claims is lying.

then you claim doctor and he evolves to this:

I don't think Dunn is scum because then town had 0 protective power. Luke's role + Dunns + me is a perfect level of town power.

seems like he doesn't want to piss you off by doubting your claim

What changed here?
By PR claims I mean all non-VTs, if that clarifies

[SirCakez]

I don't think Dunn is scum because then town had 0 protective power. Luke's role + Dunns + me is a perfect level of town power.

Also is town rber not functionally a protective role? It differs in how it's used but a doctor and an rber are both trying to stop the NK

Yeah but there's no power to directly protect a claimed PR like Cop. That's how I differentiate. RBer is more like..general utility

[SirCakez]

either

1) Cakez just trueclaimed his role as a scum RB

Do you thing scum rb cakez would choose to not roleblock me night 1 after I claimed tracker day 1?

I think if it's Cakez + one of the miller claims then yes, as a claimed miller could safely make a kill

This posits both scum in the PR/Miller claims @Mwuh

[SirCakez]

I've already said I think one scum is in the VTs and one is in the not-VTs

[RH9]

I kind of think we just yeet GuiltyLion here I believe in all my PRs

I guess this is OK with me.

what do you mean you guess? the alternative is you lol

Because there's still wagons on you/Dunn?
And chances are it's going to be between me/you/GL.

[RH9]

Dunn, don't you see?

He thinks you could be a true claiming, scum-aligned, 1-shot doctor (in a game with no Vigilante) who used their 1 shot to protect the town tracker.

That is not what I've been saying.
I'm saying that Dunn is probably trueclaiming the 1-shot aspect if he is really a town doc.

[Meuh]

I've already said I think one scum is in the VTs and one is in the not-VTs

I think there's a wide difference between VT/miller and VT/PR for team composition, though. The second option is much more likely imo

[GuiltyLion]

By PR claims I mean all non-VTs, if that clarifies

oof actually this makes a huge difference lol I need to reread your posts and think again with that in mind, I was interpreting your use of "PR" literally
UNVOTE:

[Meuh]

Dunn, don't you see?

He thinks you could be a true claiming, scum-aligned, 1-shot doctor (in a game with no Vigilante) who used their 1 shot to protect the town tracker.

That is not what I've been saying.
I'm saying that Dunn is probably trueclaiming the 1-shot aspect if he is really a town doc.

Yeah this part from Luke/Dunn confused me, RH9 was pretty clearly saying that Dunn,

if town

, was being fully truthful (which also lines up with my perspective at this point)

[RH9]

If you think that then it's weird that you are suspecting me after I got tracked to Lukewarm

I think you trueclaimed.
Your play makes only real sense if you really were 1-shot.

I can't tell if you are calling me town here, but if you are I feel like you were speculating that I may have been mafia earlier

Well. I felt like you could be scum, due to the fact that Cakez barely makes sense as scum with half of everybody but like you and Pooky.
And Pooky hasn't felt like scum to me, so reasonably this limits scum to you/GL/Cakez/Meuh.
However, I have been thinking that Cakez can actually be Town and I've been mindmelding with Meuh, leaving the scumpool to you/GL.
On the other hand, your play if town, makes more sense coming from a world where you trueclaimed than one where you're playing elaborate mindgames like Luke has been suggesting.

[RH9]

I kind of think we just yeet GuiltyLion here I believe in all my PRs

I guess this is OK with me.

what do you mean you guess? the alternative is you lol

Because there's still wagons on you/Dunn?
And chances are it's going to be between me/you/GL.

OK.
Maybe this is going to end up with what you've been saying.