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With 7 alive, it takes 4 to hammer.

Votes

heipizhu4 (2 = E-2):

Passenger (213), BlueSnakelet (218)

Passenger (1):

Random Nurse (197)

Not Voting (4):

ZZZX, AnimatedWiz (106), heipizhu4 (154), TheHoldSteady (220)

Notes

• The Deadline is due in (expired on 2023-09-16 23:21:44)
  
• You can find the combined mod ISO here.
  
• ZZZX is V/LA for the next two days.
  
• heipizhu4 is being replaced.

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JacksonVirgo replaces heipizhu4. Please welcome them!

[JacksonVirgo]

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[JacksonVirgo]

Aka egopost, will catch up soon

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: ZZZX
Scummy-ish hop on

Id vote you but I forgot what that term was called... time to get back to the wiki.

But I will bite, why is it scummish? :good:

ZZZ is being incredibly self-aware. Putting a safety-helmet on with the post before doing the thing (calling it scummy) anyway as if you're afraid of the backlash.

heipzhu4, BlueSnakelet, ZZZX, Passenger, Hu Tao, AnimatedWiz and TheHoldSteady need to step up their activity

I feel called out!

VOTE: NM

Wow, double-posting to inflate your post count, how desperate

VOTE: ZZZX

Why did y'all eject this guy, he's funny as hell.

Yes! It was OMGUS, thanks.

I was thinking the previous ZZZ post I quoted was partially a joke but this implies you were entirely serious so my point is now doubled. Why are you so concerned about appearing like you aren't just OMGUS voting? If you think it's scummy, push it.

You know what? I will do a serious vote for once and a question.

Are you scum NM? My gut is tingling and questioning you right now. Mostly probably becuase you are the only one here i have any semblence of an ability to read here currently.

VOTE: NM

Thst puts you at L2 if I am not mistaken

I now think ZZZ is just a wolf. Why do you need to preface that you're doing a serious vote. Why are you asking someone if they're wolf. You're reading them as wolf because "I don't have a read on anybody else" yet say your gut is tingling on them. Which are two contradictory statements. You then act LAMIST with the L-2 declaration.

Well, a decent amount of us have made public a read or two—I figured you might also have one, even if it’s rather undeveloped.

Animated appears to be acting incredibly pro-town and for now at this point in the catch-up I'm inclined to believe them town. It could be because the lack of overall content that wolves are able to control the early game a lot more and they appear to know what they're doing so I am of course cautious but this is a great thing to keep in mind. I like them a lot.

Side note I won't be giving reads on the two dead folk even if I would be TRing hu tao so hard rn if I was in D1.

I suppose even a Villager might try to be hard to read—still feels off to me, but I concede I have less experience with them.

I’ll keep my vote on them for now, but who knows how this elimination will end up?

Not_Mafia is common low hanging fruit. They've always been like this in my experience and typically LHF has scum pushing it pretty hard if there is no resistance to it so I'll check back later when I'm fully caught up to see if that was the case here or not.

VOTE: Not Mafia

Anyways.

Why did you hammer here?

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That being said. Caught up on D1. Onto D2

[JacksonVirgo]

What do we think of Random Nurse quickhammering? I have to admit, encountering some WIFOM trying to decipher the reasons he would have to do so.

I want to wait to see if they responded (I assume they have), quick-hammering in a typical game usually comes from Town. But in a smaller game such as this, and considering NM's position I wouldn't be entirely shocked if RN is scum here that saw the opportunity.

I'll keep you posted as I read further

[JacksonVirgo]

So, yeah, I hammered Not Mafia because I'm not going to tolerate a jester who doesn't contribute to the gamestate and is just going to be mis-lim bait. If he's going to be a jester he can go Day 1 instead of end game. Got it?

I am absolutely certain Scum will attempt to use my hammering of NM against me, so if you're Town FFS, be smart.

Now, with that out if the way, get out of my way as I take a look at the VCs and associations. If you want to fight me over NM's yeet I will give it to you.

I can respect this reasoning, the hammer itself (while still very anti-town) isn't scummy.

[JacksonVirgo]

So, yeah, I hammered Not Mafia because I'm not going to tolerate a jester who doesn't contribute to the gamestate and is just going to be mis-lim bait. If he's going to be a jester he can go Day 1 instead of end game. Got it?

I am absolutely certain Scum will attempt to use my hammering of NM against me, so if you're Town FFS, be smart.

Now, with that out if the way, get out of my way as I take a look at the VCs and associations. If you want to fight me over NM's yeet I will give it to you.

Look at

what

associations?

You quick hammered page 4-5, when we weren't even really out of RVS, half the votes on NM were simply people either annoyed by him, parked on him (like mine), or scum making use of the situation to get a quick elim.

I think blue is probably town, Random might be scum, but I can't even be sure because I can see non-scum just doing that horrid horrid decision.

I also think one of the people not voting was probably scum.

BUT instead of having information of people, we are just empty because you took that QH, to be honest blue setting NM to E-1 was equally problematic.

You're shading/discrediting RN without having the balls to commit to the read. It's clear you are putting it out that you scum-read them but you aren't at all putting your back behind it. Are you afraid of putting yourself out there?

[JacksonVirgo]

Yeah, this game doesn’t have too much talk—not necessarily a bad thing, but it does make it difficult to get a read on anyone due to how little most of us have said.

If I might ask—BlueSnakelet, what reads do you have? You’ve had several votes but not spoken too much about what motivated them.

Being day 2 and 10 pages is already advantageous to the wolves so I'm hoping to pick up that slack. I've already gauged that I can probably talk logically with you of all the players so I can't wait to have a discussion about this with you. Why do you think RN is particularly wolfy rn? I believe that's what you said your stance on them was

[JacksonVirgo]

NOW, what do you make of the idea of a mass-claim? We are what, two mis-lims away from defeat? I need more information to work with and I think now is the time for all of us to put our cards on the table.

I think a mass claim will go how BlueSnakelet mentioned it thought the quickhammer question would go—maybe not useful immediately, but the second someone deviates we have a target to go for. Honestly, I think it’s great zoning, so we should probably try it out.

In that case,

I’m a vanilla Villager.

A mass-claim is not a good idea. It leaves the game in a mech focus which is not at all what benefits the Town but it's probably already happened so can't really do much about that now huh

[TheHoldSteady]

I like Jackson more than I liked help


Woops I have too many town reads

Have to reboot a bit and see where I went wrong

[JacksonVirgo]

RN, in my world, I’m a Town Backup Neighbor and you’re a Town Traffic Analyst and heiphi and Blue are both Mafia Neighbors.

In my world, you are a negative utility PR, you contribute nothing. Neighbors are generally neither positive or negative utility, so the moderator then needs to add another role to the setup to balance it out. In this case, the role the mod adds is a Town Indecisive Doctor.

Negative utility PR means that they produce negative utility. In your theory, if the neighbours are both scum. He'd be a named townie. Not negative utility, you framing it this way is doing an injustice. Having a named townie in this setup so far makes zero sense from a setup speculation standpoint. Meaning there is at least one scum outside of the neighbourhood, which I already know to be the case so I'm just laying it out for your information. As a person that came in from a different perspective I feel my thoughts are valuable for y'all. You're also inherently biased against the neighbours (as either alignment) as you'd want in the neighbourhood and to do that one of us needs to die.

[AnimatedWiz]

Animated appears to be acting incredibly pro-town and for now at this point in the catch-up I'm inclined to believe them town. It could be because the lack of overall content that wolves are able to control the early game a lot more and they appear to know what they're doing so I am of course cautious but this is a great thing to keep in mind. I like them a lot.

I am flattered, but this is my first game ever, so I wouldn't say I fully know what I'm doing.

P.S. I appreciate the detailed catch-up thoughts—means we can get a sort of outsider look on what's been said here so far.

[JacksonVirgo]

Actually I'm starting to suspect Passenger.

VOTE: Passenger

What about them do you not like?

[JacksonVirgo]

WITH THAT SAID:

We are in a 9 player game. We have 2 dead VT’s and 2 VT claims.

4 VT’s is the minimum number of VT’s in a 9 player normal.

Thus, ZZZX and AnimatedWiz are completely clear.

At least one player has received the following role PM:
(edited out the villager rolecard)

This is inherently false.

[JacksonVirgo]

EBWOP: There is at least one scum in Blue/heiphi.

That's based on your own assumptions about the setup. Realistically there is a much higher chance (certainty from my own perspective) that there is at least one scum outside of the neighbourhood. I've said this before but I'm restating it now.

[JacksonVirgo]

Animated appears to be acting incredibly pro-town and for now at this point in the catch-up I'm inclined to believe them town. It could be because the lack of overall content that wolves are able to control the early game a lot more and they appear to know what they're doing so I am of course cautious but this is a great thing to keep in mind. I like them a lot.

I am flattered, but this is my first game ever, so I wouldn't say I fully know what I'm doing.

P.S. I appreciate the detailed catch-up thoughts—means we can get a sort of outsider look on what's been said here so far.

Oh actually? I noted you (in my head) of being the most experienced out of everybody except maybe Nurse. But you're definitely more articulate than Nurse (soz nurse, ily tho)

[JacksonVirgo]

Alright, fully caught up and I'm pretty sure this is wolf here.
VOTE: ZZZ

[TheHoldSteady]

Alright, fully caught up and I'm pretty sure this is wolf here.
VOTE: ZZZ

What do you think of Bluesnake? I noticed you slipped over them in your reads and tbh I'm completely torn on them I see some stuff that seems town some stuff that seems scum

[JacksonVirgo]

Alright, fully caught up and I'm pretty sure this is wolf here.
VOTE: ZZZ

What do you think of Bluesnake? I noticed you slipped over them in your reads and tbh I'm completely torn on them I see some stuff that seems town some stuff that seems scum

If I didn't talk about anybody, it's because I didn't see anything of theirs worth quoting. I think their post about "if I'm green do blah, if I'm red do blah" is slightly disingenuous or misguided. I'm not sure which it would be, I'm hoping to catch their thoughts directly when they're next on. What makes you personally torn from them? If you quote some stuff I can give you my direct thoughts.

[JacksonVirgo]

With only 10 pages, there isn't much on anybody really and the early hammer is actually pretty harmful to thread health (not saying RN is scum for it).

[JacksonVirgo]

Honestly, this is speculation but Passenger may be trying to get one of the neighbours out so they can't get red-checked by the TA

[JacksonVirgo]

I doubt they're not a backup neighbour. Claiming that is suicide in the lategame so regardless of alignment, that'd be their role. It's very much possible that the setup was designed for this type of interaction where the wolf backup wants to get rid of a neighbour fast before they get schmacked by the TA. Interesting thought experiment at the very least, would make sense why they'd go for both neighbours equally

[TheHoldSteady]

Oh, lovely—it’s now a game of chicken. I will say, at least the rainbow text is quite pretty.

Don't worry. Not_Mafia is already on the wagon. No one else would risk a premature hammer.

How about we do something fun?

VOTE: Nurse

This is E-2.

I invite someone else to put him in E-1.

If there is a premature hammer after that, the hammerer will be Tomorrow's execution.

VOTE: Heip

If this flips green, kill Passenger next.
If this flips red, kill me next.

so i'm seeing three times snake tried to encourage quick ends to the day, granted the first time he said he thought nobody would hammer but then he does it again, and again, the latter two times both trying to set up ready-made lims for the next day.

[TheHoldSteady]

59 once again i don't know why he's so bent on figuring everything out so early.