Open 883 - Swinger's Hall

[Ydrasse]

i think dann is towm

[Klick]

I don’t think it’s even scummy if it was not a real thought but you being so defensive and obfuscatey makes it seem like you are guilty!

I'm not convinced you think this actually correlates with my alignment over just not liking that I'm not answering your questions the way you'd like me to

[Klick]

i think dann is towm

This is the first read I posted in PT with RH9 lol

[Dannflor]

I don’t think it’s even scummy if it was not a real thought but you being so defensive and obfuscatey makes it seem like you are guilty!

I'm not convinced you think this actually correlates with my alignment over just not liking that I'm not answering your questions the way you'd like me to

i do tend to consider answering questions with questions as a scum tell but i don't think it's like a hard and fast slam dunk one

i haven't played with you extensively so it could also just be a playstyle thing too

but it is frustrating to me because it's hard to get a picture of where your head is at

[Dannflor]

do you think ari's reaction was scummy?

[Klick]

The reaction Ari's had to my posting has specifically not felt towny or scummy to me

But on a more meta level, I feel like that result is slightly scum-indicative

I have no towny feelings from Ari at this moment

[Klick]

i haven't played with you extensively so it could also just be a playstyle thing too

but it is frustrating to me because it's hard to get a picture of where your head is at

It is a playstyle thing

I'm not going to respond very clearly to immediate poking and prodding on thoughts that aren't really even fully formed in my own mind
But my thoughts will wind up being clear at the level you're wanting with some time and space

[Dannflor]

what do you mean by on a meta level

like you'd expect Ari to have a different reaction as town?

[Klick]

As a more general trend, I'd expect to be seeing less null content from town!Ari in this exchange and more content that I leaned one way on over another

This is a slight lean and more in inference territory and so I'm not hardcore defending it and am also not hugely interested in spending the next page discussing it in depth

[Infinity 324]

UNVOTE: i'm a sucker for "i have thoughts that i don't feel like sharing"

[SirCakez]

VOTE: aristeia
her posting doesn't feel natural

[RH9]

VOTE: aristeia
her posting doesn't feel natural

You could be right, actually.
VOTE: Ari

[Aristeia]

[Dannflor]

VOTE: yessiree

[Aristeia]

so here's some context people don't really know unless they know history between myself, klick and sircakez

a couple of months ago, all three of us played in a game together;

viewtopic.php?t=90287

where Klick(scum) did a tunnel on me and pushed me d1 nonstop - I ended up getting fustrated and replacing out but mostly because of some other things - it was a pretty successful tunnel and managed to cloud the game state pretty well on d1.

then a month later all three of us were playing in a different game together;

viewtopic.php?t=90425

and SirCakez(mafia) decided to also tunnel me on D1 - I thought he did it because he saw Klick do it fairly successfully so I interrogated him and ended up getting him yeeted after tracking him to a nightkill.

so SirCakez knows that I have a pretty sensitive trigger finger for when I sense someone pushing me in bad faith - esp Klick who has done it before decently.

So his read on me that I'm posting "unnaturally" when I interrogate Klick is pretty bizarre to me considering he's seen me do it to himself.

[Aristeia]

do you not have actual thoughts Klick

Here's an actual thought
You and I seem to actively clash playstyles consistently, at least early on

I don't think this comment actually makes sense if Klick thinks I'm mafia trying to misyeet him - it only makes sense if he thinks I'm town and he's trying to get me to back off.

I don't even think it's accurate because I remember I've worked together fairly well with Klick at least early in the game as our last two games together were;

viewtopic.php?t=90508

and

viewtopic.php?t=90425


We were Town/Town in both and I don't remember having any playstyle clashes with him early in the game so it's kind of a ?? defense to me.

[Dannflor]

VOTE: klick

[Infinity 324]

So his read on me that I'm posting "unnaturally" when I interrogate Klick is pretty bizarre to me considering he's seen me do it to himself.

this seems like a towny-biased post, i could definitely see it just feeling different to cakez but town is less likely to see that as a possibility

[Aristeia]

on a further note

I think it might make sense for us to use the mechanics of this game where instead of eliminating a player pair - we simply do not vote to eliminate and instead in the pairing part of the game we pair to make a double elimination desirable.

for example if I were to remain convinced Klick is mafia by the end of this phase - I would like to dance with him so I can yeet him myself and if he flips mafia I would like Cakez to follow next

[Aristeia]

like trading 1:1 town to mafia is pretty favorable since this is essentially a nightless mountainous game - it would also remove the issue of RH9 possibly being an innocent bystander in all of this as well as cover the downside possibility where Klick flips town and then I have to deal with the headache of "well did Ari!scum powerwolf the Klick elim which can be kind of fustrating.

Knowing the exact alignment splt of an early conflict is pretty useful for seeing how everyone else played around it.

[Aristeia]

So his read on me that I'm posting "unnaturally" when I interrogate Klick is pretty bizarre to me considering he's seen me do it to himself.

this seems like a towny-biased post, i could definitely see it just feeling different to cakez but town is less likely to see that as a possibility

I think Cakez has a pretty vivid memory of when I pushed him back when he decided to tunnel me on D1 since he made it pretty clear in the thread he found it painful so I don't see why he would forget the experience and believe my posting here is any different. It's such a nonspecific comment that I find it hard to believe as coming from a unagenda'd perspective.

[Aristeia]

UNVOTE:

[Doctor Drew]

I will say I am not used to all the effort from Ari.

Someone who is better at(and cared more about) mech, is it better to not lim someone here?

Isn't that not ever a good idea on D1?

[Dannflor]

i think if we don't vote to eliminate then we are going to have headaches finding mafia later

[Dannflor]

I would like to dance with him so I can yeet him myself and if he flips mafia I would like Cakez to follow next

why would klick ever agree to this