Open 883 - Swinger's Hall

[Klick]

Particularly when they aren't thoughts I actually care a lot about at this stage of the game

If you want those thoughts see 190

[Ydrasse]

That might be true for you but I feel like I'd just get a bunch of question marks and votes from enough people in the game to make it not worth

okay but there’s already a vocal portion of the game (maybe not majority but it feels like it to me) who want to kill you anyways so why not go for it?

[Ydrasse]

at what stage of the game do the reads become more like “real”?

[Ydrasse]

maybe that’s a poor word
meaningful

[Klick]

i have a tendency to think that people when they’re mafia wouldn’t do things that i think are bad or poor play like getting really flustered or giving weird answers to things that could be easily avoided but it’s often too much leeway and it backfires

This works in moderation, consider it one data point in a pool of stuff that will happen

I like Mafia as an exercise in understanding people

[Ydrasse]

boss is here zug zug time

[Klick]

That might be true for you but I feel like I'd just get a bunch of question marks and votes from enough people in the game to make it not worth

okay but there’s already a vocal portion of the game (maybe not majority but it feels like it to me) who want to kill you anyways so why not go for it?

It's too early to actually strongly feel that I'm scum instead of just being confused/annoyed

at what stage of the game do the reads become more like “real”?

Depends on the read really

The Micro Ari linked became real on like Page 3

A good judge of when I've become more serious personally is when I start posting more general reads/read lists/etc

[SirCakez]

Like Ari herself pointed out that when I pushed her recently it backfired terribly. Why would I immediately repeat the same mistake as scum? But she called me agendaed for it.

like are you actually making the case "hey i did this thing of shitpushing Ari as scum" and she absolutely murdered me for it.

thus i would not do it again because it ended so badly!

Also ari who has already experienced being shitpushed by me as scum on D1 has no reason to suspect I would do the same move again because it failed last time.

Like that's some pretty hideous logic.

if I know you have the capability of making a shitpush d1 as scum on me, you doing it again is the first thing I suspect because you've shown a capacity and preference for it in the past.

This doesn't make any sense. I'm not great at mafia but I'm not bad enough to the point where I'm going to repeat a tactic that failed like two months ago. Do you really think I came in here as scum with a game plan to immediately stir shit with you? What kind of plan would that be? What would my goal even be? We both know that I'm not going to be able to get anywhere close to elimming you by myself

I think you saw me at a number of votes, you thought it would be good to elim me, and then you decided to vote me and made up an excuse to do so.

I certainly do not believe you think my treatment of Klick is "unnatural" as you put it since you have literally seen me do it to you when scum!you shitpushed town me.

You are now using refuge in audacity as a defense by saying that pushing me is so dangerous that you wouldn't do it as scum.

This is a basic logical fallacy and an excuse used by scum players to justify shady looking votes with little to no reasoning.

Also it doesn't make sense for you to try to convince me that you're town who thinks I'm mafia as my plan is to flip myself and Klick on D1. If I'm scum as you claim to believe and I turn scum, I think you would hardly need to worry about the town listening to a flipped scum ari. Your attitude towards me can only make sense if you think I'm town.

you were at a "number of votes" on page two
where am i going to get the thought process that oh I can elim Ari here with these votes. that just is not going to happen.
im arguing with you because you're calling me scum for bad reasons. i don't really like taking that stuff sitting down.

[SirCakez]

I don't even have a take on Klicks push itself honestly, it seems pretty mid to me and it's not a factor in my read on Ari

ok so you think I'm mafia do you oppose me pairing with klick and flipping both of our slots then?

i'd be fine with this

[SirCakez]

cakez immediately coming to the defense of Klick just screams scum tactic strongarming the conflict and trying to take control of the narrative

i don't even have a take on klick right now, ftr and i'm down with ari's proposed plan to elim her and Klick

[SirCakez]

like i think cakez is rly weird

what does weird mean here?

[Alisae]

like i think cakez is rly weird

what does weird mean here?

you look like you're trying to control the agenda

[SirCakez]

how? I literally said Ari's Klick plan was good

[Klick]

Why do you think Ari's plan is good in reference to your reads on myself, Ari, and the rest of the game

[SirCakez]

The two most contested slots in the game atm will both die with Ari's plan. Seems like a no brainer to me.

[Ydrasse]

that’s
mmm

[Ydrasse]

cakez you really don’t have a take on klick : ?

[Aristeia]

you were at a "number of votes" on page two
where am i going to get the thought process that oh I can elim Ari here with these votes. that just is not going to happen.
im arguing with you because you're calling me scum for bad reasons. i don't really like taking that stuff sitting down.

1) you put me at e-2 so the idea that you didn't think it was possible to eliminate me is pretty much nonsense
2) if you think I'm mafia and I'm trying to get myself flipped why does it matter what I believe?

[Dannflor]

Klick why is RH9 90% town?

[Klick]

RH9 is actively not trying to persuade me that he is town in PT

The only two significant things I've gotten from RH9 in PT are a post mentioning that Dann is towny, and a post significantly later saying he... was all caught up with the thread. Nothing further in terms of reads or anything, just stating that he had read everything.

I found it very towny that he felt comfortable posting that he was caught up without any actual content to follow it up. I don't feel any intent to persuade or manipulate or convince that he's town.

[Alisae]

I wanted to sleep but 2 thoughts occurred to me
- I remember in 18 I played a dance game and I was mafia and town Lld and town raybells wanted to pair with each other just to leave.
By this logic, should I just townlock ari and Klick because Ari is literally suiciding herself to kill Klick?
- i also think mafia would really love it if Ari and Klick were both town and wanted to suicide themselves out of the game. It sure would make the game a whole lot easier for mafia if 2 strong villagers decided to walk out. If I was mafia and those 2 were eliminated out my life sure as hell gets a whole lot easier. I imagine Cakez must be thinking the same thing?

[Klick]

I'll openly make extra clear that I am very against Ari and I pairing and suiciding because I think Ari is town

[Dannflor]

I'm all for a "town decides on a double elimination" but I don't really think it should be Klick and Ari

[Dannflor]

cakez and someone, maybe

[Alisae]

Ideally cakez and drew would be forced to pair together