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Post Post #2200 (ISO) » Thu Sep 14, 2023 10:39 pm

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iavh wagon disappearing despite them doing nothing to change perception of them? uhhh ok
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Post Post #2201 (ISO) » Thu Sep 14, 2023 10:42 pm

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In post 2196, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 2191, Klazam wrote: *skim skim*

Meh im not entirely sold on the zzzx thing. The selfvote annoys me, but i dont think its alignment indicative. I do feel a bit off at a few of these posts.

Guess i wont be upset about zx being gone, but I wanna ask one thing -

Why are we NOT elimming TL?

From following along on the past few days, TL is the person who keeps on pinging my scumdar. Sure there's no votes on TL, meaning probably not a viable wagon at this point

VOTE: TemporalLich Just for the record

But still, this feels like scum.
youre too late.

BBm and I were voting them for a while and people hard defended them, but they possibly slipped that ZZZx/Psyche were their partners, so zzzx is fine.
where did they slip their partners?
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Post Post #2202 (ISO) » Thu Sep 14, 2023 10:45 pm

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Does ZZZX have a history of self-voting as Town?
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Post Post #2203 (ISO) » Thu Sep 14, 2023 10:45 pm

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does anyone have something against ivah beyond active lurking? with 4 days left that's maybe ok but i'm wondering
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Post Post #2204 (ISO) » Thu Sep 14, 2023 10:46 pm

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oh its the readslist they gave that omitted both zzzx and psyche lol. followed by an immediate psyche > zzzx vote like "guys look i promise i'm not aligned with them"
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Post Post #2205 (ISO) » Thu Sep 14, 2023 10:47 pm

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In post 2203, Psyche wrote: does anyone have something against ivah beyond active lurking? with 4 days left that's maybe ok but i'm wondering
Yes.
In post 1811, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 1810, the worst wrote: like i am not joking please teach me your magic. how do you have an opinion.
The timing of everything, the intent behind their posts read to me as both acting in self preservation in an unnatural way, blame shifting, hiding behind other people etc. All which I would accredit to being scummy.
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Post Post #2206 (ISO) » Thu Sep 14, 2023 10:47 pm

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I don't really think self voting is that ai for him:
In post 126, ZZZX wrote:
In post 124, Thor665 wrote:Define 'basically save'.

If it is 'would get me town read for multiple days' then the answer is 'yes, I would do it'.
If the answer is 'would get me to the next day phase and an uncertain future' than I would try to save myself in other ways.
Basically its a day one wagon and people are scum reading you for shitty reasons

so yea the former if done prob.

I know it saved me twice (one of them was as scum thou, But I do it as scum if I know there are not many players than can read throu me there)

but I dont do it often and its like yea it wont help most of the time
He definitely does self vote as town too, but I found games where he does it as scum

Just read him based on other things
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Post Post #2207 (ISO) » Thu Sep 14, 2023 10:48 pm

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In post 2193, Psyche wrote: small dig into zzzx's meta around self-votes indicates plenty readiness to self-vote as town based on similar reasoning to the above, but also as scum presumably to deny information. so in isolation the self vote is NAI. coooool
Ah, so he does this as either alignment?

Debating if I should call his bluff and vote him.

In fact, I will.

VOTE: ZZZX
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Post Post #2208 (ISO) » Thu Sep 14, 2023 10:48 pm

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This being a multiball game does it feel like there's really any resistance on this wagon?
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Post Post #2209 (ISO) » Thu Sep 14, 2023 10:50 pm

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In post 2203, Psyche wrote: does anyone have something against ivah beyond active lurking? with 4 days left that's maybe ok but i'm wondering
Their scummy pop in and waffling on me into a challenge gave a very scummy energy, in addition the counterwagon that went onto ZZZx felt very scum motivated.

I think IAVH/ZZZx are countering scum wagons.
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Post Post #2210 (ISO) » Thu Sep 14, 2023 10:50 pm

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In post 2208, Random Nurse wrote: This being a multiball game does it feel like there's really any resistance on this wagon?
this wagon has been trying to gain traction for a few days now. it was the counter to iavh.
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Post Post #2211 (ISO) » Thu Sep 14, 2023 10:51 pm

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In post 2206, Cat Scratch Fever wrote: I don't really think self voting is that ai for him:
In post 126, ZZZX wrote:
In post 124, Thor665 wrote:Define 'basically save'.

If it is 'would get me town read for multiple days' then the answer is 'yes, I would do it'.
If the answer is 'would get me to the next day phase and an uncertain future' than I would try to save myself in other ways.
Basically its a day one wagon and people are scum reading you for shitty reasons

so yea the former if done prob.

I know it saved me twice (one of them was as scum thou, But I do it as scum if I know there are not many players than can read throu me there)

but I dont do it often and its like yea it wont help most of the time
He definitely does self vote as town too, but I found games where he does it as scum

Just read him based on other things
i did miss this post. im glad you singled it out. it's more useful than simple tabulation. i guess i have to throw up my hands.
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Post Post #2212 (ISO) » Thu Sep 14, 2023 10:53 pm

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gonna say this as it is worth saying maybe: ZZZX is currently at E-3
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Post Post #2213 (ISO) » Thu Sep 14, 2023 10:55 pm

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VOTE: zzzx

E-2 now, let's get a flip
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Post Post #2214 (ISO) » Thu Sep 14, 2023 10:58 pm

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In post 2189, Psyche wrote:
In post 2183, ZZZX wrote:
In post 2174, Psyche wrote: is it common for people to believe that these "last will and testament" posts are ever influential after the player making them dies
Well, whether people follow it or not, I like to believe I did my due diligence, such as that if the game is lost because everyone sheeped those who I said are mafia, I can have that bit of self satisfaction that I
told you so
i don't know how you can think you did your due diligence while going out of your way to facilitate a supposed mislim
even re: self-satisfaction, can't imagine that your self satisfaction in this scenario would not be better maximized if you were limmed with your vote actually on scum
but all this is beside the question of whether you're actually town i guess
zzzzzzz
Look, I am not great at defending myself,
especially
if there is nothing to defend myself from, and knowing that I have no influence over the game, I do this when it needs to be done.

Either I:

a- Survive

b- I get Elim'd, and maybe it changes one person's mind when they see me flip town, to start voting one of the people I said to vote. That one vote is one more than none.

I am not the best at scum hunting, nor am I the best at just manipulation or whatnot, What I
am
good at, is taking a shot, gambiting it all, and enjoying the showing
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Post Post #2215 (ISO) » Thu Sep 14, 2023 10:58 pm

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In post 2190, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
In post 2183, ZZZX wrote:
In post 2174, Psyche wrote: is it common for people to believe that these "last will and testament" posts are ever influential after the player making them dies
Well, whether people follow it or not, I like to believe I did my due diligence, such as that if the game is lost because everyone sheeped those who I said are mafia, I can have that bit of self satisfaction that I
told you so
What do you think of hu tao
I can't remember, let me ISO them real fast
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Post Post #2216 (ISO) » Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:00 pm

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In post 1633, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 1622, furtiveglance wrote:
In post 1619, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 1563, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 1552, T3 wrote: iamveryhappy (6): Shrek, furtiveglance, JacksonVirgo, Flavor Leaf, TemporalLich, pisskop
ZZZX (5): Save the Dragons, Naerys, Cat Scratch Fever, the worst, Hu Tao
here's the thing, i like STD going here, Naerys makes sense based on them wanting to go on early Flavor voters, the other 3 look like they're taking advantage of that and have higher equity of trying to save Iamvh.

I don't think all 3 are scum, but I could see Hu Tao as one scum, and then CSF or the W as another trying to save partner iamvh.
In a game this size, is it optimal to try and save your partner early? Seems not worth being tied to them. I could be wrong though, my first game of this size
Yeah. It's worth remembering as well that scum can be voting the other scumteam.
WAIT THERE ARE TWO SCUM TEAMS IN THIS......OMG This game just became so much more interesting to me.
This message is interesting, but other than that, I don't have any hard feelings about Hu Tao, nothing of interest there, If I had a gun on my head and had to pick, I'd say its more likely to be town, but its basically null
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Post Post #2217 (ISO) » Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:00 pm

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In post 2213, Cat Scratch Fever wrote: VOTE: zzzx

E-2 now, let's get a flip
In a bit of a rush are we? ;)
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Post Post #2218 (ISO) » Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:01 pm

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In post 2217, ZZZX wrote:
In post 2213, Cat Scratch Fever wrote: VOTE: zzzx

E-2 now, let's get a flip
In a bit of a rush are we? ;)
VOTE: ZZZ

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Post Post #2219 (ISO) » Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:02 pm

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Hammer it
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Post Post #2220 (ISO) » Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:02 pm

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In post 2207, Random Nurse wrote:
In post 2193, Psyche wrote: small dig into zzzx's meta around self-votes indicates plenty readiness to self-vote as town based on similar reasoning to the above, but also as scum presumably to deny information. so in isolation the self vote is NAI. coooool
Ah, so he does this as either alignment?

Debating if I should call his bluff and vote him.

In fact, I will.

VOTE: ZZZX
Not often, nor common. But I am willing to pull the trigger regardless. I hate clear meta tells or people who make it easy, I find it anti-fun.

So yes, self voting is NAI

Just be sure to take responsibility, because I know there is a 75% chance that people I put the ight on (cough cough Flavor) will just go like "Oh no! Anyway" and try to reason why information from a confirmed flipped town has no value. Been there, seen it :)
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Post Post #2221 (ISO) » Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:03 pm

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Hammer me, Elim Flavor tomorrow, and once he flips scum, Elim the people trying to speed run the wagon ;)

My self vote isn't moving. Try me
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Post Post #2222 (ISO) » Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:03 pm

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im obv town even if you flip town, and in the dead thread, you'll see that.
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Post Post #2223 (ISO) » Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:04 pm

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In post 2222, Flavor Leaf wrote: im obv town even if you flip town, and in the dead thread, you'll see that.
Sure you are
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Post Post #2224 (ISO) » Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:04 pm

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I voted there for the lolz. I'm staying cuz I feel this is faked bravado
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