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Post Post #2275 (ISO) » Fri Sep 15, 2023 4:09 am

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In post 2240, JacksonVirgo wrote: UNVOTE:
You got on and off me really quicky, I assume its because of the actual threat to hammer that was told to be written out, interesting I suppose
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Post Post #2276 (ISO) » Fri Sep 15, 2023 4:13 am

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In post 2245, furtiveglance wrote:
In post 979, ZZZX wrote:
In post 971, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 964, ZZZX wrote:
In post 962, Flavor Leaf wrote: in fact, I don't think I've gotten free town read at all this game.

The town reads I've gotten, I've earned through interacting with players and showing my thought process on different slots throughout the day.

In addition to this, I already had ZZZx in my lower tiers of reads, and weakening my spot makes a lot of sense from a scum ZZZx pov.
Ok, If you know me, you know there is one thing I scum hunt with, and one thing I hate more than everything,


Bullshit.


And this post, smells very very badly of that.

I don't particularly care if you scum read me or not, but if you are town, then show me your thought process here, or I am starting to believe this is indeed scum Flavor.

like this all just looks like false bravado.

I have been showing thought process.

It does look like you care if you are scum read.

And it looks like youre trying to threaten now because I'm putting pressure on you.
I have put my point, very,
VERY
clearly.

And you keep evading it, and talking about false bravado, when you know me and how I play, in an attempt to discredit me.

I am
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VOTE: Flavor

p-edit I will reply in a seperate post
It kind of looks like the mutual scumreads here came about as a result of escalating measures, like reciprocally calling each other more and more scum. Could very well be T/T.
I can buy the early disagreement being a result of escalating measures,

I am not sure if I can buy the fact that now, he says its been the case since earlier, yet if our arguement, u hear him say how he is just pressuring, with no mention of iavh, which only comes out now (somehow)?, Where he earlier ends the arguement not even fully considering me as scum or whatnot, but then 2 days later after I go alone, it magically all turns.

That's why I have a strong read there now.
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Post Post #2277 (ISO) » Fri Sep 15, 2023 4:13 am

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In post 2251, furtiveglance wrote: The other reason I want to extend this day is because I want to dump a massive readslist into the thread
Go for it, I bought you more enough with my unvote ;)
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Post Post #2278 (ISO) » Fri Sep 15, 2023 4:13 am

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In post 2275, ZZZX wrote:
In post 2240, JacksonVirgo wrote: UNVOTE:
You got on and off me really quicky, I assume its because of the actual threat to hammer that was told to be written out, interesting I suppose
Nah lowkey wanted to bait Psyche to vote so i can hammer
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Post Post #2279 (ISO) » Fri Sep 15, 2023 4:14 am

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In post 2259, Save The Dragons wrote: ^ this person is awesome and knows what they're talking about
I read them as town thou, why are they scum?
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Post Post #2280 (ISO) » Fri Sep 15, 2023 4:14 am

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In post 2278, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 2275, ZZZX wrote:
In post 2240, JacksonVirgo wrote: UNVOTE:
You got on and off me really quicky, I assume its because of the actual threat to hammer that was told to be written out, interesting I suppose
Nah lowkey wanted to bait Psyche to vote so i can hammer
I respect that
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Post Post #2281 (ISO) » Fri Sep 15, 2023 4:16 am

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In post 2265, camelCasedSnivy wrote: can someone please tell me why i should go on zzzx :sob:
Happy Scumday!

Thats the fun part, you
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, yet you(or others) might anyway because its the cool thing nowadays
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Post Post #2282 (ISO) » Fri Sep 15, 2023 4:16 am

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That being said

VOTE: Psyche

Working so not really super invested yet
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Post Post #2283 (ISO) » Fri Sep 15, 2023 4:16 am

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In post 2266, Psyche wrote: wow three votes on cat. idk i found that one meta post re: zzzx pretty telling
I am curious now, wasn't the conclusion that was my meta approach a bit NAI? Or do you see it elsehow?
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Post Post #2284 (ISO) » Fri Sep 15, 2023 4:18 am

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In post 2268, pisskop wrote: was just boiler plate self voting.

I dont TR the slot, and I mean yeah he was on v/la the last few days, but he wasnt so out there that he couldnt come and give us a speech about bravado.
Well despite popular opinions, I do enjoy not getting blown to pieces, as both alignments
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Post Post #2285 (ISO) » Fri Sep 15, 2023 4:21 am

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In post 2270, Naerys wrote:
In post 2187, Random Nurse wrote: As I understand it Scum would vote themselves to deny Town information. They can do it sooner than L-1 if they think their demise is evident.
ZZZX´s demise isnt evident tho. He should try harder to change our minds.

Change your minds
how
?

Half the reason I am self voting, which one of the players here (i forgot) even indirectly showed in my own post NINE YEARS AGO, is that THERE IS NO CASE ON ME. NONE. NADA. Self voting is not logical, but when the entire game is not built on logic anymore, you sometimes have to take action, for better or for worse.

I went through the last few pages until my patience ran out, and I couldn't see anything remotely logical, it is a fake jury where the crime and defence doesn't matter, a theatrical at play, I am not participating in the clownfest, and simply saying,
No.


Unless you have something you want to share as something I should change your mind in, I am not participating in a theatrical with no purpose.
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Post Post #2286 (ISO) » Fri Sep 15, 2023 4:22 am

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In post 2271, pisskop wrote: I think his townreads were the most meaty part of his ISO

TR on random and furtive

P: It's a joke. But, it is a good question; why do you feel better not voting than voting right now?
I will have to admit my slots content is kinda trash

I am not good in reading large games normally, and less good when I spend half of that arguing with one person who tried to make up shit that I 'did', and the other half busy irl.
shrug
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Post Post #2287 (ISO) » Fri Sep 15, 2023 4:24 am

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In post 1502, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
In post 1492, Cat Scratch Fever wrote: VOTE: ZZZX
About this vote:
In post 934, ZZZX wrote: Just ISO'd bbmolla, nothing really worth noting.
his push on FL seems fair
, I personally think FL seems more townish, but to be honest its a purely gut read, and I am more suspect of people hard town reading him already at that point.
When reading through, this jumped out. BBmolla's "push" on FL is really no more than a policy lim to eliminate the player that is hardest to read. Then when asked what made the push fair, ZZZX says it's fair because it could be a gutread, but it's unclear how that would make it "fair" or even a believable scumread. I also feel like he's hiding behind his BBmolla nullread a little bit to try and handwave away the sloppiness of this statement in
I was curious about the start of the wagon, and it is also about the bbmola's null read?

Did I miss something, or have I become inept at mafia in the last 4 years not playing that I do not see what the fuck those people are getting at? Lol

It is a bit ridiculous innit
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Post Post #2288 (ISO) » Fri Sep 15, 2023 4:26 am

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wanna scratch the cat w/me?
beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
Almost50 pisskop: Overall, that's a townie slot. Don't ask for specifics because with PK everything can be interpreted either way. It's probably WHEN he says/does things that matter, so it's more of a matter of conception rather than solid reasoning.
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Post Post #2289 (ISO) » Fri Sep 15, 2023 4:28 am

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In post 2288, pisskop wrote: wanna scratch the cat w/me?
Well, I am going through their ISO's right now, I did miss a lot in the game,

but yes, I might be intending to, and maybe you can make my life easier and sell me on it
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Post Post #2290 (ISO) » Fri Sep 15, 2023 4:28 am

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VOTE: CSF

if there's no traction on IAVH or the 'scumslipped team' this seems fine enough for pressure
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Post Post #2291 (ISO) » Fri Sep 15, 2023 4:29 am

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It's a lynch we all can agree on, and if we run up 2 wagons we can force people to take sides.

Cat's reads just seem weird. I'd like to see them get in somebody's face
beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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Post Post #2292 (ISO) » Fri Sep 15, 2023 4:32 am

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In post 1352, Skygazer wrote: Please note that the use of the word "lynch" is not allowed on this website.
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Post Post #2293 (ISO) » Fri Sep 15, 2023 4:32 am

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shyte. sorry
beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
Almost50 pisskop: Overall, that's a townie slot. Don't ask for specifics because with PK everything can be interpreted either way. It's probably WHEN he says/does things that matter, so it's more of a matter of conception rather than solid reasoning.
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Post Post #2294 (ISO) » Fri Sep 15, 2023 4:33 am

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VOTE: iavh
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Post Post #2295 (ISO) » Fri Sep 15, 2023 4:34 am

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In post 2290, Shrek wrote: VOTE: CSF

if there's no traction on IAVH or the 'scumslipped team' this seems fine enough for pressure
What do you mean vote for pressure

I've given lots of reads, do you have thoughts on any of them
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Post Post #2296 (ISO) » Fri Sep 15, 2023 4:35 am

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In post 2291, pisskop wrote: It's a lynch we all can agree on, and if we run up 2 wagons we can force people to take sides.

Cat's reads just seem weird. I'd like to see them get in somebody's face
Have you seen my posts on hu tao

Are they disappearing into the nether bc they won't get traction for some reason
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Post Post #2297 (ISO) » Fri Sep 15, 2023 4:38 am

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In post 1502, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
In post 1492, Cat Scratch Fever wrote: VOTE: ZZZX
About this vote:
In post 934, ZZZX wrote: Just ISO'd bbmolla, nothing really worth noting.
his push on FL seems fair
, I personally think FL seems more townish, but to be honest its a purely gut read, and I am more suspect of people hard town reading him already at that point.
When reading through, this jumped out. BBmolla's "push" on FL is really no more than a policy lim to eliminate the player that is hardest to read. Then when asked what made the push fair, ZZZX says it's fair because it could be a gutread, but it's unclear how that would make it "fair" or even a believable scumread. I also feel like he's hiding behind his BBmolla nullread a little bit to try and handwave away the sloppiness of this statement in
I find it interesting that Cat 'caught up', yet still voted me based on me thinking BBMollas vote in RVS essentially is fine, or the fact that they had someone else as their strongest scum-read but still voted me, interesting but not clear
In post 1831, Cat Scratch Fever wrote: Zzz typed up a phone post then lost it

I don't think people interrogate their scumreads the same way. However I do think I wouldn't have asked the questions in or if JV weren't a scumread

For , the first half of that is stuff that I think JV is doing if they are scum. I can see world's where that's not the case & JV truly mindmelded with flavor a lot, partly because there are a lot of people floating by this game & I wouldn't be super surprised if they flipped scum and the more active folks are town.

I caught up on the game to get baseline reads but forming more accurate reads usually involves seeing people post in real time
This I am curious about, between Cat's first post and this post, I have been on VLA, with no posts in between, in fact if I am not mistake, I went on VLA before their first post in the game, and I opened the context of that post and I didnt see anything, so I am happy to hear Cat's thoughts on this?
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Post Post #2298 (ISO) » Fri Sep 15, 2023 4:38 am

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In post 2293, pisskop wrote: shyte. sorry
Been there :') I have to re-read each post of mine three times nowadays

And it still slips. Old habits i guess
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Post Post #2299 (ISO) » Fri Sep 15, 2023 4:39 am

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In post 2206, Cat Scratch Fever wrote: I don't really think self voting is that ai for him:
In post 126, ZZZX wrote:
In post 124, Thor665 wrote:Define 'basically save'.

If it is 'would get me town read for multiple days' then the answer is 'yes, I would do it'.
If the answer is 'would get me to the next day phase and an uncertain future' than I would try to save myself in other ways.
Basically its a day one wagon and people are scum reading you for shitty reasons

so yea the former if done prob.

I know it saved me twice (one of them was as scum thou, But I do it as scum if I know there are not many players than can read throu me there)

but I dont do it often and its like yea it wont help most of the time
He definitely does self vote as town too, but I found games where he does it as scum

Just read him based on other things
i think it's much less likely that scum finds this one zzzx post in his meta and volunteers it
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