In post 2396, Aisa wrote:
Meh
I think ZZZX's reaction is a little towny but I don't like the part where I have to figure out a new wagon
How's everyone else doing
based on what other than emotion?
omg I don't remember I'm gonna have to do a reread real quick :')
In post 2395, Psyche wrote:
but like. it's so helpful. it's a helpful post. could scum! make a helpful post?
ah forget it i know scum can make helpful posts. i suppose it would be more interesting if the post were substantiating a zzzx townread but this is in the opposite direction
I mean presumably someone else would have done it anyway, maybe whoever asked in the first place
so ive been sitting on the question but despite cat's find, i still think zzzx's self vote thing here looks a lot like the times the slot has navigated self-voting in previous games as town.
to be more specific, zzzx has a way of bargaining with his self-vote as town that i never found an example of him doing as scum. it's definitely well-supported that zzzx can tactically self-vote as scum, but i don't think this case fits his scum MO.
this is really inconvenient but i feel ive gotta oppose his lim today.
In post 2303, shaddowez wrote:
Did an FL/ZZZX ISO, and tried processing through all the noise. My ZZZX SR was based on early posts, and not something I had gone back to revisit in a while. Rereading, the push looks really thin and I'm REALLY not liking
the worst
's positioning and vote, though I'm trying not to tunnel. Still working through things, gonna check out IAVH next because I owe that a read.
can you summarize what you're feeling on worst in specific because we might share the same opinion here
Heading to lunch, will answer this when I get back though
They're not really voicing their opinions on anything. They ask a lot of questions, specifically regarding peoples reads. On the surface, that sounds towny insomuch as it
looks
like they're scumhunting, trying to derive whether the person they're asking questions of had reasons or whatnot. The problem is they don't ever seem to actually do anything with that info, outside of occasionally a reply post.
None of their votes have had any reasoning behind them (as in, they hadn't expressed any interest in voting prior to doing so), and with the exception of their very first (RVS) vote they've just sheeped early on.
So now that I've gone and done this again, I still don't like Snivy but feel like this is a good place to push.
VOTE: the worst
this is just intuition, but i think the worst is just sort of a diffident player and would make more of an effort to not seem so diffident as scum.
furthermore, not being so diffident would help the slot as scum in a lot of concrete ways. for example, tw could probably join the zzzx wagon really safely.
oh the worst is on the zzzx wagon
so tw's vote on zzzx is naked and sustained enough that the diffidence narrative i was building up isn't quite robust. i'd ideally see their reaction to the current gamestate before committing to a read one way or another
In post 2396, Aisa wrote:
Meh
I think ZZZX's reaction is a little towny but I don't like the part where I have to figure out a new wagon
How's everyone else doing
based on what other than emotion?
omg I don't remember I'm gonna have to do a reread real quick :')
Rereading the ISO I'm more uncertain
I'm tempted to townread them for statements like these:
In post 2306, ZZZX wrote:
Out of everything to say I am making up, I just feel that's like, something so ridiculious insignificant, not even meant to give me any credits (Am I trying to get more town credit by adding those three lines?) And I don't see any intent as scum to explain that. And people somehow get mixed up on how to explain that one line that they made up tens of reason to suspect me for it, I made it up, I am defending bbMolla (somehow?), I am trying to detract from Flavor's reads, and a few others.
It feels like there might be genuine indignation here.
This said I now think their pushes look really scummy:
Also, can more people unvote, I don't want to end the day yet (even though ZZX has kind of sealed their fate with the vanilla claim).
FL went from a strong town read, with a scum read on Flavor, then, while I am on V/LA, magically jumps on my wagon right after Flavor, their entire exchange was also weird when I was having my FL arguement saga
Also, if a vanilla claim si all that's needed to seal someone's fate, well, lets just say that people might be worse at this than I imagined.
Lets keep reading, a lot of exciting posts to comment on
(Does ZZZX mean TL rather than FL here? Too lazy to check before submitting but it doesn't really affect my opinion on the scumminess of the push tbh)
Granted I never like it when people make the "suspicious timing" case, but this is just an incredibly easy scumread to fake
Maybe my vote can stay
beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop. Almost50 pisskop: Overall, that's a townie slot. Don't ask for specifics because with PK everything can be interpreted either way. It's probably WHEN he says/does things that matter, so it's more of a matter of conception rather than solid reasoning.
no I thought IAVH claimed too though, but didnt see anything with crtl+f
beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop. Almost50 pisskop: Overall, that's a townie slot. Don't ask for specifics because with PK everything can be interpreted either way. It's probably WHEN he says/does things that matter, so it's more of a matter of conception rather than solid reasoning.
beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop. Almost50 pisskop: Overall, that's a townie slot. Don't ask for specifics because with PK everything can be interpreted either way. It's probably WHEN he says/does things that matter, so it's more of a matter of conception rather than solid reasoning.
. I don't care about pressure, you already failed at responding what I was asking you when I was giving you the light of day to explain yourself. But even if I was doing this primarily to put pressure on you, why is backing out ever the solution?
I've read all of page 17. I'm currently wishing that someone would ask JV about the apparent contradiction here but no one's asked yet.
And on that note I'm out for the night.
It’s only a contradiction if Town was not allowed to progress and change their reads. But we are allowed to, so it isn’t
Hey JV it seems like you're around so this seems like the ideal time to do some shameless self promotion and bump my question!
Yeah, I agree Town are allowed to change their reads. Which is why I said "apparent" contradiction, there can be reasons why it's not an actual contradiction.
Anyway, I've now read up to page 25 and I haven't seen you explicitly say what made you change your mind between 310 and 368. Do you remember, and, if so, care to share?
. I don't care about pressure, you already failed at responding what I was asking you when I was giving you the light of day to explain yourself. But even if I was doing this primarily to put pressure on you, why is backing out ever the solution?
I've read all of page 17. I'm currently wishing that someone would ask JV about the apparent contradiction here but no one's asked yet.
And on that note I'm out for the night.
It’s only a contradiction if Town was not allowed to progress and change their reads. But we are allowed to, so it isn’t
Yeah, I agree Town are allowed to change their reads. Which is why I said "apparent" contradiction, there can be reasons why it's not an actual contradiction.
Anyway, I've now read up to page 25 and I haven't seen you explicitly say what made you change your mind between 310 and 368. Do you remember, and, if so, care to share?
Hey JV it seems like you're around so this seems like the ideal time to do some shameless self promotion and bump my question!
(sorry I messed up the quotes in the previous one)
beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop. Almost50 pisskop: Overall, that's a townie slot. Don't ask for specifics because with PK everything can be interpreted either way. It's probably WHEN he says/does things that matter, so it's more of a matter of conception rather than solid reasoning.
