Micro 1091 - Prism v. 1L Year [Game Over]

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I just don't get why you're like, deferring to Cakez so much, and reassuring him that if you lose then it's fine

it feels like you want him to vote Meuh before you do

if I wanted him to vote Meuh I wouldn't be telling him I am worried it's Dunnstral/GL

[GuiltyLion]

but if you are worried it's Dunn/GL why post 1736

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if Cakes votes Dunnstral that's a hammer.

if Cakes votes Meuh, I'm always siding with Cakes/Dunn over GL/Meuh if the game doesnt end with GL switch-hammering Meuh

I am defering to him because he's the decision maker in our relationship in this game.

I am relaying my concerns about GL/Dunnstral being the team to him because I am worried about your slot

if he ultimately decides to lock in dunn as town and votes meuh - thats his decision and I'm fine with it.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

but if you are worried it's Dunn/GL why post 1736

because I am not sure either and I don't want to stress him out

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

also if he votes meuh doesnt that confirm me as town

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

cuz it'd be 2 votes on dunn 2 votes on meuh and i'd be hammer so theres no way i can be scum

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i dunno cakez maybe wait for crouching tiger over here to go afk b4 u vote meuh so we can confirm me without risking a hammer if he's mafia with dunnstral

[SirCakez]

it wouldnt be a hammer king

I'm assuming you would vote there if we go for it

[SirCakez]

Cakez what about them was unconvincing??

or like, is there some specific reason you're seeing me as scum besides believing Dunn's claim / POE?

Pooky is right that your progressions today don't feel real. I think he's dead on that you're stuck right now.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

im not going to lie im really worried meuh is just afk town

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

would be the cherry on top of RH9/Alisae self voting shenanigans

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

but im not going to reward her afking and ditching us with a townread that goes against every law of bear and man

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i would be lying if I said I wasnt tempted to hammer dunn but like if i lose to meuh scum for her deciding to not play the game I dont think i can live it down

[Meuh]

Hello yes I'm here

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

have to wear a paper bag over my head or go into retirement like my cat

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Hello yes I'm here

r u planning on doing anything

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

do you still think i'm mafia with dunnstral

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

what even are your thoughts right now

[Meuh]

I've read the posting around it but I don't feel like I've digested it super well
Rep out looks bad but I still think a lot of RH9's posting was good and it felt like our thoughts clicked quite a bit, but I may be overestimating that mindmeld
I don't really feel like my input would actually change whether RH9 gets hammered or not (and it seems like the lack thereof got Dunn to vote for me, which is more than me commenting on it would've done )
I instinctively felt the urge to rush to comment but I realized my take on RH9 didn't actually merit urgency so I just didn't, would it really have done much? Maybe I'm disillusioned for no good reason, meh

Dunn is never happening either way

, maybe I could make some cool case for GL being scum but I don't have the confidence or the energy in that read to build a real case right now. and I'm too murky on RH9 to provide meaningful insight either

weird thing to say about the person you're most sure is scum

I feel like I've already addressed this, haven't I?

Spoiler:

Quietly hoping that the wagon will lose steam on its own is not all that uncommon for scum to do imo.

as a general rule I disagree with this because I think scum usually feel pressured to Have a Stance on their partner as they understand people are gonna be going back and looking at people's reads on the flipped scum. if Meuh is doing buddies with RH9 here she was keeping him in a very null-y tier:

I think Pooky flips scum more than RH9 at this point, but I probably should give a closer look to his ISO.

Dunn > GL > Pooky > RH9 > Cakez > Lukewarm
My lim preference at the moment

I guess it's possible she's just trying to coast and skate by without a firm read on her buddy but I am not sensing a real agenda positioning around an upcoming incriminating flip. she was advocating (somewhat strongly) that Dunn/I were the scum team and in the RH9/Meuh world that theory would be immediately dead when either of us green flipped.

I think the Meuh/Dunn interactions are much more likely to be S-S given how decisively Meuh was pushing Dunn earlier yet how much that's tapered off (despite her still claiming to scumread him).

and if Dunn is scum then chaining me to him makes sense too

What am I supposed to do??? Push Dunn and scream into the void about how he’s scum? People pretty clearly weren’t interested in doing Dunn, I’d still adore it but I also don’t wanna waste my time pushing for Dunn when no one else wants it to happen

Like Lukewarm disagreed with me on Dunn, I didn’t find the counter-point compelling but my response to it didn’t change his mind, and he seems to think Cakez is more likely to flip scum here?
Cakez has just been sitting there saying the PR claims are good
Pooky was actually shading Dunn and saying his claim was the most likely to be fake and then just went “oh actually I believe in all the PR claims ”
RH9 seemed willing to believe Dunn could be scum but his reads were super fickle and he didn’t have a strong view on Dunn
Pretty sure you’re the only one who was like “yeah, scum definitely flips in the PRs” but weren’t you pushing that Cakez was scum?
Where’s the wagon? What would be the point of me pushing for Dunn being scum?? Especially since a lot of people are clearing him on mech, which is a lot harder to actually convince someone they’re wrong on (tracker/rb/doc would be very unbalanced here but obviously some people disagree)

Yeah I already did, and it was directly in response to you

[Meuh]

do you still think i'm mafia with dunnstral

Yeah, but I can't say I'm super wowed by GL's content and I'm getting a bit of paranoia there and I don't despise your more recent posting (it did feel like GL was trying to solve more than you on day 2, though)
I guess I don't necessarily need to find Dunn's partner rn but understanding what exactly's going on would help

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

meuh cakes has said he will vote you soon

regardless of who you think is mafia between me and guiltylion, you dont think cakes/dunn is a viable team so cakes voting you if you're town is the end of the game if you are town.

so i dont understand why you seem to be ok with it and you are not trying in any way to convince cakes that you are town.

[Meuh]

I have no clue how to feel about GL's vote
Cause it felt kinda odd for him to just plop that vote there without major warning, but also the odds of me/Cakez or me/Pooky being the team I think generally looked low, so it makes sense
It makes Dunn more likely to die, which also isn't really necessary cause GL can just try to make me die today
The negative reaction to 1737 might've been a scum!GL who was betting on Cakez/Pooky mislimming me and who's annoyed it might not happen, especially after he's placed his vote on Dunn? In a way, his vote on me could be his means of soothing Cakez/Pooky that the team was me/GL and taking advantage of my assertion that he was town. If he sees Cakez/Pooky's vote as linked, then in theory he should just play in a way that maximizes his chances of getting me mislimmed, and voting Dunn might do that? (and unpair them to some extent idk)
It's confusing

Pedit: Cakez is convinced that Dunn is town, Dunn town means I'm always scum
I guess he showed more willingness to believe Dunn is scum recently though I think?
Cakez has just been so out of line with my own perspective of the game that I'm not even sure how to reconcile our perspectives
I guess I could towncase myself but I also haven't been particularly paying attention to what makes me town here (cause yknow, I'm not reading myself)

[Meuh]

Maybe it is just GL/Dunn and I was on the nose yesterday

[Meuh]

Napkin thoughts: Millers town, catboi town, Bell town

Mafia within: elle (1L), Ydrasse, SirCakez, Guiltylion


This is a lot faster than I usually analyze things, but I already feel like I have things to read rather than the game being banter as it usually feels like.

in theory scum!pooky could have been informed there was a miller and cleverly asked prism for a miller fake claim during pregame to orchestrate as well

this post feels off to me, it's giving me vibes of speculating about something that you know didn't happen
VOTE: elle

What you point out here makes me think of this post which was made by a member of the mafia in that game with 4 town millers and mafia having an informed role:

The thing that's really starting to annoy me is that people are acting as if all these Miller claims mean they MUST be Town.

Did it ever occur to anyone that Scum could be informed about there being one or more Millers in the game?

Also napkin thoughts:

elle (1L) + Ydrasse, or elle (1L) + SirCakez for the scumteam, as post 146 quoted above does not seem like both mafia, and elle (1L) does seem the most suspect to me right now based on how I've seen mafia in this position act before.

Bell I know you are going to ask why I have you as town; I think catboi made a good point about your early aggressiveness leaning town

Puts GL in scumpool -> mentions a GL post reminds him of a past scum post -> conveniently takes GL out of the pool for the scum team because he's unpaired with the others in the scumpool (I mean this is a fake thought because Dunn is scum, but does make me think. Why would Dunn be particularly aware of GL being paired/unpaired with people? I think GL being scum is the most sensical answer to this question.)
Considering Dunn's scum, I think it'd make sense to put more effort (dig into meta) into crafting a scumread on his partner to make it more credible.

[Meuh]

Kind of leans into the whole "saying things that you know are true as scum to have read accuracy" thing? Like he knows GL's posting isn't townie, cause he's scum with him, but because he knows GL isn't scum with anyone else, he can confidently assert him being unpaired as the basis for his read