Open 885: Backup6 [Game Over]

[Ircher]

Day 1 VC #10

Abnegation

(1): iamveryhappy (89)

Dannflor (4) (F-1): T3 (396), Aureal (420), meowmeow (438), Abnegation (484)

Dunnstral

(1): camelCasedSnivy (448)

T3 (3): Black (318), Dunnstral (506), Dannflor (508)

With 9 alive, it takes five votes to fade a player.

Deadlines

This phase will end on Sunday, October 1, 2023 7:00 PM CDT (GMT-5:00) or in (expired on 2023-10-01 19:00:00).

Moderator Notes

1: If you have regular weekend V/LA, you must either notify me each time or set V/LA tags each time.
2: Let me know if you spot any errors in the vote count or voting history.
3: Let me know if you go by a different pronoun than listed.

Pronoun Key

1. camelCasedSnivy : he / him / his
2. T3 : he / him / his
3. Black : she / her / her
4. Aureal : she / her / her
5. Dunnstral : unspecified / unspecified / unspecified
6. Dannflor : he / him / his
7. meowmeow : any / any / any
8. iamveryhappy : he / him / his
9. Abnegation : she / her / her

[camelCasedSnivy]

UNVOTE: Dunnstral

VOTE: T3

iavh has hammers on both people here so ig he can choose who to express hammer intent on

[Dunnstral]

Well iamveryhappy? What's it going to be?

[Dunnstral]

i dont understand why dann would not scumread me but scumread dunnstral

seems weird

ccs could you like elaborate on your dunnstral progression here. like were you townreading him at this point?

pedit: dunn was town in friends and enemies. dann and i were also both town in that game

i had a pretty much null read on him, the only time i brought him up was when dann scumread him and iavh

at this point i figured theres gotta be 1 scum in dann/dunn/iamveryhappy and i dont think its ianveryhappy

Your current actions do not seem to match with your stated reads.

[camelCasedSnivy]

i dont understand why dann would not scumread me but scumread dunnstral

seems weird

ccs could you like elaborate on your dunnstral progression here. like were you townreading him at this point?

pedit: dunn was town in friends and enemies. dann and i were also both town in that game

i had a pretty much null read on him, the only time i brought him up was when dann scumread him and iavh

at this point i figured theres gotta be 1 scum in dann/dunn/iamveryhappy and i dont think its ianveryhappy

Your current actions do not seem to match with your stated reads.

look earlier

i was voting T3 before i switched to you

[camelCasedSnivy]

otherwise i wouldnt just give it up to iamveryhappy

[iamveryhappy]

Why the fuck do I have to decide it
GUHHHHH I hate these moments

[iamveryhappy]

UNVOTE:

[Abnegation]

semi-prodge, i'll try to post more tomorrow.

alright, i think i'm fine with doing this now.

VOTE: dannflor

e-1.

i could probably be sold on dunn or iavh, but currently my feeling towards those slots is more like "well, i don't

not

want to vote there."
also quite liking the wagon composition on dann.

I don't understand this vote. Dann feels like the most townie person in the game imo and there is nothing here to explain why he's the best fade? Did I miss something?

i am sheeping the kitty.
why is dann your top townread?

[Ircher]

Prodding meowmeow (1d 16h). They have (expired on 2023-09-27 07:30:00) to respond in-thread before I seek a replacement.

[Black]

Why the fuck do I have to decide it
GUHHHHH I hate these moments

Consider this your punishment for not doing anything this game

[Dunnstral]

Why the fuck do I have to decide it
GUHHHHH I hate these moments

What are you thinking champ?

[Black]

why is dann your top townread?

I think Dann has shown enough townie thought processes to at least be kept around longer. Everything just feels genuine from him. I haven't played with him before and I'm assuming he's a good scum player but I feel like he's an asset if he's town and I don't understand why he's a better fade than T3 or happy

[iamveryhappy]

Before I want to yeet anyone I would like to say this is not biased against anyone
This is a bad punishment btw
I’ve once played a chat mafia game on goalie gloves which is sadder

[T3]

I think it's weird that your response to 501 is to be like "ya that makes sense"

and not like, "well, this is wrong, im town, here is just what i was thinking!"

like idk i expect if you think I'm scum for your initial reaction to be that I'm bullshitting a scum case on you but instead your initial reaction is that my scum case on town!you makes sense?

You can be scum and still have a valid case

[T3]

t3 frozen scum ez gg

I do have an unfortunate habit of ghosting when I get wagoned as both alignments though

[T3]

Before I want to yeet anyone I would like to say this is not biased against anyone

Just remember to claim intent to hammer before actually hammering to allow for claims.

[meowmeow]

Iavh seems to be pretty “woe is me” this game?

i agree, but i think what ccs was probably trying to say is that he felt he's very different rather than the 'woe is me' thing being specifically important?

iavh posts are ... not ideal for meta'ing given that they tend to have the minimum amount of words possible to say something, which isn't great when you're removing said posts from all context

all that being said, after reading happy's iso in that game i have like no clue what he's talking about. nothing there looks distinctively different from here. well, that's an exaggeration - i suspect he's talking about the "i don't care just kill me" happy did towards the end, but he only did that in a few posts just before he died when everyone wanted to kill him which i think is a bit different

[meowmeow]

i like many of the points made in her case on dann in 351. the unvote is interesting though — meow definitely still had a case there, it was only that one piece that had been refuted. i think scum might be more inclined to keep voting there, or at least i would be as scum.

Maybe? What would be the town motivation for unvoting?

hmm. that is a fair question but it's not really the way i was thinking about it. i was thinking more in terms of having an agenda (if meowmeow is scum and their agenda is to push dann, unvoting doesn't help) vs. not having an agenda.

my agenda is it was funny and i would do the same thing as any alignment

[meowmeow]

Wait a second…

There’s a setup?

cool, here we have our first townslip! (probably!)

I'd imagine that scum would have a quick discussion about the setup and the mech in the scum PT after they receive their role PM's. That usually happens in newbie games at least.

first of all, i think scum is actually a lot more likely to take this post as a sincere town slip.

this is assuming generic and t3 aren’t partnered

1. When a mafia player sees a townie make a post like this, they automatically assume it is real because it’s coming from someone they know is town.

2. because a mafia player assumes it is real, they give too much credence to it. instinctually a mafia player might assume that it will look suspicious to attack such a post with cynicism or suspicion

but in actuality I think the towny response to Generic’s post might actually be suspicion, or at least some questioning or caution

I find the wordiness of T3’s explanation here unnatural too. It feels a little too performative, especially the last line of “that usually happens in newbie games.” It feels like the classic tell of overexplaining so that you aren’t caught fibbing

how did you feel about that post when you first read it?

[meowmeow]

i could probably be sold on dunn or iavh, but currently my feeling towards those slots is more like "well, i don't

not

want to vote there."
also quite liking the wagon composition on dann.

Same tbh. I scumread Dannflor more than Dunn or IAVH, but I also think that it's fairly unlikely that Dunn or IAVH will ever town it up and they'll likely have to be limmed at some point. I still want Dannflor gone today though.

IN THE SAME BREATH AS T3 IS SAYING IAVH NEEDS TO BE LIMMED EVENTUALLY T3 IS SCUM READING ME FOR WANTING TO LIM IAVH

i do not believe this man thinks im scum

this is logically a good point but idk how often ppl who are sloppy like that flip scum

i think t3's posting around black was similarly like, really not good posting, but i felt like it comes across more like limbait than someone going out of their way to try to look town

[meowmeow]

To me it feels like T3 is only "better" because he's trying to come across as townie, which isn't really better at all

can you elaborate here? i think you're probably town based on other posts and usually have good reads but like... i am really not seeing your pov on t3 and dann right now

[meowmeow]

it also helps that I know and respect meowmeow's reads and I think that slot is probably town

oh no the appeal to ego maneuver. it's working...

[meowmeow]

I think it's weird that your response to 501 is to be like "ya that makes sense"

and not like, "well, this is wrong, im town, here is just what i was thinking!"

like idk i expect if you think I'm scum for your initial reaction to be that I'm bullshitting a scum case on you but instead your initial reaction is that my scum case on town!you makes sense?

uh i kind of agree with this actually >_>

[Dannflor]

Wait a second…

There’s a setup?

cool, here we have our first townslip! (probably!)

I'd imagine that scum would have a quick discussion about the setup and the mech in the scum PT after they receive their role PM's. That usually happens in newbie games at least.

first of all, i think scum is actually a lot more likely to take this post as a sincere town slip.

this is assuming generic and t3 aren’t partnered

1. When a mafia player sees a townie make a post like this, they automatically assume it is real because it’s coming from someone they know is town.

2. because a mafia player assumes it is real, they give too much credence to it. instinctually a mafia player might assume that it will look suspicious to attack such a post with cynicism or suspicion

but in actuality I think the towny response to Generic’s post might actually be suspicion, or at least some questioning or caution

I find the wordiness of T3’s explanation here unnatural too. It feels a little too performative, especially the last line of “that usually happens in newbie games.” It feels like the classic tell of overexplaining so that you aren’t caught fibbing

how did you feel about that post when you first read it?

it pinged me

VOTE: T3