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[Cat Scratch Fever]

Sorry, work is taking more attention than normal (I work for the USG and have a pending government shutdown).

UNVOTE: kind of a strange claim to come from scum

But not from town?

Assuming that RN's BP claim is true (regardless of alignment) StD's claim could also be covering in case there's a tracker.

If he's town that's just his role

Though rn claimed bp day 1 right? std why did you rb a claimed bp?

[Random Nurse]

Save The Dragons claimed to have roleblocked you on Night 1

AND?

if Save The Dragons flips town for some reason, you are scum

that being said I'd think you are scum regardless, but a Save The Dragons town flip means you are scum based on mech

WHY and WHY?

You're not giving ANY FUCKING REASONS.

[TemporalLich]

I already gave reasons

[Naerys]

Known/Claimed Kill Abilities -

Scum

,

Wolf

,

Psyche (Vig)

, JV (JoaT Vig, 1x)
Known/Claimed Roleblocking Abilities -

DoctorDrew (RB)

, StD (RB)
Known/Claimed Other Abilities - JV (JoaT FV)

Assuming JV is town

N1

- Based on kill actions/claims, there should have been 3 kills.

Psyche

claimed to have shot at BBM, which failed due to a vanilla claim by BBM in 3169,

after

Psyche revealed his complex modifier in 3155. JV claims to have attempted to Loyal FV

Psyche

, which didn't happen.

DoctorDrew

could have roleblocked JV, which seems unlikely. In 4410 StD claims to have blocked RN, which changes nothing about the events.

At this point, Psyche's claim makes sense and also explains why there were only 2 kills. Unless there's a

third

roleblock/stop ability out there, the FV should have worked unless Scum!StD actually blocked JV, not RN like he's claiming.

N2

- Based on kill actions/claims, there should have been 3 kills. StD claims to have blocked and JV claims to have shot

Hu Tao

. Considering this is after the flips, there's no way to confirm/deny alignment since HT was vanilla. However, this doesn't explain the lack of a kill, which again leads to the possibility of a third blocker. Another options is Scum!StD blocked JV, not

Hu Tao

like claimed.

Assuming JV is scum (with a fakeclaim)

N1

- JV doesn't actually FV Psyche. StD

could

still be scum, but their alignment doesn't matter as much in this scenario. All other actions play out the same as in the previous scenario.

N2

- If Scum!JV exists and JoaT was a fakeclaim, there's no missing third shot. Again, StD

could

still be scum, but their alignment doesn't matter as much in this scenario. All other actions play out the same as in the previous scenario.

I've been TRing JV a heck of a lot harder than I have StD this game, but the second scenario almost makes more sense. While the presence of a second Town RB is questionable, the existence of 2 Town RB

plus

another roleblocking/stopping action is almost implausible.

JV reaction at my mistrust towards him seemed genuine though.

[Aisa]

Hmm ok thinking a bit about Save The Dragons's claim and seeing other people's posts it's more complicated than I thought:

- I don't mind that he claimed the exact same power role as a flipped player, sorry. There have been recent games with multiples of the same Town PR, so I don't think that's necessarily scum indicative.
- I don't think the relevant question is "how common is it to have 2 Town Roleblockers compared to 1 scum Roleblocker?", so much as "how common is it for a Town Roleblocker to claim RB here, vs for scum to claim RB here?". This is an unusual claim from either town or scum.
- I guess there is a tiny possibility STD got inspired to claim RB because either he is RB or one of his teammates is. Maybe he's worried someone will Rolecop him or whatever. Idk, I don't think this would be at the forefront of my mind as scum but everyone's different.
- I think that

if there's some townie who knows what happened to JV's fruit

, they should come forward at this point. And I'm kinda interpreting the fact no one's come forward so far as evidence that there's no such roleblocking townie currently alive in the game.

- I think shaddowez has a point here. The possibilities seem to be:
--- Drew roleblocked JV
--- JV is scum
--- STD is scum
--- JV is town. STD is town. There are 2 town roleblockers AND some other townie who knows what happened to JV's fruit and they haven't said anything yet.
--- JV is town. STD is town. AND at least one scumteam has a roleblocking role, which targeted JV on night 1.
(Not all these are mutually exclusive but at least one of these should be true)
I guess when you look at it this way "JV is scum" or "STD is scum" start looking like very juicy theories

...Am I mad for wanting to flip JV between the two

Argh I told myself I would never try to mech solve a game ever again. CSF, save me before it's too late

[JacksonVirgo]

Laptop keyboard broken, gonna go buy a new one today and lord knows I’m not catching up on my phone

[Enchant]

- I think that

if there's some townie who knows what happened to JV's fruit

, they should come forward at this point.

....
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


Oh well.
If this townie didn't come up to save Vigilante, they never will.

[Enchant]

I still think Jackson just lied to

[JacksonVirgo]

Why would I commit to a dodgy claim than just claiming Gunsmith which Psyche gave me an out for?

[JacksonVirgo]

If it was for cred, that would give it to me
If it was to get Psyche out, that would also give it to me but why would I focus to getting a random out that was pushable anyway

[Enchant]

Why would I commit to a dodgy claim than just claiming Gunsmith which Psyche gave me an out for?

Because motivation, you claimed at first place... Why?

To accuse and kill.

[JacksonVirgo]

Why would I commit to a dodgy claim than just claiming Gunsmith which Psyche gave me an out for?

Because motivation, you claimed at first place... Why?

To accuse and kill.

And, you think I’d commit to a complicated red than use the GS he handed me on a silver platter which would require me not push through all this if he flipped green

[Enchant]

This is probably a bad idea. But would it be wrong to offer to target JV in this scenario? It would remove an excuse for 3 people not dying tonight since it would aim at a guaranteed PR. But if I'm scum, they're as safe as they are every night (not safe, but not "3 people could shoot at them" safe). Also, it directly tests the hypothesis that JV is actually scum and never sent a fruit.

So, you want me to die?

That's something town never says.

[JacksonVirgo]

Like ??
What’s the motivation there? I could claim a GS and a vig. I would have no motive to claim a loyal fv as a wolf

[Enchant]

Especially if they believe it's guiltied scum.

[Aisa]

Some players are just a lil crazy (in a good way) and you seem like you fit the archetype

[JacksonVirgo]

This is probably a bad idea. But would it be wrong to offer to target JV in this scenario? It would remove an excuse for 3 people not dying tonight since it would aim at a guaranteed PR. But if I'm scum, they're as safe as they are every night (not safe, but not "3 people could shoot at them" safe). Also, it directly tests the hypothesis that JV is actually scum and never sent a fruit.

So, you want me to die?

That's something town never says.

I said it, I was gauging what his pov was. Is that illegal, get off ur tunnel hun

[JacksonVirgo]

Some players are just a lil crazy (in a good way) and you seem like you fit the archetype :P

Ah yes throw out logic because “haha ur crazy”

[JacksonVirgo]

Anywho getting ready for work now bye bye

[Enchant]

I know you will not survive until ELO anyway.

[JacksonVirgo]

I know you will not survive until ELO anyway.

And?

[pisskop]

I think youre on the wrong path but I appreciate the new ground. It's like fresh air

[Enchant]

I know you will not survive until ELO anyway.

And?

Nothing. Have fun until tomorrow i guess.

[shaddowez]

Yeah, I'm not committed to a JV flip yet.

JV, please do not do this yet

- I'm trying to weigh the pros and cons of JV claiming the rest of his actions prior to this day ending. If he's fakeclaiming, it should be somewhat easier to prove, but if he's not then it makes him a prime target. Noodling on this

[bob3141]

Especially if they believe it's guiltied scum.

How would that work? Just of one faction of scum would be a different alignment so is town to scum