Open 890 - C9++ - Postgame

[Alianna]

No VC, but this pagetop is mine!

[RCEnigma]

Greedy

[camelCasedSnivy]

hi rce do you think kitty is still scum

[Doctor Drew]

No VC, but this pagetop is mine!

Also this reminds me, no way Alianna would allow RC to role scum in one of her games.

I pictured her re rolling the roles as much as possible until RC was town haha.

[yessiree]

Before I read the last few messages I just wanted to confirm that people who were talking about SNYBED (or whatever) being a townbloc were joking right.

not_mafia and enchant being in the bloc should give u a hint, c'mon dawg

oh yeah i forgot the trigger that made me propose the townbloc was cause i mindmelded with enchant's 123
enchant should be more higher up in townyness then

[yessiree]

I don't agree with your reasons to scumread him, sorry. He's always kinda lurky and sometimes doesn't say much about his reads / doesn't justify his reads well. I also think he's definitely aware of the peculiarities of his playstyle, so I don't find him bringing that up especially scummy.

that's fair enough, I was feeling a bit better about kitty after our last chat, but since then he's kinda dropped the ball again
reading his iso i dont like how he seems to be fixated on N_M a lot

on a related note, Aisa strikes me as town here, progression of her reads feels natural and im digging the trajectory she's taking wrt. RCE/kitty/me

[yessiree]

Also do you think it's possible his play is identical at both alignments?

Not directed at me, but yes.

hmm interesting, do u think ur 314 still stands? and if so, I'm interested to hear if there's anything more substantive
since throwing out "X and Y are not paired" is a fairly trivial thing to say

[yessiree]

I think it's pretty amazing that RC thinks he has a town read from a couple of Day 1 posts that probably weren't very serious.

I get pretty strong town reads from Aisa, Drew, and yessiree. I am also tending towards town reads from Kitty, KatyKimFanClub, and Enchant.

SNYBED doesn't seem to be doing a very good job of actually being a block. In one post Snivy admonishes DragonEater for changing his vote to leave a wagon, and then later on changes his vote shortly after DragonEater goes back on it. I'd say there's possibly more than 1 scum in the block.

I’d implore yessiree to probe my meta a little deeper to see if the reads I made here match my town games. Spoiler they do. Not that I couldn’t do it as scum but I’d make the case that meta reads on me amount to little. I’m very aware of my own meta, take that how you may.

I'm confused.
do you actually want me to look at ur town games (because I will if you link it, and I remember someone asked for that already) since your play here match your town games? or I shouldn't bother since meta reads on you amount to little
so this is just you preemptively discrediting any meta reads on you?

It’s not a discredit. If there is a track record for how i form day one reads then the manufactured argument doesn’t hold weight. Im losing interest in getting you to think I’m town because benefit of the doubt only stretches so far.

how is it not a discredit if you keep make contradicting statements like
"prove my meta a little deeper", "my reads here match my town games", "there is a track record of how i form reads"
and
"meta reads on me amount to little", "i'm very aware of my own meta"

you're simultaneously suggesting u'r playing to ur town meta and that meta reads on u are useless so it's pointless to verify the validity of it

[yessiree]

I have been wanting to iso him though, should be more active going forward.....busy last few days.

i'd like ur take on aureal if possible
i've never gotten the kind of vibes ive gotten from her before as either alignment, and that scares me, i dont like to be scared

[Doctor Drew]

I have been wanting to iso him though, should be more active going forward.....busy last few days.

i'd like ur take on aureal if possible
i've never gotten the kind of vibes ive gotten from her before as either alignment, and that scares me, i dont like to be scared

Ok will do, I did think she would be all over after last game after all lol.

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: yessiree
Serious vote. I don't really like his pushes on either KittyTacky or RCEnigma.

i would buy that if it was like page 2 or 3, even then i still disagree with that assessment

i dont like ur implication that people posted nothing but fluff for the past 8 pages

I personally don't really have any well-developed reads yet. I know that with the way I play I'm likely to change my mind later so sometimes on page 10 it's just easier not to talk about how I think not_mafia is towny because he posted twice in a row (not a real read).

this wasn't a push so much as an attempt to sort RCE, out of respect for his scum game (he's a slippery weasel, ask Aureal ).

Wow, look at me, RVS voting someone and leaving my vote there even as a wagon suddenly builds around it. How suspicious of me!

Well that was a quick iso lol.

Nothing stands out too much with here, outside of this post which is a bit chippy towards you Yess........but Aureal is always a bit chippy.

Gotta see a bit more from her tbh.

[Aureal]

Chippy? I don't have chips, I have popcorn to sit back and watch the show.

[Doctor Drew]

Chippy? I don't have chips, I have popcorn to sit back and watch the show.

Well you you on the sidelines eating popcorn like MichaelJackson.gif is the one thing giving me pause to call you town lol

[Aureal]

Michael Jackson? Sure, but you know what comes after that?

[Doctor Drew]

Michael Jackson? Sure, but you know what comes after that?

Uhh, I have nothing but inappropriate responses to this.

[yessiree]

yeah like, i wasn't even trying to throw shade her way with that post, just acknowledging her assessment of RCE from the last game

[Aureal]

Michael Jackson? Sure, but you know what comes after that?

Uhh, I have nothing but inappropriate responses to this.

The only appropriate response is "yes indeed, Weird Al is the most incredible person of all time!"

[KittyTacky]

I checked out some Kitty meta, he could go either way.
Interestingly he talked about his metaq in similar terms in this gam, where he was scum:
viewtopic.php?p=13947699&f=2&t=91698&us ... #p13947699

So if I had to pick maybe I'd say he's scum this game

I am honest about my meta as both alignments. If you dig deeper you can find it.

[KittyTacky]

lol thanks for the consult on emojis everyone <3

KittyTacky claiming that Dragon and Drew are not paired in 115 (not sure how he arrived at this read tbh) seems somewhat in line with !town meta.

I don't think people are that good at balancing how soon they give reads as !town vs !scum.

What do you think the difference between Kitty town and scum metas is?
I have my own outrageous random guess I can share later btw

@KKFC

I'm still interested in getting an answer to this

Sorry, missed this.

First, I don't know Kitty's scum meta at all. I just personally find his entrance to the game to be really close to his entrance in a game where I played with him and he was town. I'm operating with a really small sample size, but as I mentioned, I think these are things (to be specific, the tone and style of the entrance and the willingness to make super early reads and decisions) that are noticeable enough for me to put weight into them even with a single game to compare to.

Thanks!

I think my main message was that I'm not sure that's actually town indicative for him, he could be TMI'ing the read

My outrageous random guess was something like "maybe Kitty just posts less as town" (because he feels less pressure to be seen as productive) but that probably not true lol

I post less when I feel disengaged. Which can happen as either alignment. It takes something grabbing my attention to really kick me into gear.

[KittyTacky]

But I admit it happens more often as town because as scum I usually have a clear goal of who has to die or live for my team to win. As town I'm pretty lost before there's a flip.

[KittyTacky]

I think it's known how I'm lackluster d1.

[DragonEater70]

Okay, having just read Snivy's completed scum games, I don't think he's in his scum meta this game.

UNVOTE: Snivy

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