Mini Normal 2313: I am sitting in a room (game over)

[JacksonVirgo]

That’d be a stupid thing to do, it wasn’t ever an option

[Enchant]

Whatever.

Now what?

I don't believe Hu Tao is traitor.

[Enchant]

Fairly i have no idea how to read traitors.

[JacksonVirgo]

I mean from your perspective you should have a psuedo-confirmed wolf to vote

[Enchant]

I have strange feeling that you vote against me.

[JacksonVirgo]

Merlyn should be the vote regardless and then Im solving between you and wiz in which I’m leaning wiz. If it’s you and hu tao then you can win ngl

[JacksonVirgo]

Merlyn for the sake of otherwise Andante is the only investigative as a one shot with all the wolves claiming one shot too? Unlikely

[Enchant]

Maybe. I still wait for their first move.

[Hu Tao]

Them going pisskop is very sad

You're next

[JacksonVirgo]

Them going pisskop is very sad

You're next :(

I know its not but I read this as a threat lmfao

[Hu Tao]

[Merlyn]

Merlyn for the sake of otherwise Andante is the only investigative as a one shot with all the wolves claiming one shot too? Unlikely

What does this mean, Jackson?

[JacksonVirgo]

Merlyn for the sake of otherwise Andante is the only investigative as a one shot with all the wolves claiming one shot too? Unlikely

What does this mean, Jackson?

It means if you're Town.

Excluding the world where Hu Tao and Enchant are both wolves. It means that all three wolves are claiming 1-shot investigative roles. AND the only investigative role Town has is a role cop.

Do you think that's likely?

[Merlyn]

Merlyn for the sake of otherwise Andante is the only investigative as a one shot with all the wolves claiming one shot too? Unlikely

What does this mean, Jackson?

It means if you're Town.

Excluding the world where Hu Tao and Enchant are both wolves. It means that all three wolves are claiming 1-shot investigative roles. AND the only investigative role Town has is a role cop.

Do you think that's likely?

given that we know that Gob claimed their role, I think it's within the realm of possibility, yeah

[JacksonVirgo]

we know that Gob claimed their role

Can you elaborate on this?

[Merlyn]

oh nvm he said he was a baby sitter, not that he was a baby sitter finder.

[AnimatedWiz]

I just don’t understand the pattern of NK targets—first it was Black, then Andante, then Black again, and then pisskop. Why specifically these people?

Wouldn’t killing pisskop earlier be the better option, especially N1 or N2 once there weren’t too many other opportunities? I would think the Innocent Child claiming protective would be ideal, and there has to be a reason to deviate from that expected outcome.

[AnimatedWiz]

I still think Merlyn is the best elim target today, but I just… I don’t understand WHY these people, and I’d like to try to work that out first. If gob was a Babysitter-Finder, it’s logical to think that the claimed protective role who doesn’t say exactly which role they are would be a Babysitter, right?

[JacksonVirgo]

I just don’t understand the pattern of NK targets—first it was Black, then Andante, then Black again, and then pisskop. Why specifically these people?

Wouldn’t killing pisskop earlier be the better option, especially N1 or N2 once there weren’t too many other opportunities? I would think the Innocent Child claiming protective would be ideal, and there has to be a reason to deviate from that expected outcome.

If they were informed of a Babysitter mason then it’s clear why Pisskop was avoided. Also it isn’t uncommon for ICs to live a while

[JacksonVirgo]

I still think Merlyn is the best elim target today, but I just… I don’t understand WHY these people, and I’d like to try to work that out first. If gob was a Babysitter-Finder, it’s logical to think that the claimed protective role who doesn’t say exactly which role they are would be a Babysitter, right?

Not sure what you’re saying I claimed doc yesterday and pisskop claimed babysitter and they died last night not sure what you are trying to say

[AnimatedWiz]

I still think Merlyn is the best elim target today, but I just… I don’t understand WHY these people, and I’d like to try to work that out first. If gob was a Babysitter-Finder, it’s logical to think that the claimed protective role who doesn’t say exactly which role they are would be a Babysitter, right?

Not sure what you’re saying I claimed doc yesterday and pisskop claimed babysitter and they died last night not sure what you are trying to say

I’m talking about N2—pisskop claimed to be a protective role at the beginning of D2, and the scumteam would have good reason to suspect that role of is Babysitter due to gob’s role being a Babysitter-Finder. I don’t understand why the scumteam decided to kill Andante instead of pisskop N2 if that’s all the info they had on people’s roles—wouldn’t killing pisskop and likely getting a 2-for-1 be better?

[AnimatedWiz]

Here’s my theory after going through pisskop’s for D1 and D2:

I think, D1, the likely explanation is that the scumteam assumed that pisskop would be the most likely target for a protective role and didn’t target them as a result. There certainly could be other reasons, but pisskop doesn’t pressure anyone too hard D1 like Black does.

D2 is different, because this is when pisskop claims a protective role and no one else does—keeping pisskop alive after this point is really odd, because to the scumteam, it means there’s a consistent risk of more NKs failing. I think that pisskop was kept alive on N2 due to how they were reading people.

On D1, pisskop doesn’t share their reads too much after they catch up on the thread (277)—the only ones still alive they shared a thought on were Bob (no opinion) and Hu Tao (they liked, mostly).

Day 2, pisskop has a lot to say about one person—Bob. In 1866, they state being 60/40 sure about Bob being town, but are willing to leave Bob alone since the claim should be resolved when either Bob dies soon or not. Pisskop is really sure about this being the correct prediction for a while (1874), but then pivots into believing Bob before Day 2 is over (2028). I think that, if Enchant is scum, then it makes sense for them to save pisskop here—if pisskop literally says that for the next few days they’ll trust you, there isn’t an incentive to kill them over someone else more pressing (like a Cop you might have discovered, AKA Andante).

I really do think this saving of pisskop lines up with Enchant being scummy, but I’m unsure if this is the only possible reason for this playchoice by the scumteam—does anyone else have other theories?

[Enchant]

I actually just assumed that mafia hit IC N1 and kill didn't go.

Atleast it's hard to believe that mason didn't defend buddy N1 and instead went to Black who mafia also attacked. If so, good targeting i guess.


Obviously Jackson knows what really happened so there's little reason to speculate.

[AnimatedWiz]

Yeah, I’m honestly not sure how Jackson guessed it was best to target Black, but I mean, hooray! Means we have 3:2 here instead of 2:2, so it ended up being really clutch for us.

[Enchant]

What we have, dumbtell competention?