Open 889 | Secrets of the Anuket Topaz | fin.

[jjh927]

That is certainly one of the takes of all time

[jjh927]

I don't think literally giving up and hammering alisae is doing everything you can

[jjh927]

Or rather- I think you were doing what you are more inclined to do as scum, which is allowing someone you supposedly townread to get eliminated, up until the point where I made it very clear that your towngame is not that, so you put in a bit of effort to defend Alisae and now we're right back to you wanting to get town eliminated

[Titus]

I don't think literally giving up and hammering alisae is doing everything you can

At some point, yes this everything that can safely be done. Dragging the game to a toxic state is bad. Keeping a healthy game and a healthy town core is more important than being right.

[Shirou]

The game feels once again "alive" with an Alisae wagon and it's just really hard to shrug it off as a coincidence once again to me.

/shrug

It's my best guess, sorry if wrong and the decision is up to you people out of the wagon (Titus, JJH, Fire, Ydra, etc).

p-edit: Sorry I'm at work atm and gotta go right now but I can try to do that once I get home yeah

Do I have your word you'd start tomorrow with that?

I guess yeah.

You would have my word that I would at least start with that, but I also would like to re:read the game in it's entirety in the approaching weekend and take notes along the way.

Beyond my own tunnel, Alisae just feels like the highest info/highest stake flip too in my opinion. It progress the game the most in terms of collective reads.

[Titus]

Or rather- I think you were doing what you are more inclined to do as scum, which is allowing someone you supposedly townread to get eliminated, up until the point where I made it very clear that your towngame is not that, so you put in a bit of effort to defend Alisae and now we're right back to you wanting to get town eliminated

A little bit of effort? Really? I've opened invitations and stated my scum pool repeatedly but there have been no takers because my pool keeps shading me.

Like I said. Open invitation but you have no incentive to take it.

I'd keep fighting if it wasn't pointless and toxic.

[Titus]

The info thing is right.

VOTE: Alisae

If I am wrong, I will take a fresh look starting with a revamped VCA.

[Titus]

I'm going to pm Dannfloor to hopefully get a flip while in court.

[Shirou]

Does Titus even effort like this as scum in hindsight?

I don't think I ever played with scum!Titus but she's definitely one of the most efforting slots in the game right now when most other slots are coasting by.

p-edit: oh thanks! let's wait for Dann now I guess.

[jjh927]

Ah yes, an info flip in a game where a scum flip gives us 5 confirmed townreads

[Titus]

Effort = availability and activity of game. I can't bring a game to life but I can be present.

[Prism]

YOLO

[Prism]

Ah yes, an info flip in a game where a scum flip gives us 5 confirmed townreads

You're advocating a complete coinflip on Dragons, lmao

[jjh927]

Does Titus even effort like this as scum in hindsight?

I don't think I ever played with scum!Titus but she's definitely one of the most efforting slots in the game right now when most other slots are coasting by.

p-edit: oh thanks! let's wait for Dann now I guess.

Yes?

I've also seen scum!Titus parrot the same kind of crap about town unity etc

[Prism]

I don't even think flipping Dragons would be bad. He's never getting more readable over time and even if he gets cleared, he's never driving content forward and is an ideal pick for scum.

The idea that we have sinned because the Alisae flip is so much worse is ???. Terrible that we could flip a consensus scum to nullscum read with plenty of commentary instead of a player whose alignment is best determined by consulting the daily horoscope.

[jjh927]

Ah yes, an info flip in a game where a scum flip gives us 5 confirmed townreads

You're advocating a complete coinflip on Dragons, lmao

I don't think that's true. He's resisted providing certain more reliable types of content but there are other ways to place someone

[jjh927]

Alisae is a townflip

That's what's worse about it

[Titus]

I read StD easily.

If you townread Alisae, you would have tried to build a coalition.

[Shirou]

I really do not understand *THIS* level of confidence behind Alisae being town.

[Titus]

I really do not understand *THIS* level of confidence behind Alisae being town.

I read it bc play.

Jj knows bc shade. That's why he never worked to get a coalition.

Scum knew you were wrong, like I said.

[Prism]

Maybe you should have convinced the other town players on that front instead of going on a snipe hunt.

I warned you a week in advance you were snipehunting and you insisted on verifying it yourself. Enjoy the consequences.

[Titus]

Maybe you should have convinced the other town players on that front instead of going on a snipe hunt.

I warned you a week in advance you were snipehunting and you insisted on verifying it yourself. Enjoy the consequences.

Wtf is snipehunting and who are you talking to?

[Prism]

Maybe you should have convinced the other town players on that front instead of going on a snipe hunt.

I warned you a week in advance you were snipehunting and you insisted on verifying it yourself. Enjoy the consequences.

Wtf is snipehunting and who are you talking to?

Fool's errand (wasting multiple days trying to wring content out of Dragons), jjh

[Titus]

StD has readability. That's frustrating.

No one would vote with me. That's frustrating too.

[jjh927]

Maybe you should have convinced the other town players on that front instead of going on a snipe hunt.

I warned you a week in advance you were snipehunting and you insisted on verifying it yourself. Enjoy the consequences.

I mean, the Alisae wagon consists of T3, camel, shirou, you, imaginality, STD, Titus

Like, this wagon almost certainly has all the scum on it

The other half of the game would have been a good bet for people to talk to