Open 889 | Secrets of the Anuket Topaz | fin.

[camelCasedSnivy]

Camel, why do you not want that? I'd rather get it out preflip as its more raw. Less reflection.

i would rather argue with either the knowledge of scum!alisae and 5 conftown or town!alisae worst case

[camelCasedSnivy]

i suppose i get the purpose

i dont really have anything to add and I'm half paying attention to whatever you're bickering about

[Ydrasse]

i think alisae is a town flip

[Titus]

Camel, why do you not want that? I'd rather get it out preflip as its more raw. Less reflection.

i would rather argue with either the knowledge of scum!alisae and 5 conftown or town!alisae worst case

Fair preference I guess. I do VCA with flips but I think there's a fair amount to be gathered by reactions to flips.

Answer one question with no follow up please? Do you think Alisae flips town or scum? No why but I'd prefer it.

[jjh927]

Go on then, Titus. What's the difference between town and scum STD

[camelCasedSnivy]

Camel, why do you not want that? I'd rather get it out preflip as its more raw. Less reflection.

i would rather argue with either the knowledge of scum!alisae and 5 conftown or town!alisae worst case

Fair preference I guess. I do VCA with flips but I think there's a fair amount to be gathered by reactions to flips.

Answer one question with no follow up please? Do you think Alisae flips town or scum? No why but I'd prefer it.

scum

[Titus]

Go on then, Titus. What's the difference between town and scum STD

Tone, effort, gamestate

[Titus]

Thank you. I'll start driving. Will lose reception. Hopefully a flip will be there by then and if new people show up preflip an answer would be good.

[Prism]

I think the answer is more complicated than that, and I think Dragons has many reasons for playing why he does, both consciously and unconsciously. Here is a fuller perspective.

If StD voted Prism because he was suspicious, why didn't he say so when Prism was talking about him "only doing it to annoy him or for reactions" for example?

It's a minor thing but it kinda bugs me that it took me asking him to confirm whether Prism said was right or not. Wouldn't the normal behavior be to explain shortly "I'm voting you because I think you're scum" rather than "uh okay" and dip out?

The lack of explanation is not indicative. He never plays that way. There are four answers to this working together harmoniously. The first is that I'm a jerk and don't deserve it. Other players are irrelevant to this reason. The second is that sometimes he does not have time to play that way. The third is that he rarely wants to play that way regardless. The fourth is that it makes it significantly easier to play scum if he does not play that way.

I don't really want to argue sincerity or litigate that you should adopt these beliefs as your own, but they are mine.

[Prism]

To use your reasonable person comparison Titus, this isn't any opinion of Palsgraf. This is Vaughan v. Menlove.

[jjh927]

Go on then, Titus. What's the difference between town and scum STD

Tone, effort, gamestate

What specifically is different about his tone and level of effort

I won't ask about gamestate because you're talking about VCA

[Prism]

Well Southwest's system is down nationwide and I am stuck in a mile long line.

Anyone want to keep me company?

My current reads are

Townread
======
Shirou
T3

Townlean
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gob
jjh
Firebringer

True Null
======
Andres
Save the Dragons
Ydrasse
imaginality

Scumlean
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Titus
Alisae

Scum
======
Camel

[Dannflor]

Flip in ~2 hours.

[Dannflor]

VC 1.FINAL

There's No Place Like Home

Alisae [7]:

T3, camelCasedSnivy, Shirou, Prism, imaginality, Save The Dragons, Titus

Titus [2]:

Firebringer, Ydrasse

Save The Dragons [2]:

Alisae, jjh927

Ydrasse [1]:

Andresvmb

Not Voting [1]:

gob

With 13 on-board, it takes 7 to force someone to walk the plank. Day 1 ends in (expired on 2023-10-22 18:36:06).

Mod Notes:

Firebringer is V/LA.

[Dannflor]

Alisae stood above the water, eir back to the rest of the crew. The shouts and calls for their guilt grew louder. E just shook eir head.

"The Captain wouldn't have wanted this." But it was too late. Alisae went plunging into the icy waters.

Alisae was a

Crewman

.

[Dannflor]

VC 2.1

Dust in the Wind

Not Voting [12]:

gob, camelCasedSnivy, Prism, Ydrasse, T3, jjh927, Titus, gob, Save The Dragons, Shirou, Firebringer, imaginality, Andresvmb

With 12 on-board, it takes 7 to force someone to walk the plank. Day 2 ends in (expired on 2023-10-31 15:44:27).

Mod Notes:

Firebringer is V/LA.

[camelCasedSnivy]

sorry alisae you are an amazing vtuber

[camelCasedSnivy]

just not that great of a crewman, i guess

i don't like jjhs end of day a lot

VOTE: jjh927

[Prism]

I am annoyed because I wanted the 2 day break so I didn't have to think about this all weekend. No night phase.

[Prism]

I'll think about the implications for awhile. I don't have any immediate reaction to that flip.

[Titus]

Ok. I'd like to extend an olive branch. I know things got heated. You are all good people, regardless of your PM color.

I strongly suggest we reach a consensus lim for the second one.

We all might want to cool off, but we don't want to relieve the pressure on scum.

My personal favorite lims are jjh and Ydrasse but I definitely can fo imaginality.

[Titus]

VOTE: jjh927

[Firebringer]

i guess i should have been here earlier to yell at people not to vote alisae but tbh i was never gonna die on that hill.

[Ydrasse]

gut impulse is that it's titus + imaginality + 1 for the immediate reaction / jump onto jj, i dont have any issue with his posting at eod. feels like mafia trying to take advantage of the escape mechanic and push through someone who is like... idk fmpov i think jj's approached this game with a towny perspective he seems to care about what people's motivations are in a way wolves usually dont. it doesnt feel like the agenda is there
VOTE: titus

[Ydrasse]

also the positioning of "ill def vote imaginality" etc etc