Open 889 | Secrets of the Anuket Topaz | fin.

[Prism]

I need to just read and shut up frankly. I don’t like feeling like if I say something, people are just going to put me down bysaying well you haven’t read so whatever your opinion is useless.

The bigger issue is underexplanation. Your

conclusions

are second-order and not what people are actually looking forward to.

[Andresvmb]

Right now, I think Ydrasse T3 and imaginality is the team.

Okay this is horrible any way you slice it.

[Prism]

can I be your younger sibling then Fire?

Meh if Shirou is Scum Fire probably isn’t.

This one is just straight up bad. Both of these players have played a few games of mafia before.

[Andresvmb]

I need to just read and shut up frankly. I don’t like feeling like if I say something, people are just going to put me down bysaying well you haven’t read so whatever your opinion is useless.

The bigger issue is underexplanation. Your

conclusions

are second-order and not what people are actually looking forward to.

I don’t have the time to be providing detailed explanations. It’s partly why I don’t play much anymore - I can’t give it the focus I think my fellow players deserve (as either alignment).

Even so, I’ll say this. The biggest issue I have with Shirou from what I have been able to read is the confidence they expressed in their read of Alisae. They were perfectly happy to twist every post and position into a Scum narrative to get their way, which it looks like eventually they did. I’m fairly certain we need to punish that. Because the motivation is particularly strong in this game to not have Scum executed D1.

[Andresvmb]

can I be your younger sibling then Fire?

Meh if Shirou is Scum Fire probably isn’t.

This one is just straight up bad. Both of these players have played a few games of mafia before.

You are doing a great job of confirming my view of your slot.

[Prism]

I am terrified. The bar you set was insanely low and both of these players instantly clear it. I would love to know what gymnastics you use to justify setting the bar impossibly high for others.

[Prism]

Even more frightening is that you have me as third with Dragons and Shirou. I could infer rational reasons for Alisae's belief because e had a specifically biased worldview that colored certain interactions. Something tells me yours are significantly worse at best and nonexistent at least.

[Andresvmb]

I am terrified. The bar you set was insanely low and both of these players instantly clear it. I would love to know what gymnastics you use to justify setting the bar impossibly high for others.

Wait what are you even talking about?

[Andresvmb]

Even more frightening is that you have me as third with Dragons and Shirou. I could infer rational reasons for Alisae's belief because e had a specifically biased worldview that colored certain interactions. Something tells me yours are significantly worse at best and nonexistent at least.

Are you calling me Scum? Just say it. I don’t know what this is even supposed to mean.

[Andresvmb]

Even more frightening is that you have me as third with Dragons and Shirou. I could infer rational reasons for Alisae's belief because e had a specifically biased worldview that colored certain interactions. Something tells me yours are significantly worse at best and nonexistent at least.

Are you calling me Scum? Just say it. I don’t know what this is even supposed to mean.

Biased worldview that colored certain interactions? I need to go back and read some of Shirou and Alisae’s interactions again, but I don’t think Alisae was entirely OMGUS’ing Shirou, if I remember correctly. Shirou started doubling down in a way that I did think Scum would do in that situation, and you seem to be doing what? Dismissing them entirely? Does Alisae’s flip not do anything for you at all?

[Prism]

You think that Shirou's 989, coming off the heels of an interaction where Firebringer and I are exchanging jokes, is an attempt to insert himself and ingratiate himself with Firebringer in a way that would not occur if Firebringer was also scum.

This is drastically underestimating both players and I could easily find parallel scenarios to rule out every possible S/S pairing that doesn't involve imaginality. I am not calling you scum for it, but I do think it is a very bad read and hipfiring in a way that prioritizes giving content over actually solving and giving

good

content.

[Andresvmb]

I could be wrong but Prism seems to be dismissing Alisae’s reads completely and at the very least you would be considering them seriously here given the confirmation that they were coming from a Town perspective. You could argue they were wrong and perhaps expand on that but I don’t find it convincing in the least to just dismiss their views with “they were biased though rational”. I take that to mean that because they were attacked directly by some of the slots, it’s reasonable that they Scum Read them? Okay, you’re sitting on the outside - isn’t the strength of the push there not give you some suspicions? It does to me.

[Andresvmb]

You think that Shirou's 989, coming off the heels of an interaction where Firebringer and I are exchanging jokes, is an attempt to insert himself and ingratiate himself with Firebringer in a way that would not occur if Firebringer was also scum.

This is drastically underestimating both players and I could easily find parallel scenarios to rule out every possible S/S pairing that doesn't involve imaginality. I am not calling you scum for it, but I do think it is a very bad read and hipfiring in a way that prioritizes giving content over actually solving and giving

good

content.

You’re not calling me Scum for it? So just a bad player?

[Prism]

You are misinterpreting the entire post. First I will pretend you are not and answer the implicit questions behind it. I don't care about Alisae's reads because they were underexplained and I trust reasons, not people. I voted Alisae in large part because I frequently disagreed with their reasons. The fact that they were town does not salvage this.

Biased worldview that colored certain interactions? I need to go back and read some of Shirou and Alisae’s interactions again, but I don’t think Alisae was entirely OMGUS’ing Shirou, if I remember correctly. Shirou started doubling down in a way that I did think Scum would do in that situation, and you seem to be doing what? Dismissing them entirely? Does Alisae’s flip not do anything for you at all?

My statement is that not only am I not scum with Dragons and Shirou, I believe this is insanely hard to rationalize and justify.

I am contrasting this to Alisae's read that it was myself, Dragons, and Shirou. Alisae was concerned about the timing of certain reads and voteshifts of mine as they related to e's own wagon, Dragons, and Shirou. This was a unique situation that arose specifically out of when and how I reacted to Shirou's push and Alisae's reactions in realtime, and Alisae's focus on that immediate timeframe. I found this very rational and actually discussed it at length on Day 1.

You do not have the same chronological context, conviction, and focus on the interactions that Alisae did. Your reasons are likely worse than e's or nonexistent.

[Prism]

You’re not calling me Scum for it? So just a bad player?

You're a player who gave a very bad read and from what I can infer, very bad reasoning.

I have done this. Every player at the table has done this. Extrapolate from this specific criticism to your holistic ability and worth as a player whatever you want.

[Firebringer]

i have never had a bad take ever, prism.

i am the best player ever in the history of this game.
i was divinely blessed some might say

[Prism]

I'm very tired and this bores me immensely. Have a good night, Andres.

[Andresvmb]

You’re way too focused on the reasons as to why Alisae thought you were Scum, and therefore any and all reasons Alisae had for SR’ing STD / Shirou (which were independent of your slot) are bad? This doesn’t make sense to me. I admit that in part, I threw your name out there as a compliment to an STD / Shirou Scum Team. It kind of fits, but Town (and that includes me) never get the Team right on the first try. I certainly don’t think I will either. I do, however, think Shirou is an excellent slot to scrutinize.

[Andresvmb]

^complement*

[Andresvmb]

I'm very tired and this bores me immensely. Have a good night, Andres.

Okay? I wasn’t really trying to interact with you directly, but just catch up and put some thoughts out there and see if anything sticks.

[Andresvmb]

Also, disagreeing with another player is a terrible reason to vote them. I’m not just going to let that slip by. It’s a really bad explanation for your vote on Alisae. This is a game based on opinions and perceptions, that then gets facts thrown into it. You will find yourself disagreeing with others. If you go around voting those you disagree with, and protecting those that you agree with (or presumably agree with you), then you’ll be the easiest player to pocket.

[Prism]

You’re way too focused on the reasons as to why Alisae thought you were Scum, and therefore any and all reasons Alisae had for SR’ing STD / Shirou (which were independent of your slot) are bad? This doesn’t make sense to me. I admit that in part, I threw your name out there as a compliment to an STD / Shirou Scum Team. It kind of fits, but Town (and that includes me) never get the Team right on the first try. I certainly don’t think I will either. I do, however, think Shirou is an excellent slot to scrutinize.

You are still mixed up but I am again tired and bored. I doubt anyone else has any interest in this conversation. I'm fine with you assuming the worst and scumreading it. My hope is that you shift your commentary elsewhere.

[Prism]

I'm very tired and this bores me immensely. Have a good night, Andres.

Okay? I wasn’t really trying to interact with you directly, but just catch up and put some thoughts out there and see if anything sticks.

I started the conversation if it is important for you to get that acknowledgement.

[Firebringer]

did u have fun at the festitivites prism

[Andresvmb]

You’re way too focused on the reasons as to why Alisae thought you were Scum, and therefore any and all reasons Alisae had for SR’ing STD / Shirou (which were independent of your slot) are bad? This doesn’t make sense to me. I admit that in part, I threw your name out there as a compliment to an STD / Shirou Scum Team. It kind of fits, but Town (and that includes me) never get the Team right on the first try. I certainly don’t think I will either. I do, however, think Shirou is an excellent slot to scrutinize.

You are still mixed up but I am again tired and bored. I doubt anyone else has any interest in this conversation. I'm fine with you assuming the worst and scumreading it. My hope is that you shift your commentary elsewhere.

My vote and strongest SR is Shirou. You’re the one who is wrong.