Open 887: Coalition of Frogs (Game Over)

[Hero at Heart]

Why would scum kill mer? I feel like that was a more useful kill when they killed ths, not now

why?

[Bellaphant]

I don't recognise what you said about being true this game? Like, my reads have been boring af: vaguely Sus/confused by ths, ari and mer have never reached consistently town, I've been super loud about Dr drew beinf town when I feel others weren't, etc.

Also, I find positioning around my buddies super hard: I think my tr of datisi would be super ballsy

Anyway, re mer: I think right now mer would be a really low info kill, which in some ways is helpful to scum, but I feel like if that's what they wanted, killing them nighr one would've been more helpful? Ths felt same levels of info but more lim-able?

[Bellaphant]

Also, wine

[implosion]

today was very busy/tiring, will have more tomorrow at some point, i can find some scum games but i historically play so infrequently that i feel like my meta is usually out of date in any given game i'm playing

[Aristeia]

this game just feels lethargic atp

[Hero at Heart]

sorry, real life issues

[Hero at Heart]

if i'm here anyway, quick q:

ari, how reliable is reading you as unpartnered with datisi simply because of your unenthusiastic attitude toward him in early game?

[Aristeia]

I have never been mafia with Datisi so I wouldn't know

[Ausuka]

Votecount 3.1

With 5 players alive, it takes 3 votes to eliminate. Day 2 ends in (expired on 2023-10-25 18:39:02).

Elimination Votes

Not Voting (5)

- Aristeia, Bellaphant, Hero at Heart, implosion, Merlyn

Flavour

[Merlyn]

Okay. I'm going to stick with my gut reads on Ari and Hero, that makes PoE for me Bella or Implo. So that's where I'm voting today.

[implosion]

I think for me it’d be between hero and Bella for today but I am increasingly feeling like hero is the best lim while brooding on it. The main reason I’ve felt hero is town is because of effort that would have to go in to a performance but I think I might be overly projecting that doing something like that would be really difficult for me to do as scum while it might not be as hard for someone with the right personality.

Bella right now feels sort of unagendad for scum, which is not a great reason and I should audit my reasons for thinking she’s town soon

[implosion]

I do agree the game is sort of lethargic right now, I think it’s partially rl stuff for me but also I think it’s sort of natural for the game to sputter out after Titus flipped town.

I do think part of it though ari is that I and I think others said we wanted to know how you’re feeling but you haven’t been super forthcoming since then

[implosion]

I am pretty much ruling Ari out as scum and hopefully that won't be a big mistake. What if we'd taken her up on the reverse BoP idea?

I could get behind an implo lim. It's so weird he's alive. He didn't want to do the BoP idea. Drew was scumreading him.

Regarding this: I do agree it’s weird that I’m alive. I honestly think I’d have been more likely to go along with the bop idea if I were scum (I probably still wouldn’t based on what I know of myself but etc), I fucking hate being mislimmed and it’s not like agreeing to a bop shot is signing a contract, and I kind of assumed you’d be calling me scum for not going along with it after the way you asked and it’s annoying since I do think you’re probably town.

I don’t claim to know why drew was shot but I don’t think he was scumreading me? At least not for a while

[Merlyn]

ARGHHHHH Every time you come back and post I start tr'ing you again

[Merlyn]

Ari, who are you leaning towards?

[Merlyn]

In fact, I'd love to hear Bella and Hero too. Who are you leaning towards? Do you have any hard town reads? Let's get some content on the board.

[Aristeia]

in my heart of hearts I really just want to flip hero [I don't care how many times I readflip on him]

[Hero at Heart]

ok wtf

that implo progression on me caught me off guard

like i do think scum implo would push me here, but the way he is going about pushing me sounds genuine.

ughhhh idk

[Hero at Heart]

In fact, I'd love to hear Bella and Hero too. Who are you leaning towards? Do you have any hard town reads? Let's get some content on the board.

i was leaning towards implo but his recent posts make me want to not play this game because he's the only scum candidate that makes sense to me but he's so towny.

honestly you are both the one i least want to lim and also the one i most want to lim right now.

i am actually pretty confident about town!ari.

still unsure about bella, her defense was a bit dull.

Also, wine

sorry i forgot to ask, what does that mean?

Like, my reads have been boring af

yes that's exactly why i am sus of you. they are just boring and i can see scum using that to blend in.

[Hero at Heart]

list of people from who i want to lim most to i want to lim least:

implo <--- good lim
bella
merlyn
ari
hero <--- bad lim

list of people by how towny they are:

hero <--- towniest
implo
merlyn
ari
bella <--- least towny

list of people by how scummy they are:

merlyn <--- scummiest
ari
hero
bella
implo <--- least scummy


is this consistent? well it looks like it on a surface level. but if someone is neither towny or scummy (bella) it just means they are null. if someone is both towny and scummy (merlyn) they are probably just town.

if someone is town by day play and scum by mech (implo), then i don't know if it's a good idea to let them live to elo.

also if you are asking yourself why i'm confident on ari town when she's not that towny, it's because i don't think ari's townplay is very towny by the metrics i use to judge towniness. and i do think she would be more towny and less scummy if she was scum.

[Hero at Heart]

oh and also literally everyone here is towny. if someone here wasn't towny then they'd be dead yesterday instead of titus.

[Hero at Heart]

is this consistent? well it looks like it on a surface level

that should read "inconsistent" lol

[Bellaphant]

Wine was I was drunk.

Also, wasn't really a defence, did actually want to engage with you about what I asked.

[Hero at Heart]

Is there enough people that people do agree on to have not hero, Ari or mala in the coalition?

bella why are you sring me all of a sudden?

@hero, I'm not really, I'm talking about one we could agree on? I dunno, I still like dats' suggestion

i just read this again and i'm actually struggling to understand that thought process as town.

were you trying to get a town coalition or were you merely trying to get a coalition people could agree on? because i feel excluding the three you wanted to exclude is definitely a way to get a compromise coaltion "people can agree on" with zero success chances. idk if it's just me.

also the "still like dats' suggestion" feels a bit like a slip, because he only suggested it after i asked you why you wanted a coalition without me. it's like the littlest slip ever, but right now everyone is so townie i have to look under the rug to find anything scummy.

would like the rest of you to also check that and make sure i'm not hallucinating.

[Hero at Heart]

Anyway, re mer: I think right now mer would be a really low info kill, which in some ways is helpful to scum, but I feel like if that's what they wanted, killing them nighr one would've been more helpful? Ths felt same levels of info but more lim-able?

well basically i think ths stopped being limmable after std flipepd scum, there was no world where these two were partnered (imo).

merlyn is and has always been somewhat limmable but never the most limworthy person.