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[DragonEater70]

VC 3.01

Votecount 3.01

Naerys (3):

Gamma Emerald, pisskop, Flavor Leaf

davesaz (2):

Titus, Naerys

Not Voting (6):

Hu Tao, camelCasedSnivy, Save The Dragons, Celebloki, gob, davesaz

With 11 players alive, it takes 6 votes to secure an elimination.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2023-10-31 00:36:19).

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[davesaz]

this pair of posts.

Here's what I see. Celebloki seems to know that heip didn't "slip" and is making all kinds of excuses for delaying getting onto it "hoping there will be a defense", but at the same time is doing a weird steering thing. Like no defense, here's what should have been said, but now the cat's out of the bag so it isn't useful as a defense any more. It's kind of a soft touch but seems manipulative to me.

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I owe someone an annoyed vote over making an intentional pagetop post, but now it's too late. Next time.

[Titus]

if scum dont have a blocker, then Hu Tao is guiltied scum.

what did I miss?

i shot at Hu Tao last night.

I don

[Titus]

I don't need a massclaim to infer scum have a blocker and or healer. A gunsmith plus loyal vig needs some defense. There's doc, jailer, roleblocker all in play.

[Titus]

Dann was gonna check Titus, but I opened my mouth and got rid of my main suspect as a target

Thank you. I hate being conftown.

[Flavor Leaf]

even if i was blocked, still doesn't make Hu tao town, though

[Flavor Leaf]

if anything, i think it's better to err on the side that Hu tao is scum rather than err on them being town.

Like same level as Naerys/Pisskop/Dave at the least.

[davesaz]

Are town docs not a thing any more?

[davesaz]

I don't see one protecting Hu Tao, but leaving possibilities out gives me a sour taste, like machos that are too spicy.

[Flavor Leaf]

they are, and Hu Tao could have been protected.


hu Tao can still be scum who got docced, though.

im more just advocating for this as a possibility so it doesn't get lost and something comes out and auto towns Hu Tao and they coast. hu Tao is slippery. Don't let them slip if they are scum.

I think there's merit to Hu tao scum, but just spending some time making sure that point gets across so we dont get to like Day 5 and go 'oh hu tao got docc'd, must mean town' cuz it doesnt auto make them town in that scenario.

[Flavor Leaf]

like a town doctor targeting ScumTao the same scenario happens.

I feel like for some reason Hu Tao's getting a pass, and on a gamestate level, that just feels off to me.

if anything they should be neutral, not a free pass.

[Flavor Leaf]

hilarious possibility: scum doctor protected town hu tao. lol

[pisskop]

Scum doc was a thought I had

[pisskop]

but - if youre a loyal vig then what are they doccing from?

[Flavor Leaf]

but - if youre a loyal vig then what are they doccing from?

Dannfloor

[davesaz]

Just a yes/no for now -- was there any discussion in the hood about N2 targets?

[Flavor Leaf]

Snivy BP claim, if true, town doesnt really need a Doc, might be rough for a scum team unless they have a strongman.

i would say if scum have a doc that targeted Hu TaoTown, they didnt mean to protect Hu Tao town. They just did it for security's sake on a track or something.

[Flavor Leaf]

Just a yes/no for now -- was there any discussion in the hood about N2 targets?

yeah, talked about it earlier. Dann was going to go Titus, I thought Naerys was a better choice, basically it.

[Flavor Leaf]

and thats why i didnt shoot naerys

[Titus]

like a town doctor targeting ScumTao the same scenario happens.

I feel like for some reason Hu Tao's getting a pass, and on a gamestate level, that just feels off to me.

if anything they should be neutral, not a free pass.

Yes. It's null.

[pisskop]

dont mistake me, Id be okay with a hu elim too

[Flavor Leaf]

like a town doctor targeting ScumTao the same scenario happens.

I feel like for some reason Hu Tao's getting a pass, and on a gamestate level, that just feels off to me.

if anything they should be neutral, not a free pass.

Yes. It's null.

exactly, on that level of it. Now, when I think about play wise, I dont have reasons to town read Hu tao other than tone, so that leans scum.

I'm biased cuz I chose to shoot there, of course.

I'm also kind of using it as a clutch to see where people choose to sit on that fence. we were hard stalled, so thought it was as useful as anything else right now.

[davesaz]

Right, but was your target discussed? Trying to check if scum would know that blocking you could give a fake guilty.

Comparing to a recent scum game Hu seems really different to me.

[Flavor Leaf]

Case wise, I think the Celebloki case holds the most weight.

[Flavor Leaf]

Right, but was your target discussed? Trying to check if scum would know that blocking you could give a fake guilty.

Comparing to a recent scum game Hu seems really different to me.

I didnt discuss my target, so Snivy couldn't have known if scum.