Mini Normal 2316 | Halloween | Endgame

[DragonEater70]

I say this without a vote because I've been told I'm tunneling and I want to hear your opinions first.

[Enchant]

I have no idea, but i want to help investigation!

This is Wiz previous game.

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[TheHoldSteady]

I started going through the list of ISOs in alphabetical order to see if anything sticks out.

Annie I don't really feel too strongly about either way. Which is...different? When we were town together last time I felt him as town pretty quickly.

[TheHoldSteady]

I looked again at Annie's town ISO in 2311 and his ISO here and I felt like his ISO in 2311 was layered with moments of town-spewing train of thought that I'm not picking up on here. And also wasn't afraid there to "bash heads" with another player if he thought they were making a play he found subpar. I'm not discounting him as scum here.

[TheHoldSteady]

I'm not feeling too strongly opiniated on anything thus far. Smiley is probably town, though. Guess its still early and we'll see what develops.

[TheHoldSteady]

VOTE: Enchant

[TheHoldSteady]

I’m not opposed to y’all pressuring them to get us more info.

Ya'll? Why don't you pressure me yourself? You definitely seem more hesitant this game to step on any toes.

[Enchant]

VOTE: TheHoldSteady

[DragonEater70]

I started going through the list of ISOs in alphabetical order to see if anything sticks out.

Annie I don't really feel too strongly about either way. Which is...different? When we were town together last time I felt him as town pretty quickly.

That's my point, his posting feels very neutral in a way that reminds me of his behavior in ELo in his last scumgame.

[DragonEater70]

VOTE: Enchant

That's a weird vote after you make a pretty convincing case on Ani.

[TheHoldSteady]

VOTE: Enchant

That's a weird vote after you make a pretty convincing case on Ani.

I just want to drag this slot out of the burrows a little more.

[TheHoldSteady]

I feel like Enchant becomes easier to read the more they talk so I'm alright voting them a bit to get them going.

[AnimatedWiz]

I’m not opposed to y’all pressuring them to get us more info.

Ya'll? Why don't you pressure me yourself? You definitely seem more hesitant this game to step on any toes.

In the same paragraph that quote is taken from, I state that I don’t think you’re scummy then—I’m fine with them pressuring you if it helps them figure you out and focus on someone with a better case against them. Why vote someone back to E-2 if I have several other scumreads ahead of them.

Plus, I would say spending like 10 posts in a row debating with DragonEater about how I think him and Wartortle are scummy isn’t being hesitant to step on toes, nor is sharing a theory about Naerys sheeping multiple people.

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: Hu Tao

Do something interesting

-A

I literally just asked everyone's scum read. This feels fake to me

[Hu Tao]

Hm… if everyone else is not seeing Wartortle’s opener as being scummy, I suppose I’ll have to put my push to the side for now.

VOTE: Hu Tao, since a bit of pressure on a slot with two total posts (literally less than 1% of all posts so far) is likely a good move to generate content.

Actually this is worse. Reminds me of last game when you were scum.

VOTE: wiz

Explaining your vote like that is more likely to come from scum because they want self validation.

[TheHoldSteady]

I’m not opposed to y’all pressuring them to get us more info.

Ya'll? Why don't you pressure me yourself? You definitely seem more hesitant this game to step on any toes.

In the same paragraph that quote is taken from, I state that I don’t think you’re scummy then—I’m fine with them pressuring you if it helps them figure you out and focus on someone with a better case against them. Why vote someone back to E-2 if I have several other scumreads ahead of them.

Plus, I would say spending like 10 posts in a row debating with DragonEater about how I think him and Wartortle are scummy isn’t being hesitant to step on toes, nor is sharing a theory about Naerys sheeping multiple people.

ahh, i'll look at your debate with dragoneater more closely when i have time. as for the theory about naerys, it seemed like you went out of your way in 248 to soften the impact as soon as someone showed signs of disagreement rather than defending it, which again feels like a subtle attempt to avoid conflict

[OutWorldER]

That said I'm also a little bit weird on Naerys at this point as I find it strange that she brings up post 20 as her reason for SRing Wartortle but only started pushing that read recently. I don't feel like that lines up with Naerys own opening in 39 and 41.

Hm, I would like to share a theory of mine: I think Naerys’s read changing on Wartortle is likely due to 216, since it’s the only post before hers to directly mention 20 at all. We know her read on him changed because in 68 she agreed with him enough to change her vote accordingly.

If this is the case, it likely means one of these two possibilities is true:

a) She saw my post and honestly thought it a convincing case in addition to everything else said on Wartortle, and thus switched her tune on him—in this case, her flipping her reads when other people present counter arguments likely means she is struggling to properly sort anyone out yet.

b) She saw that I was townreading her earlier in 160 and is hoping to get a pocket on me by sheeping my reads. I think that this would make the most sense out of the two options if we take 199 as a correct observation.

VOTE: AnimatedWiz

So I’m getting the sense that you don’t agree with my theory—all fine and good.

As just a general principle I do not like when players try to speak for other players and consider anti-town at the best of times because if the player you're speaking for is scum then they just get to hide behind whatever explanation you gave them and if the player is town then you're more likely to piss them off and get into a shitfight over it.

It does not help that your "theory" reads a lot like you actively shading Naerys without actually committing to a read on the slot. It reads like scum poisoning the well rather than a town that's solving.

[usesPython]

Also not a huge fan of Python, they point out Naerys vote on the THS wagon but I feel like their own vote they made their isn't much better, really haven't been a fan of any of their votes past RVS tbh.

Our problem with Naerys isn't that she voted for THS but that her vote feels like it was made to say anything at all about wartle who she was sheeping

This doesn't really refute the point I was making that your own vote on the THS wagon isn't really much better as you just naked voted in the middle of page 5. Talk me through 106, why did you vote there, was it just sheeping Wartortle?

wartle spittin on page 3 fr fr

VOTE: THS

I thought it was obvious we were sheeping wartles page 3 THS case

[usesPython]

VOTE: Hu Tao

Do something interesting

-A

I literally just asked everyone's scum read. This feels fake to me

Your ISO was just a "hi" and a "who's everyone scumreading", literally negative info on your slot

[SmileyDude1]

As a member of the town, I am interested in everyone's biggest scumread at the moment

I would say at the moment its Naerys for me.

I lean more town on Hold now in light of their response, and given that, I feel like Naerys vote on that wagon was the most opportunistic to me.

VOTE: Naerys

[SmileyDude1]

@Smileydude1

Besides THS, who do you town read right now?

Right now my top townreads are Python and Wartortle. Would put Dragon and Hold right behind them

[TheHoldSteady]

VOTE: Enchant

That's a weird vote after you make a pretty convincing case on Ani.

You've gone back and forth through this thread on whether you think I'm town or scum without making as firm a stance as everyone else and honestly, with this post it makes me worried you're still fence-sitting while also nudging me in a dour direction towards voting Wiz.

[BlackStar]

I’m not opposed to y’all pressuring them to get us more info.

Ya'll? Why don't you pressure me yourself? You definitely seem more hesitant this game to step on any toes.

In the same paragraph that quote is taken from, I state that I don’t think you’re scummy then—I’m fine with them pressuring you

if it helps them figure you out

and focus on someone with a better case against them. Why vote someone back to E-2 if I have several other scumreads ahead of them.

Plus, I would say spending like 10 posts in a row debating with DragonEater about how I think him and Wartortle are scummy isn’t being hesitant to step on toes, nor is sharing a theory about Naerys sheeping multiple people.

Are you saying that you don’t need to figure him out?

[SmileyDude1]

I'd say I vibe with OWER's recent posting as well.

AnimatedWiz, i'm somewhat neutral about right now. Like i'm not sensing anything right now that strikes me as unpure about their posting, but i'm not really getting anything that strikes as town either. Might take a deeper look on them at some point if I have time.

[BlackStar]

@Smileydude1

Besides THS, who do you town read right now?

Right now my top townreads are Python and Wartortle. Would put Dragon and Hold right behind them

Why do you have Python so high up?