Open 889 | Secrets of the Anuket Topaz | fin.

[Dannflor]

VC 3.2

Return of the Obra Dinn

Save The Dragons [2]:

jjh927, Andresvmb

Andresvmb [2]:

Prism, T3

imaginality [1]:

Save The Dragons

Not Voting [5]:

Ydrasse, gob, Lazy Shirou, Firebringer, imaginality

With 10 on-board, it takes 6 to force someone to walk the plank. Day 3 ends in (expired on 2023-11-09 13:16:15).

Mod Notes:

[Prism]

That's a great vote spread. I wonder what Andres and Dragons have to say about the other. Maybe I shouldn't get my hopes up: one is infamously reticent, and the other openly punting all responsibility to a third party.

[Prism]

I guess the fact Andres is voting there suffices for now, but I'm not sold the stakes are sufficiently high yet.

[Prism]

I am pretty torn. On the one hand, skimming back through Andres has me thinking that I should go back on Dragons. I still really do not like Dragon's progression on camel.

On the other, I still think that camel's defense of gob/Andres, usually in conjunction, was very weird and suggests one is scum. Of the two I'd lean Andres, but perhaps I am too ready to read town intent into gob's uncertainty and confusion.

[Prism]

Being able to read Ydrasse would make my life so much easier, but I'm too bad at the game.

[Prism]

Since my previous posts (aside from the one liner) I looked again at the time line and yeah my Prism-gob paranoia was probably indeed just paranoia. Although of the two, I still feel a bit wary of gob individually.

...

Town: jjh, Shirou, T3, Prism
Lean scum: gob, Ydrasse

I get that the Prism/gob speculation died and the timeline criticism eased. Can you explain why it moved me all the way up to town? I'd also appreciate an update with where your reads are at.

[jjh927]

I mean, Gob popping up with outlandish takes and repeating the same crap from day 1 to defend STD kinda feels like STD might just be correct

[jjh927]

At the very least, the magic of this setup is that you can name 3 names at this point in game and get one of them wrong

[jjh927]

WOULD LIM
Camel
T3
JJH
Imaginality
Andres

Scum?
Save The Dragons
camelCasedSnivy
Shirou
Titus

camel is the one who is in both of your lists. I also saw Prism scumreading Camel before. I've felt camel was solvey day 1. This past day though I feel like they have just been messing around.

There's just kinda
a lot of the people I am referring to as sheepie sleepies and each day you don't know which one of them is going to pop up and make a post that says nothing

If we start compromising to form wagons then some of them might start making naked votes, but I think that just takes us back to how we got the Alisae elimination

I'm gonna hold fast on Camel. No compromising from me

Would you like to have a real-time discussion with me about some players?

This is interesting actually

Kinda getting the feeling gob didn't want a camel wagon but didn't have any strong opinions on camel

[jjh927]

We’re 100% never fading STD today.

camelCasedSnivy, Shirou, Ydrasse, Alisae, Prism

this probably has scum on back end (alisae, prism)

jjh927 is also pretty towny

imginality i think just plays like that so i don't think they're scummy anymore

camel is pretty scummy for what i posted before

I still stand by what I said about the StD wagon. camelCasedSnivy, Shirou, Ydrasse, Alisae, Prism

This probably does have one scum. I'd say camel or Alisae. Prism, idk they're weird. We'll see.

I think Alisae’s ISO is Scummy actually. I know they’re A LOT more competent than their ISO makes it seem like they are, and they read to me like they don’t care too much what happens here.

What about Alisae's ISO did you not like? I felt they came into the thread and fluffed it up, but they were still jumping onto the StD wagon.

i think gob, andres, shirou are all town and ydrasse + firebringer are in my probably town tier

Okay I see, you're town. I agree with everything except ydrasse.

Okay sick, I'm caught up.

Yea looking at the thread state, this is what I think.

town
camelCasedSnivy
Save The Dragons
Shirou
Ydrasse
Andresvmb
jjh927
Prism
Firebringer
T3
imaginality
Alisae
scum

null: patchwork

[]
[gob]
[Ydrasse, STD, Shirou, Andres]
[patchwork, Prism, FIrebringer]
[imaginality] ---------- NULL LINE
[jjh, Alisae]
[camel]

VOTE: camel

That's a lot of players in my nulltown tier

Why camel? Seems to be a slot that received a bunch of shade today

Collection of interesting earlygame posts

[jjh927]

So uh, on camel we have


-Scum on backend of std wagon (pointing away from camel)
-Suddenly, camel is scum for what gob posted earlier (which does not exist because the prior posted quote is the only earlier commentary on camel) and is a plausible option for scum on the std wagon
-gob reads 2 posts from before, the latter of which contains camel's reads and then he's like yep that's town now because he agrees with the reads

From there and into day 2, the sparse camel related posts all basically seem to be conversing with people who scumread camel and trying to get them to do other things


Meanwhile, very much worth returning to how gob thought there was exactly 1 scum on the std wagon initially and still believes it can't be a wagon on scum even though the first vote came from a scum rvs vote that would not have expected a wagon

I think it's a gob/std scumteam

[imaginality]

I can see gob with camel but less sure on std because it seems maybe a bit risky to let camel escape before std?

[imaginality]

Since my previous posts (aside from the one liner) I looked again at the time line and yeah my Prism-gob paranoia was probably indeed just paranoia. Although of the two, I still feel a bit wary of gob individually.

...

Town: jjh, Shirou, T3, Prism
Lean scum: gob, Ydrasse

I get that the Prism/gob speculation died and the timeline criticism eased. Can you explain why it moved me all the way up to town? I'd also appreciate an update with where your reads are at.

You got promoted to town based on vibes - in that whereas earlier I'd found it hard to get a sense of how I read your posts (they felt pro town but in a way that could come from town or from skilled scum), but that later passage of play felt like you were responding genuinely to me. It also felt like it would have been a good time to push me harder if you were scum and thought my reasons were bad, whereas you disagreed in a more open way. Gob on the other hand even though I was wrong on that particular point, I got scummier vibes from how he interacted with me.

My reads are a bit fucked after scumreading both the lims. My confidence is low and I'm secondguessing myself about who else I'm wrong about one way or the other.

Townlean:
Prism
Jjh

Unsure:

Shirou (not sure Shirou bothers to vote me for bad reasons end of D2 if he knows I'm town as well as Titus - could have reflected badly on him if I were limmed)
T3 - need to reread more
Fire (hasn't triggered any alarms but I don't feel particularly confident enough to call him town)
Andres - I remember some D2 posts seemed not great but I haven't dug back into it yet
SavetheDragons - like I say, I'm not sure camel leaves before StD (unless maybe there's some juicy associatives with StD; if there is it'd probably be someone defending him/steering attention away from him at the times it seemed his wagon could build to a lim... will try to look into that)

Scumlean:
Ydrasse
gob

[Lazy Shirou]

I don't think it's gob 99,9% of the time

The way he was telling us to fuck off in day 1 and doing his own thing was very town in my opinion

This push on him feels like scum trying to wide the pool

[jjh927]

Have you read gob's one scumgame

[Lazy Shirou]

You want stuff that looks like actual associatives?

I individually vaguely town lean T3 but here you go:

actually yeah patchwork is probably right also im voting T3

UNVOTE: Save The Dragons

VOTE: T3

actually im stiil interested in T3 wagon

if I'm not mistaken T3 had a wagon and it just kinda disappeared? like why cant we bring it back to life

i feel like a flip switched inside of me

stop being fickle and start being right

does anyone have a solve

What is the point of asking this question

this is my only non-gob quote

to see if there's any votes to sheep

thats quite a few nullslots

other than T3 town i suppose it makes sense

speaking of which, {jjh927, std, andres, imaginality} are in my poe,

i could compromise on {T3, Prism}

but i dont think we'll get there

[Lazy Shirou]

Now look at the way T3 voted Camel but also backed off after some arguing

[jjh927]

As Dannflor wisely said in that game

I’ve read games with town gob before and he can certainly make real reads, real gut reads based off people’s behavior and actions

There’s a startling lack of that from gob this game

[Lazy Shirou]

what is the distinction between "town that doesn't really know what they're doing" and "pretending to be clueless scum"

I do not buy this.

VOTE: camel

Also I'm going to be more active from now on - I got a bit discouraged earlier and focused more on a game offsite

All-in-all I still want to vote him.

man T3 dont pretend to know my townrange or scumrange

I'm not even scumreading you for that lol

tbh the logic of 2216 probably wasn't quite sound. Or maybe I explained my point unclearly wrt the scum and townranges.

UNVOTE:

[Lazy Shirou]

T3 v Camel interactions definitely feel like distancing

They seem to have cognitive load on each other but don't really wanna commit to voting each other

Camel said that someone town reads made sense "except town!T3" but said he could only "compromise" on T3 later

[jjh927]

I think T3 is an example of a town player going off and doing their own thing, which can be contrasted with gob who does appear to be doing his own thing but has quite possibly not voted for scum in the entire game

[jjh927]

You're putting way too much stock in shit camel said and not enough focus on the living slots

None of camel's reads actually made sense and if you go down that rabbit hole it'll be full of whatever the hell you want to find

[Lazy Shirou]

I wasn't keen on trying hard today to lead on anyone and still ain't, but if you're going to post about gob, which Camel publicly said "he felt a duty to defend" and "sell me on this wagon it can't be that bad since shirou is on it", I think I may as well address my own tinfoil theory which is T3.

[Lazy Shirou]

I think T3 is an example of a town player going off and doing their own thing, which can be contrasted with gob who does appear to be doing his own thing but has quite possibly not voted for scum in the entire game

Why do you think scum would absolutely never vote for scum here if the most important thing after a D1 mislim is to ensure one scum can endgame?

I would definitely do some bussing here in the right moments to gain town credit and endgame later as scum

I don't think voting scum for such a short period of time like T3 did even counts either

[jjh927]

I don't think the scumteam is particularly advanced in that regard