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Scum have brains and can find these implications themselves, and we know they have day talk so they can discuss role spec in their PT instead of out in the open
Scum have brains and can find these implications themselves, and we know they have day talk so they can discuss role spec in their PT instead of out in the open
In post 277, davesaz wrote:
I need solid townreads this game, much more solid than typical for me*. They need to be my reads, not merely consensus. Black's approach looks towny. I'd be hard pressed to remember anyone else who has even made an impression, though a big part of that has to do with RL distractions so I don't mean any offense by it.
*A bit of self meta that should be verifiable by almost anyone who has played multiple games with me, I pretty much never lock anyone, especially in the case where a bunch of people say it's obv and I don't see it.
Ok. Think about this. Roden's probably froze and scum are hoping for a distraction.
What game have we ever played where I was frozen??
In post 346, Black wrote:
What do you even mean "mafia have something more important to think about"? It's a page 1 vote
It just doesn't seem like something a scum would think about. I find that town usually does the "extra shit" as in thinking stuff that is pointless but they do it anyway because they have free time.
In post 333, gob wrote:
Crazy how my two biggest townreads are the two most popular wagon candidates.
Who's the other btw
Drew. I'm less strong on Drew but im still against voting them today.
In post 341, davesaz wrote:
How are they stronger town than those who are actively working to discover alignments and solve the game?
Like, I am with Dave here. I don't understand the scum reads on me, but I also don't know how you can call me strong town(unless you are super familiar with me, it is easy to see I am town here).
But, not sure why Gob of all people is so confident.
Titus draws attention to me and then pops in to link me to Drew with no real explanation. At the time, Drew was taking a bit of heat, so anyone who was getting bad vibes off of Drew would then associate them with me as well. Titus has no public opinion of Drew besides this link, so it doesn't look like a real read to me.
In post 277, davesaz wrote:
I need solid townreads this game, much more solid than typical for me*. They need to be my reads, not merely consensus. Black's approach looks towny. I'd be hard pressed to remember anyone else who has even made an impression, though a big part of that has to do with RL distractions so I don't mean any offense by it.
*A bit of self meta that should be verifiable by almost anyone who has played multiple games with me, I pretty much never lock anyone, especially in the case where a bunch of people say it's obv and I don't see it.
Ok. Think about this. Roden's probably froze and scum are hoping for a distraction.
Titus has played with me for a couple years now and knows that I don't really freeze as either alignment, especially not from what was just a light amount of pressure. She's attempting to discredit my slot that would affect it whether I come back or get replaced. And it's worth pointing out now as well that when I asked her for examples of me freezing during a game we played together, she didn't respond. She was desperate to get me out and is annoyed that I pointed it out.
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Post #529 (isolation #19) » Sat Nov 04, 2023 8:46 am
Postby Roden »
In post 513, Titus wrote:
I don't see Roden asking for examples of him freezing in another game like his last post suggests. I don't need examples of him freezing in the past to seee he's freezing here. There's no interaction w anyone else's posts.
"I don't need to prove that my accusations hold water"
In post 521, davesaz wrote:
I think Alisae has too many TRs for only 20 pages, and some of them might be people I'd say have too little content to read at all.
town but wtf kind of take is this???????
I had to go back and re-read your list. Drew for example, IMO hasn't really said anything that's AI.
That is your opinion
What do you find AI about Drew? A lot of his posts feel dry to me.
In post 521, davesaz wrote:
I think Alisae has too many TRs for only 20 pages, and some of them might be people I'd say have too little content to read at all.
town but wtf kind of take is this???????
I had to go back and re-read your list. Drew for example, IMO hasn't really said anything that's AI.
That is your opinion
What do you find AI about Drew? A lot of his posts feel dry to me.
ok
Not really a question where "ok" makes sense as an answer
In post 614, Black wrote:
Well now that Crescent has claimed I think it makes even more since to fade her today
Only if we think they are mafia.
At least 3 of us do
I don't think we should run anyone else up to a claim so I'll probably be parking my vote on Crescent
Like the fact that everyone saw this and thought "yeah this is a townie thought process that townies tend to have every game" is earning so much side eye right now
Early VT claims historically come from town and that isn't exactly hidden trivia
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Post #692 (isolation #26) » Mon Nov 06, 2023 10:51 am
Postby Roden »
In post 568, pisskop wrote:
What makes you think they are town? A quick iso shows what I could term as 'mediation' and not really anything I can pull up later and say 'yup, this is what SS thought'
I feel like there's been hesitance from this player list to try to read Smart because of his "neutral sideline commentary" playstyle, but for me I'm trying to read him through the lens of how he plays. Like yes there's mediation and he feels isolated in relation in everyone else, but he's also very clearly engaged with the game and seems to care about what's going on. And I think it would be pretty easy for him to try to control the narrative from his position, but I haven't seem him do anything like that. Nor do I see him talking just to talk, there has been intention with the things he says.
Titus I don't even know what you're scum reading me for at this point, or why you've linked me to certain players for your D1 solve
The reason I even town read you at the start of the game was because you felt very similar to viewtopic.php?t=89536&hilit=Datisi, where you were convinced I was scum and kept fighting to be right instead of just solving.
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Post #864 (isolation #31) » Thu Nov 09, 2023 3:44 pm
Postby Roden »
In post 862, davesaz wrote:
I can't help feeling that gob has been trying to bait attention from the cop, if there is one. I said already that I flat don't understand his play here, at all.
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Post #960 (isolation #39) » Fri Nov 10, 2023 4:02 pm
Postby Roden »
In post 918, Psyche wrote:
I really hate fakeclaiming. Seems particular harmful to fakeclaim cop in a setup like this. What would gob have done if someone had CC'd him? Say "woops sry" and go on w/o any shame? But otoh it's hard to see mafia doing something that irresponsible either, even accounting for the traitor tell rationale.
In post 928, Roden wrote:
I really wish Dunn didn't die, that was pretty much my only lock town read
do you have any other somewhat-townreads? and what was the basis of you townreading
Dunn
?
My reason for town reading Dunn will probably make his eyes roll to the back of his head in the dead thread. He was active and engaged with the game right from the start and never dropped his activity. Scum!Dunn tends to drop off and focus more on quelling the suspicions of people who scum read him.
My town leans atm are Crescent, Dave, Gob, and Smart.
In post 42, Dannflor wrote:
davesaz is the only slot that has posted so far that i feel is greater than rand to be scum
This is an example of what gob thinks is scum indicative -- giving a reason that isn't actually a reason.
i think dunnstral's opening was very easy to hop on and you did so without actually digging into what was alignment indicative about it
you just kinda shouted "gross" and voted dunn which feels a little performative and not like you actually care about what dunn's alignment is or showing other people what dunn's alignment might be
In post 42, Dannflor wrote:
davesaz is the only slot that has posted so far that i feel is greater than rand to be scum
This is an example of what gob thinks is scum indicative -- giving a reason that isn't actually a reason.
i think dunnstral's opening was very easy to hop on and you did so without actually digging into what was alignment indicative about it
you just kinda shouted "gross" and voted dunn which feels a little performative and not like you actually care about what dunn's alignment is or showing other people what dunn's alignment might be
Using pregame replacement spec is scummy, full stop.
can you elucidate why you think this is something more likely to come from a red role pm rather than a green role pm?
"using pregame replacement spec is scummy" is actually something that requires some elaboration and I'd like to see some depth of thought here because it looked like to me dunnstral was trying to drive the game forward, and while I think he could've entered the game with that analysis as scum there is nothing that indicates to me that was more likely to be the case
In post 235, Dunnstral wrote:
Seems a bit too easy for Doctor Drew to be mafia. They aren't exactly hiding that they aren't doing much.
Dunnstral you havent been doing too much either. What's that about?
I don't have a scumread.
I want to think this post is towny but maybe I just appreciate the restraint.
I think it actually is towny though, iirc scum-Dunn kinda likes to control the game?
These are the only posts that are even vaguely positive about Dunn, though Dann scum read him later anyway.
Also after looking back, I find it funny that Black is riding Dunn's last minute read on me so hard even though she hard scum read him and kept arguing with him for the entire Day phase.
There's a couple posts that indicate he's thinking about the game deeper than surface level. I took a second glance at your iso and you have a couple as well
In post 1061, Roden wrote:
Also after looking back, I find it funny that Black is riding Dunn's last minute read on me so hard even though she hard scum read him and kept arguing with him for the entire Day phase.
Like this is so far from the truth and it implies that Roden isn't paying attention to my slot at all. Normally I feel like this type of misrep would more likely come from town but this post comes right after Alisae starts mulling over whether or not I could be scum and it just feels like shade to push that thought forward
Are you seriously trying to argue that my post has suspicious timing when I've been consistently arguing that your takes have been bad for most of the game
Also I have no idea how you have the gall to claim "misrep" when you DID scum read Dunn and you DID argue with and discredit him throughout Day 1
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Post #1247 (isolation #54) » Mon Nov 13, 2023 1:41 pm
Postby Roden »
In post 1151, Dannflor wrote:
the roden slot I just don't like how they treated titus and the "omg titus has been obv scum since 24 hours since the game started" still rings as so fake in my mind
Ok and for what gain, exactly? The other slots that were taking heat flipped town.
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Post #1250 (isolation #56) » Mon Nov 13, 2023 1:44 pm
Postby Roden »
Why is it that every other slot in the game is being read with nuance and I'm being treated like I'm bad scum with level zero thoughts who bonks people with sticks
were TvT early in the game and several posts henceafter show you think otherwise. Can you explain thay progression?
Because Titus screamed I was scum and did nothing else before getting mod killed before I could even try to reason with her
Black is just annoying and keeps trying to gaslight everyone about her reads. I had no real intention to vote her out today until she pulled that shit.
In post 1251, Roden wrote:
Black is just annoying and keeps trying to gaslight everyone about her reads. I had no real intention to vote her out today until she pulled that shit.
How did I know you would get annoyed yet again at being scumread
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Post #1277 (isolation #59) » Mon Nov 13, 2023 3:53 pm
Postby Roden »
Black's entire case is based on Dunn scum reading me near the end of Day 1 and then getting killed. This is despite her arguing and disagreeing with Dunn while he was alive, and Dunn having no real voting power while he was around and also being suspected by the majority of the player list. Nobody was openly town reading Dunn.
Yet somehow, Black believes this had to be my highest priority target as scum. Not a highly town read player, not an influential player, not a potential PR. And THEN my scum buddy/buddies also have to agree with me that Dunn is the correct kill but then refuse to defend me, even though the entire point of the kill is to raise my survival rate.
