Open 890 - C9++ - Postgame

[KittyTacky]

Meow! I know about half of this list.

VOTE: Not_Mafia

[KittyTacky]

BTW I'm Jester.

[KittyTacky]

Does anyone CC my jest claim?

[KittyTacky]

VOTE: Xegarus
VOTE: camelCasedSnivy
VOTE: biancospino
VOTE: yessiree
VOTE: RCEnigma
VOTE: Aisa
VOTE: Aureal
VOTE: KittyTacky
VOTE: Celebloki
VOTE: Not_Mafia
VOTE: Doctor Drew
VOTE: KatyKimFanClub

Enchant locktown.

Is this serious?

[KittyTacky]

hi

VOTE: Celebloki

I probably deserved first vote. Hello Everyone!

i just vote people i don't usually play with

That's very fair, I mentioned I probably deserved it because the last game I was in was nearly 10 years ago. I bet no one here has played with me lol.

Nice, already got a replacement, to keep wildly arbitrary votes moving along and to welcome our newcomer...

VOTE: DragonEater70

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Welcome back! btw these days we do votes with vote tags and not bold.

[KittyTacky]

Actually nvm I guess I see it

VOTE: KittyTacky

I'm town.

And I'm being wagoned for dicking around during RVS.

[KittyTacky]

Does anyone CC my jest claim?

No of course not, there is no Jester in C9++

[KittyTacky]

Dragon and Drew not paired from that exchange imo, just doesn't feel like scum talk.

[KittyTacky]

I think there's at least 1 scum on the wagon that formed on me.

[KittyTacky]

Before dissolving a bit.

[KittyTacky]

I'm just not feeling RCE scum here.

[KittyTacky]

UNVOTE:

Forgot.

[KittyTacky]

Doc! I feel like we keep crossing paths for really brief periods of time

Re: Dragon sheeping Enchant, I don't understand:
- If there's anything to Enchant's vote beside "Kitty claimed jester and I didn't like that"
- What DragonEater "saw" as the reasoning behind Enchant's vote
- If Dragon is being serious

Do you have a take on any of these things?

Okay let me clarify:

I do not have a serious scumread on Kitty. I think his posts were not very spectacular when I voted him, but it was a semi-RVS vote (or more like 75% RVS).

If I'm being fully honest, I also don't really know what I saw. I guess that maybe as an "RVS-read" I thought that Kitty was trying to avoid engagement and pocket NM? Not sure.

Why would I pocket NM of all people?

[KittyTacky]

Vibes.

[KittyTacky]

No, genuinely I can't say anything about my non-scumread (not even a townread) on RCE except that nothing pinged scum about them.

And well it's just how I play early game. I have trouble focusing at times. I usually solidify a bit later on.

[KittyTacky]

I'm not one to jump on early wagons.

[KittyTacky]

Trouble focusing on deep reads. Reading someone deep enough to have a concrete SR on page 9 is more than I can give rn. But my vibes still work, and they work pretty well from experience.

I dunno if you played with me before, I don't think you did. If you did then I'd scumread you but this is a common reaction to me when first meeting me. I have an unique playstyle.

[KittyTacky]

I don't blame people for blasting me as town sometimes. There's a reason I claim jester as a joke. I'm not good at getting townread as town.

[KittyTacky]

I'm trying.

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Why would I pocket NM of all people?

Is there an implication here I'm missing? Never played with NM before.

NM is widely regarded as an unpredictable troll who isn't too useful as an ally. I mean I defend him sometimes but only D1 because I believe there's usually a better lim than essentially random.

[KittyTacky]

NM is playing rather out of character this game.

[KittyTacky]

KittyTacky (3): RCEnigma, yessiree, camelCasedSnivy

you're voting KittyTacky
is this still an rvs vote? or you're scumreading him? (or you don't have the justification to anyone? )

UNVOTE:

In the words of enchant…

dice = rand chance of being either alignment? or?

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I have a creeping feeling Enchant is talking in rebuses so we focus on solving them instead of solving him.

[KittyTacky]

I checked out some Kitty meta, he could go either way.
Interestingly he talked about his metaq in similar terms in this gam, where he was scum:
viewtopic.php?p=13947699&f=2&t=91698&us ... #p13947699

So if I had to pick maybe I'd say he's scum this game

I am honest about my meta as both alignments. If you dig deeper you can find it.

[KittyTacky]

lol thanks for the consult on emojis everyone <3

KittyTacky claiming that Dragon and Drew are not paired in 115 (not sure how he arrived at this read tbh) seems somewhat in line with !town meta.

I don't think people are that good at balancing how soon they give reads as !town vs !scum.

What do you think the difference between Kitty town and scum metas is?
I have my own outrageous random guess I can share later btw

@KKFC

I'm still interested in getting an answer to this

Sorry, missed this.

First, I don't know Kitty's scum meta at all. I just personally find his entrance to the game to be really close to his entrance in a game where I played with him and he was town. I'm operating with a really small sample size, but as I mentioned, I think these are things (to be specific, the tone and style of the entrance and the willingness to make super early reads and decisions) that are noticeable enough for me to put weight into them even with a single game to compare to.

Thanks!

I think my main message was that I'm not sure that's actually town indicative for him, he could be TMI'ing the read

My outrageous random guess was something like "maybe Kitty just posts less as town" (because he feels less pressure to be seen as productive) but that probably not true lol

I post less when I feel disengaged. Which can happen as either alignment. It takes something grabbing my attention to really kick me into gear.

[KittyTacky]

But I admit it happens more often as town because as scum I usually have a clear goal of who has to die or live for my team to win. As town I'm pretty lost before there's a flip.

[KittyTacky]

I think it's known how I'm lackluster d1.

[KittyTacky]

I checked out some Kitty meta, he could go either way.
Interestingly he talked about his metaq in similar terms in this gam, where he was scum:
viewtopic.php?p=13947699&f=2&t=91698&us ... #p13947699

So if I had to pick maybe I'd say he's scum this game

I am honest about my meta as both alignments. If you dig deeper you can find it.

Can you maybe link a game where you've talked about your meta as town? Seems like it would just take less time than for me to look for it

I'll link several.

Not exactly meta but similar:

I'm mislim bait half the time as town.

Here I say how it's hard for me to back up my reads:

@KT How do you feel about Mo's announcement of a role announcement? Is that factoring into your town read of him and what do you think is the purpose/benefit of it?

I think it's +town, just doesn't "feel" like a scum action imo. It's hard to explain vibe reads for me.

I say how I struggle in stressful situations as town:

I don't like having the fate of the game in my hands so I'd rather sheep people I think are town.

[KittyTacky]

That's an interesting game, Kitty was town and opened that game almost exactly like he opened this game. Mentioned not knowing many people in the list, claimed Jester, talking about not playing a lot D1, talked about pairing or not pairing people. I was almost confused I was reading an ISO of him in this game.

I play day 1 very similarly game to game barring extenuating circumstances.

[KittyTacky]

I was very busy yesterday, a both a hospital visit and a high workload. Will catch up in a bit.

[KittyTacky]

Caught up, no strong opinions, don't like Drew very much so I might go in on that tomorrow after I re-skim again.

[KittyTacky]

My hero play would be Aureal, something seems off from her recent posts.

is this all you're voting aureal for?

No, after I said that......like literally right after the post of mine you quoted.....Aisa said she had some issues with Aureal.

That initially gave me some paranoia about Aisa since she quickly jumped on Aureal, but then saw we had like 3 days till deadline at that point so could see how this plays out.

And apparently it played out to me being scum?

And all because Dragon had a weird way if reading one of my posts......so Dragon and Drew must be buddies!!

And especially coming from some people I have played a bunch of games with, and the one person who looked at my most recent scum game(over easy) and saw differences here in my play, yet two of the three people here from that very game.....still think I am scum......boggles my mind they can have that takeaway.

Sorry, been busy at work and just needed to vent a bit before I am limmed.

Btw, I am VT.....just to get that out of the way.

Hm. VT claim in C9++.

It makes more sense for scum to claim PR here than in a Newbie or the like. But still less than in a fully closed setup. WIFOM still applies. But I'm not sure I trust that claim.

[KittyTacky]

And all because Dragon had a weird way if reading one of my posts......so Dragon and Drew must be buddies!!

...is anyone saying that? I just remember Kitty saying the opposite.

Yeah. Makes no sense.

VOTE: Doctor Drew

[KittyTacky]

I'm for this flip as it gives some info on Dragon who I'm not too sure how to sort.

[KittyTacky]

Camel stole mod pagetop lollll

[KittyTacky]

I think any list that puts NM as anything other than null is dishonest.

[KittyTacky]

I'm for this flip as it gives some info on Dragon who I'm not too sure how to sort.

Is Dragon my VT buddy?

If not, only gonna make Enchant look bad.....and maybe you, your timing is weird since just when the tide seemed to be changing off of me.....you pop in and bring more momentum back onto me

Though Snivy is a sneaky one who nonchalantly joined my wagon

If you know me, I basically don't do "timing" as either alignment. I come in when I'm in the mood to catch up.

[KittyTacky]

And when life allows.

[KittyTacky]

Illuminati confirmed or something
(wait, how did I go back to being a 14 year old? What's going on?)

Nostalgia.

[KittyTacky]

NM is obvious, he's been doing what he's done in every town game of his!

No he wasn't. He is playing unlike both town and scum NM. I'm wary of him rn but I wouldn't hang him today because hanging NM d1 is usually a waste.

[KittyTacky]

If KKFC is scum they're trying to frame me I think.

[KittyTacky]

I realized what's going on.

[KittyTacky]

It's my birthday!

[KittyTacky]

Who tf kills Enchant?

[KittyTacky]

I think there's a vig as I don't think scum kills Enchant.

[KittyTacky]

It's my birthday!

here, have a present. VOTE: Kitty

Yeah thanks.

I think there's a vig as I don't think scum kills Enchant.

Enchant was widely townread thou. honestly I find it weirder to believe that scum would shoot

Drew

Well I just don't see what was townie about Enchant.

[KittyTacky]

I think we should look at KKFC wagon more carefully, it grew fast.

[KittyTacky]

Drew also a weird kill yeah but Enchant is also wacky.

[KittyTacky]

What if there are 2 vigs and scum got roleblocked?

[KittyTacky]

Fair enough.

[KittyTacky]

If KKFC is scum they're trying to frame me I think.

I'm curious what it was KKFC said that made you think he was trying to frame you.

They didn't do much but defend me.

Now that's moot since they were just a kinda scummy townie.

[KittyTacky]

Who tf kills Enchant?

uh, anyone who wants a low info kill?

Enchant is likely to hurt town with that gimmick and would likely have hung.

[KittyTacky]

I thought maybe he was just struggling with the game and didn't replace out for some reason.

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I'm starting to change my mind a bit about Kitty, I was anti-wagon on D1 Kitty because I just didn't see why Enchant didn't like him. Most people seemed to be sheeping Enchant on Kitty. But his framing comment still makes no sense to me. Says that but still conveniently stays off the wagon.

Snivy left the KKFC wagon, but he was sort of mid argument with Drew so that kind of makes sense. But maybe he left to distance from the mis elim. I can't tell if at the time he left it was clear or not KKFC would get elimmed though.

I still can't claim I know what N_M is doing. He's essentially not even in this game and is just taking up a slot.

There's of course you, but you're posting was sparse at the end of D1 and I tend to believe you were more indisposed than the other lurkers at the end of D1.

I almost consider RC to be not part of it because he parked his vote there well before the day end speed

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Finally, I have been town reading Aisa for awhile, but maybe she's completely blind siding me. For now it's easier to keep her town sorted.

I stayed off wagon since I thought Drew was worse. note the "if".

[KittyTacky]

That's what I've asked you yesterDay but it doesn't make much sense that you'd think that. 'Cause for scum!Katy that would be a one-for-one which isn't really beneficial to scum; and he would've to have planned that all along for an utility questionable at best and negative at worst.

Huh? I'm not getting what this means

Put yourself in town!Kitty POV for a sec. The described framing attempt would require Katy to have played with the specific intent to let his red flip implicate Kitty -- 'cause I don't see any other way Katy's lukewarm defense of Kitty could possibly be a framing in any other sense; this framing attempt would need to have been put in place from far before there was any amount of pressure on Katy's slot, so it would have been the original gameplan rather than merely a way to limit damage. Do note how that gameplan would result, if it worked, in one red flip and one green flip -- which is generally

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a favorable exchange for scum, and so not a sensible original gameplan for scum!katy in the POV we're in

I'm a bit prone to that kind of theory. Sometimes I'm right. Usually I'm wrong. I have a very stream-of-consciousness way of posting.

[KittyTacky]

Also I dispute how it would have resulted in Katy's death. I'm limbait. It's not so inconceivable scum could have gotten away with getting me killed.

[KittyTacky]

So I guess the question is what is the motivation for Kitty to even say that?

scum!Kitty: Make it seem like he's on board with KKFC elim while not joining it and keeping his hands clean.

town!Kitty: ? Is there a town reason to make this comment?

Why would scum!me even call attention to it at all?

[KittyTacky]

Also I dispute how it would have resulted in Katy's death. I'm limbait. It's not so inconceivable scum could have gotten away with getting me killed.

I didn't phrase this well (just woke up). Essentially like. Scum!Katy could have decided to make it the plan to pocket me or the like. Without intending to flounder and get killed.

But idk if continuing this line of convo is productive since Katy flipped town.

[KittyTacky]

Looking at RC ISO rn.

[KittyTacky]

Oh my God I just noticed. Haven't been paying attention to those posts. Lol

VOTE: DragonEater70

[KittyTacky]

I'm sorry for Dragon. Dude probably wants to disappear into the ground now.

[KittyTacky]

Well, scum got creamed.

Waiting for popcorning to start to claim.

[KittyTacky]

VT.

I was at a chess tournament sorry.

cCS?

[KittyTacky]

I don't think my death loses us the game but I'm town.

[KittyTacky]

do you have any reads you wanna share?

I have a very tinfoily theory where it's cCS. Does setup talk earlier this day which any alignment can do, the weird mistake where Cele claimed but he didn't see it, the vote on me seems to have been very opportunistic.

There's scum in Cele and cCS and I think Cele has been more transparently townier.

VOTE: cCS

[KittyTacky]

I'm town.

If I die shoot cCS.

[KittyTacky]

Yeah I TR Aureal. I don't see anything scummy from them.

[KittyTacky]

Sometimes NM doesn't ruin the game.

[KittyTacky]

I'm still town but I don't know how to convince anyone of this.

[KittyTacky]

Let's just get it over with. I don't trust myself with deciding in limlo. I think town winrate increases if I do this.

[KittyTacky]

VOTE: KittyTacky

[KittyTacky]

Go fast night. Good luck.

[KittyTacky]

Me too ofc but I saw the writing on the wall, people except me didn't want Snivy.

[KittyTacky]

Well as an aside, this was a lot of fun. I have been away from MS for nearly 10 years and left on sort of a sour note when I did. I recently was thinking about mafia and sort of on a whim /in'ed to this and another game DE is modding. I'm glad I did. Was having so much fun that I joined a third. unfortunately this one ended and I've died in the others so now I am all out of mafia again. Any feedback on m gameplay would be appreciated. I seem to come off scummy in any game I play lol. I struggle to post and constantly doubt what and how I've written my posts. The decision paralysis tends to keep my post count low in games.

I played near constantly for years and I'm still often limbait. People will eventually learn how to read you.



Anyways, gg! Nice that my crackpot theory about Snivy was correct.

[KittyTacky]

I was at a chess tournament

Also woahh that's so cool, how did the tournament go?

Won half lost half. Was alright.

[KittyTacky]

I'm just an inherently scummy player, I am autistic so that doesn't help so uh.

I'm also oddly horrible at D1 and that is true, it usually takes a flip to really get me into a game. I could never do mountainous.

[KittyTacky]

The SK PT is funny lol, thanks Aisa.