Open 892 | Nomination Mafia | Postgame

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The same thing we do every

night

Day

Pinky

Aureal, try to

take over the world

vote you out...

VOTE: Aureal

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I totally signed up to this because they did this mechanic in the traitors! But it's not even worth talking about day two yet, is it?.

I've never played this setup but I feel like it couldn't hurt

I don't know any of this list because I've never played on MafiaScum.Net

dabs

So, I think that we definitely need to decide on a lynch today as there are no nights.
VOTE: Bellaplant
Sometimes when I play mafia/werewolf I get these gut feelings that are accurate 50% of the time. And my gut is telling me Bellaplant is mafia UwU.

Welcome Khaos! We don't use the L-word for eliminations around here. I personally like "fade" but a lot of people use lim

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Whoa, the MS time changed before my phone did. What kind of secret government satellites is this website connected to?!

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Wait we gained an hour didn't we? NVM just ignore me

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Even if it were frowned upon, I'm the Scum Queen. I do what I want

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I don't know any of this list because I've never played on MafiaScum.Net

dabs

So, I think that we definitely need to decide on a lynch today as there are no nights.
VOTE: Bellaplant
Sometimes when I play mafia/werewolf I get these gut feelings that are accurate 50% of the time. And my gut is telling me Bellaplant is mafia UwU.

Welcome to the site!

I believe we have to whether we wanted to or not, though I don't know why we wouldn't want to. There's a plurality rule in effect

Why did I not get welcome?

Welcome! Fwiw I only welcomed Khaos because

he's my scum partner

he announced his arrival

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VOTE: Khaos

this is a serious vote (everybody here will be able to tell you that i'm a very serious person)

idk how to think about jumping on a RVS vote in a small game like this.

Why do you have an issue with sky's vote but not Roulette's?

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VOTE: Khaos

this is a serious vote (everybody here will be able to tell you that i'm a very serious person)

idk how to think about jumping on a RVS vote in a small game like this.

Why do you have an issue with sky's vote but not Roulette's?

I have an issue with it too but i thought saying that would be redundant.

That's fair

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VOTE: aureal

Semi serious vote

Can you elaborate? Her posting so far has been all jokes so I'm not sure what could be pinging you here

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I really didn't like 48? It felt a bit.... deflection? I don't like skygazers resposne either, both feel a bit try hard.

It's vibes, but it isn't nothing

I'm not getting the same vibes I guess. I like the way sky is engaging with the thread and the only thing I find weird about Aureal so far is that she's not trying to pocket me for once in her life. Though I guess that makes sense considering I completely blindsided her in our last game

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VOTE: KittyTacky

Acting concerned over sky's 2nd vote on the Khaos wagon is the only thing that has stood out to me so far. I feel like if he actually thought sky might be scum jumping on an easy wagon then he would have taken away his RVS vote in 39, especially considering Roulette also jumped on the wagon to put it at e-2. It feels like Kitty is perfectly fine with this fade going through but is putting on a facade to lessen his impact on the whole thing

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Merlyn feels kinda townie here so far

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I will take the kitty opinions into consideration

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Merlyn feels kinda townie here so far

What makes you think that out of curiosity

Your posts feel like they come from a genuine and honest place and I like how inquisitive you have been. Even in this post it feels like you are trying to solve for my alignment

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Black's my town read, but black is always my town read....

I don't think you have been wrong about me yet

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VOTE: KittyTacky

Acting concerned over sky's 2nd vote on the Khaos wagon is the only thing that has stood out to me so far. I feel like if he actually thought sky might be scum jumping on an easy wagon then he would have taken away his RVS vote in 39, especially considering Roulette also jumped on the wagon to put it at e-2. It feels like Kitty is perfectly fine with this fade going through but is putting on a facade to lessen his impact on the whole thing

No, I just don't pay much attention to my own RVS votes really. Especially since I always remove them early in d1.
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I'm not really understanding this defense. You

were

paying attention to your RVS vote here because your whole reason for posting about sky's vote was due to her adding on to it

Then you even corrected the mod when he posted that Khaos only had 2 votes instead of 3. You couldn't have thought you had removed your vote already, and if you always remove your RVS vote early on then it seems even weirder that you didn't remove it after e-2. I could understand if maybe you wanted to keep the wagon up to gauge a Khaos reaction but that doesn't seem to be the case here

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Roulette how much Mafia have you played in the past?

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Idk I think you are pretty funny, but drunk Bella is on another level lol

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VOTE: Khaos

this is a serious vote (everybody here will be able to tell you that i'm a very serious person)

idk how to think about jumping on a RVS vote in a small game like this.

You are Mafia. You do not want to give opinions, you just want to say things.

VOTE: VOTE: KittyTacky

VOTE: KittyTacky

Acting concerned over sky's 2nd vote on the Khaos wagon is the only thing that has stood out to me so far. I feel like if he actually thought sky might be scum jumping on an easy wagon then he would have taken away his RVS vote in 39, especially considering Roulette also jumped on the wagon to put it at e-2. It feels like Kitty is perfectly fine with this fade going through but is putting on a facade to lessen his impact on the whole thing

For this to be the truth then Khaos must have been in real danger of getting hung, which he wasn't.

VOTE: KittyTacky

Acting concerned over sky's 2nd vote on the Khaos wagon is the only thing that has stood out to me so far. I feel like if he actually thought sky might be scum jumping on an easy wagon then he would have taken away his RVS vote in 39, especially considering Roulette also jumped on the wagon to put it at e-2. It feels like Kitty is perfectly fine with this fade going through but is putting on a facade to lessen his impact on the whole thing

this is actually why i had kitty so low but i always have kitty kinda low so

I am also in the tried to lim Kitty for being scummy and they turned out to be town club so I approach him with more caution now, but I'm interested to what Kitty says in response to this

If he is always scummy then how must you find the difference between him when he is scum and him when he is town?

VOTE: KittyTacky

Acting concerned over sky's 2nd vote on the Khaos wagon is the only thing that has stood out to me so far. I feel like if he actually thought sky might be scum jumping on an easy wagon then he would have taken away his RVS vote in 39, especially considering Roulette also jumped on the wagon to put it at e-2. It feels like Kitty is perfectly fine with this fade going through but is putting on a facade to lessen his impact on the whole thing

this is actually why i had kitty so low but i always have kitty kinda low so

I am also in the tried to lim Kitty for being scummy and they turned out to be town club so I approach him with more caution now, but I'm interested to what Kitty says in response to this

If he is always scummy then how must you find the difference between him when he is scum and him when he is town?

This is a good question. I may not have a good answer bc I haven't played with Kitty when he's scum. I do know there's some things, like having 'hot takes', that I won't consider scummy from Kitty

What specifically do you find scummy about Kitty when he's town? Bad logic? No decisions?

It is good thought process. UNVOTE:

I can see the newbtown arguments but these posts kinda make me feel like Roulette could be a kitty partner

The vote and declaration of "you are Mafia" followed directly by a defense of kitty after I voted there seems a little jarring. And then Roulette asks a bunch of questions about kitty... 94 in particular feels like a way to help kitty by determining what he should and shouldn't do to get townread. Roulette then unvotes him for having a good thought process, but I'm not really seeing the good thought process here. The whole thing reads like something I did as scum in my last game, a pseudo-bus for distancing and then backing off for weak reasons

If kitty is town then this all means nothing but it's something I noticed and wanted to document

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lol

What are your thoughts on the game so far Khaos? What do you think about Black's partner theory for example

What do you think about it? Also why are you pointing Khaos towards this specifically?

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To be clear I don't think this line of questioning is scummy, I just want to hear Merlyn's thought process. I sort people best by engaging with them so let me cook

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Yeah, we have relatively short deadlines in this game and while I can see merit in what you're saying about Kitty I could also see him becoming the default lim bc no else is really talking. I asked Khaos specifically bc the lol indicates to be they are following doing but not really sharing enough so I can sort them

This makes sense. I'm still curious what you think about my partner theory but if you want to let Khaos respond first I get that

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I don't think she's pointing this at him, I think she's trying to engage. Chill, miss scum hunter

This made me think about something Shea said about me recently:

I think tonally she asks all these extremely pointed questions. The questions themselves aren't always pointed but they have a tonal resonance to me of 'I think you're a baddy' which is in and of itself kind of pointed and so when she's interacting with people (including me) it frequently feels like she's scum reading them and then those interactions go nowhere because she likes to jump around and poke her nose into everything so that tone and lack of followup always kind of feels opportunistic to me.

I guess I just don't want people to assume I'm attacking someone just by asking them questions. It's hard for me to sort people without getting into their brain and the best way for me to do that is have them elaborate on a thought process or a stance

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I want to say something about 120 but I'll let Merlyn cook

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He did not want to split the discussions between two players and that is a good thought which is likely to come from town

What exactly do you mean by "splitting the discussion" and why is this a town thought?

Do you have any other reads besides kittytown?

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He wants to focus discussion on 1 not 2 player, it is a town thought because the intent comes from town.

I think limiting discussion in any way is more likely to come from scum and I don't really understand why you think this is a town thought progression

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VOTE: Black

She does not look at intent, instead she votes Kitty who is easily hung. She does not try to understand the thought process in his response.

I disagree with this assessment of me. What do you think the purpose of only focusing on one player is if kitty is town here?

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I want to say something about 120 but I'll let Merlyn cook

Don't be silly, Black, Merlyn is town. You said so yourself.

Three days with no game related posts is wild. I'm surprised you haven't been prodded yet

I don't really think this is scum indicative from you but I would like it if you did some stuffs

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It's not really great for people trying to solve you

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But I'm glad you are having fun bestie

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Merlyn has replaced me

I hope she's scum so she can burn you like I did last game. Then maybe you will appreciate what we had and come crawling back to me

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anyways obligatory battle goose. had a bad day so be back 2morrow for real this time

(I hope you have a relaxing night. Surely tomorrow will be better! <3)

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but if anyone has any further suggestions for how i can say beatle juice i'd be willing to post about that

What about beagle shoes?

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Now now, it's okay, it's not your fault that Merlyn is the new Black.

Well, maybe it is.

But still.

Ok I cackled

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I don't really think this is scum indicative from you but I would like it if you did some stuffs

Incidentally,

is

there anything you

would

consider scum indicative for me, so I can go ahead and do it?

I was reading over F&I earlier and I didn't get much other than you started that game fast. I don't really think I can meta you though because I feel like now that you've rolled scum recently you'll be more conscious of recreating your town game

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What is my town game?

I'm not sure I have a good grasp on what is consistent from game to game with you. You don't seem to be afraid to stick up for people you like/call out people that you don't like. You're kinda goofy yet when it's time to be serious you put on your thinking cap. Sometimes you share your reads and sometimes you keep them close to your chest

(also zomg, someone remembered F&I exists?!?)

That game still haunts me unfortunately

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I know this is one. I could have sworn there was at least one more but I can't seem to find it

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I don't think that is shade at all

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I don't really think it has to do with tone so much as what I was responding to

What do you think about 144? Do you think it's great that Aureal hasn't taken a stance on anything?

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Can you explain why you read it as shade because I'm not seeing it

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I feel like Roulette is either reaching scum or a townie plagued by conf bias. I'm leaning towards the former but if he is scum then I would kinda expect him to at least

try

to explain his stance in 188

He agrees with me wrt Aureal not taking a stance but still tried to say I was shading her. Like this is either a bad tunnel or a bad attempt to misfade me

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Nothing kitty is saying is making me reconsider my read on him and the whole "newbtown framing me" thing just makes me think my solve might actually be correct here. It can't be that easy though right?

Even though I think they're partnered I'm more confident that kitty flips red here

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Ugh, I don't want to say roulette looks informed, but that's how I feel. He's assigning town to the most random crap

It just seems like he's doing this to kitty. Do you think kitty is town?

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I see you online.

You are speaking in your Mafia Private Topic?

VOTE: Khaos

No, I'm just looking at the game and can't think of anything to say. Tbh I'm not really feeling this game, so I don't mind if you guys eliminate me.

I feel like there's a decent amount of stuff to comment on. Why aren't you feeling the game?

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There's more likely scum in the quieter people.

Hmm. If I'm wrong about kitty then I think he could be right about this. Scum could easily just be chilling watching me push a bad solve. I think in this world it could be something like Khaos/x

I'll try to reevaluate in the morning

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I know Aureal had no content. How you said it made me believe you are mafia

Ok but why? What tone did you read my post in that made you think this? You're going to have to explain the "vibes" if you want people to understand your thought process

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Khaos I'm not sure what you don't understand here. Roulette wants to know the specifics behind your townread. Right now it seems a little baseless

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You said you have seen stuff in the thread though. So what stuff have you seen that gives you the vibe that I'm town?

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I'm ok with a Khaos vote tbh

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Why you so bothered by my reads? Wanna show me yours?

Why are you so defensive about being asked to explain your shifty positions?

What is the purpose of this question? Do you think defensive = scummy?

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Why you so bothered by my reads? Wanna show me yours?

Why are you so defensive about being asked to explain your shifty positions?

What is the purpose of this question? Do you think defensive = scummy?

When I'm getting defensive deflection instead of answers, yeah.

She's answering you, you just don't like the depth of the answers

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Chill

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Why is everyone ignoring me?

I can't answer 235 so I'm just going to let Bella do it

You feel so tense compared to how you started the game. I'm not sure how to read that from you but my gut tells me it's probably coming from a frustrated townie thought process. I just don't understand why you would be this frustrated and why you think everyone is ignoring you

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Also what the heck happened to Merlyn

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We have a little over a day left in the deadline so we should think about consolidating wagons

Looking at the last vote count I would be ok with fading kitty or Khaos. I don't really want to fade sky today. I think Roulette is a little too abrasive here which indicates he's probably town but I still think he could flip red if kitty does. I don't really think he's as good of a fade today compared to the others

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You're acting like you don't think my question in 218 was reasonable/had an obvious answer.

Not really. I just think there are some players like bella that don't always answer everything when there are lots of questions being thrown at them and I don't really find that scummy

Can you finally answer her question about your reads? Why is it ok for you to ignore questions but when she does it it's aggravating to you?

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Like to me it seems like bella is being as cooperative as she can, even if she answers questions late or doesn't give you the answer you want. I'm not seeing that some cooperation from your side

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Also why haven't you voted for bella yet? This progression implies you think she could be scum but you're still voting skygazer for some reason

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Oh I think I see part of the source of the confusion . I think Bella used the "he" pronoun for sky

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No it's not wrong since it says "any"

Was the 2nd half of 215 about sky or roulette?

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Pedit: ok you answered me with that clarification

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Lots of questions? What lots of questions? Are other people pelting her with questions that I haven't noticed? I asked one thing and got shade and dancing around instead of an answer.

???

I just counted and you asked Bella 10 questions over the last couple of pages..

You were grumbling a few days ago about me not saying anything and now that I am, you seem taken aback and incredulous.

I expected you to engage with the entire game, not hyper-focus on one thing in silly bad-faith arguments

I'm not very inclined to respond to scummy deflections other than by pressing my question. For that matter, I challenge Bella's assertion that she has given her reads. All I've feel I've gotten from her is that you're town and she's "not townreading" the rest of us. And I don't even know why she thinks you're town.

At this point I think it's ridiculous for you to demand more from bella when you aren't giving an ounce. You are being extremely arduous

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Also why haven't you voted for bella yet? This progression implies you think she could be scum but you're still voting skygazer for some reason

You want me to vanity wagon with like 24 hours left until deadline? I haven't seen any signs that a Bella vote would be anything other than that right now.

I asked why you haven't voted for her yet. That doesn't mean I think you should vote for her now. I feel like at some point during this interaction you should have placed your vote there but I guess you're just fine sheeping an inactive Merlyn on a joke vote in her first post in the game?

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I think Aureal might be scum here

I've never seen her act like this before and this whole thing just feels like one big distraction. My first thought is that she could be the kitty partner instead of Roulette. She's doing whatever she can to make bella look bad while maintaining her joke vote on Sky, which just so happens to be the wagon tied with kitty's and most likely to go through if his doesn't

She hasn't given any thoughts on Kitty at all, and vice versa

I'm used to logical arguments and cooperation from Aureal and I'm not seeing either of those things here

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I'm ok with a Khaos vote tbh

I'm gonna pull a Drew and object to yeeting a lurking newbie day one.

Pfft fine, I'll stop trying

VOTE: Organized Khaos

This is only other wagon that could possibly compete with kitty's

kitty/Aureal is my solve

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I won't be around much this weekend but I will check in before the deadline to move my vote if needed

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Unless I've just tipped the vote over onto her partner and she needs to try to swing it back to Kitty, anyway

It should be obvious I wrote that post without seeing your Khaos vote. This doesn't feel like a real thought

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I think I still would rather fade kitty over Aureal

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My first reaction is that all three of these are town and I would rather solve outside of them today, but if I were scum then I would probably throw either myself or my buddy in the pool for the easy towncred, so I don't want to rule that out

I'm pretty surprised I wasn't nominated considering I'm probably the most townread player in the game. BBmolla not being in there is pretty sus to me but I thought Merlyn was town and his posting has been good from what I've read so far

I need sleep but I'll start putting this puzzle together tomorrow

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First reaction is if I have to vote one of the three, I vote khaos, but head hurty as aureal said

I think it would have to be Aureal if there is a traitor nominated but I'm willing to consider I may be tunneled there

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It doesn't make sense for scum not to put one of me/Merlyn in the pool since I don't think anyone scumread us? I could be wrong about that, I still need to look over the weekend pages in more detail

I'm town so that probably means molla is just scum here

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The picks are so weird and I do wonder if they are 'framing' aureal, and sky I was tr inf by the end of the day

Wouldn't it make more sense to frame Aureal by leaving her out of the pool?

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Aureal
Bellaphant
BBmolla

Organized Khaos

Roulette

Skygazer

I don't think scum ever nominates both members D2, so we have to assume at least 2 of the 3 nominated are town. I'm willing to believe that's Khaos and Sky for now

So that means there's probably two scum in {Aureal, Bellaphant, molla, Roulette}

Scum not nominating me or Merlyn/molla makes me think that molla is very likely one of the scum

So one scum in {Aureal, Bellaphant, Roulette} and gg? My gut tells me it's probably Roulette here. I don't really think bella is scum, and Aureal is only scum if she decided to nominate herself for the towncred. It's possible, but if I take myself out of my Aureal tunnel then my gut is telling me all three nominations are probably town

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Nah, I'm low-key sure molla is scum

why

I woulda put myself in, this is boring

VOTE: Aureal

I think if you're scum then it would have made sense to put yourself in since you and your predecessor were so widely townread but this WIFOM isn't very convincing to me

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To me sky just feels like they did in Pokemon Mafia. Very joke oriented, not super solvey but there are sprinkles of it here and there

250 feels like it comes from town more often than scum. Like why would sky say this instead of just making up reads if she's scum here?

I like posts like 292/293 and 305. These just feel like good thought progressions

316 could be fence-sitty but she kinda takes a stance here on what she believes

It's not the strongest read but I'm getting more town pings here than I am from most slots in the game

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Nah, I'm low-key sure molla is scum

why

I woulda put myself in, this is boring

VOTE: Aureal

I think if you're scum then it would have made sense to put yourself in since you and your predecessor were so widely townread but this WIFOM isn't very convincing to me

When did BB become widely townread? The slot was empty most of the day. I had a bit of a townread on Merlyn for her lightheadedness but BB has done a great job trashing that.

I don't think anyone scumread Merlyn and the only negative read I'm finding on molla is Bella's comment about how she's seen him as charismatic scum before. Correct me if I'm wrong

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Nah, I'm low-key sure molla is scum

why

I woulda put myself in, this is boring

VOTE: Aureal

I think if you're scum then it would have made sense to put yourself in since you and your predecessor were so widely townread but this WIFOM isn't very convincing to me

Im confused is it scummy or not scummy that I’m not in the limpool

did you not just literally say both lmfao

It's scummy. I think the best play would be to nominate yourself if you're scum here but we've never played before so idk if you would make the best play or not

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Aureal what is your read on Khaos?

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Still the scummiest player here, an obvious priority elimination, and it's driving me crazy that people want to push back so much on that.

So you scumread both Khaos and sky? Where did these scumreads come from? It feels like you waited until after they were nominated to express these reads and that feels more like a survivalist thought process than you actually trying to solve the game

Wouldn't it make more sense for at least one of them to be town? Unless you think Mafia nominated both of themselves which I don't understand why they would do that

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When did BB become widely townread? The slot was empty most of the day. I had a bit of a townread on Merlyn for her lightheadedness but BB has done a great job trashing that.

I don't think anyone scumread Merlyn and the only negative read I'm finding on molla is Bella's comment about how she's seen him as charismatic scum before. Correct me if I'm wrong

Being townread is not the same thing as not being scumread. Merlyn got a bit of townreads going on her, but it was early and didn't seem to be based on anything terribly solid. BB came in late and I think people were more concerned with the active wagons than trying to read him.

Ok, that makes sense, but in this situation I think most townread/least scumread are one in the same. Both should qualify someone to be nominated imo

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I hope I'm not coming off as abrasive here. I'm just trying to understand your approach

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It doesn't make sense for scum not to put one of me/Merlyn in the pool since I don't think anyone scumread us? I could be wrong about that, I still need to look over the weekend pages in more detail

I'm town so that probably means molla is just scum here

Also where does this thought come from? If we operate from the thought that scum wants to nominate the most townread townspeople sure, and Bella is also a good candidate there. This is clearly not the world we live in. I don't think it'd make a lot of sense for them to put just townBlack in with people who are getting more scumread- that's just narrowing the pool further.

I guess this makes sense

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My vote was on those two for most of day one. I nearly became the day one miselimination because I was seriously pushing Khaos and so people decided to wagon me instead. What happened to your scumread of Khaos?

What? Your vote on sky didn't seem serious. You sheeped Merlyn's first post of the game in a very joking manner. And then you defended Khaos by saying you weren't going to vote a lurking new player D1. You only voted him after you got exasperated and seemed like you were giving up

Can you look at your iso and honestly tell me that your scumreads on the two were obvious?

And I don't even know where the last line comes from, I hadn't even mentioned my tinfoil theory that it is exactly Sky/Khaos yet. Why would you assume I was thinking that it's both rather than one or the other?

Because you said today that you think they are both scum. Or at least you said that about Khaos. You questioned why people are townreading sky which made me think you scumread her. What am I missing here?

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"it seems like agenda driven posting rather than solving posting" would be a good way to state part of how i'm feeling atm. i'll put some more thought into khaos later.

I'm confused if you are trying to quote me here or not

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VOTE: Khaos

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i would like to think if khaos was scum that nominated himself he would have made an appearance by now

Unless he thinks the more he talks the more he gets scumread?

In a scum!Khaos world he probably expects me to keep up my pressure on Aureal. He wouldn't have to do much in this scenario

I still think it's highly likely that all 3 of the nominations are town and if this is the world we live in then I would rather keep town!Aureal around and let her cook. I think it's obvious she would be more useful than town!Khaos here

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How did you read that that fast

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So it's just molla/Roulette then huh

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UNVOTE:

Just in case

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Why is his aggression suddenly a town indicator to you?

Never he said it was aggression that he townreads me for.

Can you let him answer

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Roulette can we get a readslist from you?

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Hi jigglypuff

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And how are each of these slots perceived? Did they nom 3 townies to force a mislim?

That's what I'm thinking. Aureal is probably the most likely scum in the group if there is one

I was willing to fade your slot but you're already doing more than your predecessor

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Would appreciate if you could elaborate on your reasoning, I still can't track your read reasoning on either of our slots.

It's not really a strong read but I just think your play this game has been more defensive than I'm used to. It reminds me a little of F&I where you got into arguments with python and osuka after they showed some suspicion towards you. It seems like you often keep your cool when you're town. Out of the 3 nominations you're the one I'm the most uncertain on

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didn't you misvig me in our last game together?

didn't you misvig me in our last game together?

?? Defcon?

what does that have to do with my current read anyway

nothing, i'm just trying to subtly discredit you

That being said I'm not really liking this from Sky

I'm vibing with gob's posts so far

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maybe im onto something with my yolo black/aureal guess

Why are we paired?

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I still want to hear more about your confidence that Khaos/gob is town. You've been surprisingly willing to vote out the slot given what seems to be a high level of confidence. When did that confidencce happen and why?

I'm not super confident in any of my reads

I'm operating under the assumption that scum doesn't nominate one of their own unless they are widely townread. That's the leading factor in thinking you're all probably town here. I have to pick one of you though and I've never seen someone roll scum and just not feel like playing at all. It's not a great read but I can't help but feel like I just wouldn't be playing like Khaos if I was scum in his position

As for willingness to vote him out? He wasn't contributing and clearly didn't want to play. I was willing to keep you around after I read your 454 with the hopes you would help solve the game if you're town here

[Black]

I disagree with aureal about never seeing anyone role scum and not want to play: I see it a lot, especially in newbies?

I said that. It's something that is probably NAI but I still get gut feelings about it. Kinda like when people replace out I just assume they're town lol. That burned me recently though so I need to check that bias I guess

[Black]

i'll case aureal tonight or tomorrow or eventually. i have a few different reasons i think it's not gob. would rather go aureal please and thank you

maybe im onto something with my yolo black/aureal guess

Why are we paired?

Sky if you have time could we get this today

[Black]

I think they should do that regardless of alignment

[Black]

I've been thinking Roulette might be scum but I think molla being his partner is more likely than Aureal. I don't really think he's scum with Sky

I would rather fade Aureal over sky here I think. I'm a little busy today but I'll try to check in later and make a final decision

[Black]

I've been thinking Roulette might be scum but I think molla being his partner is more likely than Aureal. I don't really think he's scum with Sky

I would rather fade Aureal over sky here I think. I'm a little busy today but I'll try to check in later and make a final decision

you dont get the final decision

i will also look tho

I'm talking about a final decision on who I should vote for my guy. So yeah I do get the final say in that

[Black]

I kinda just want to fade gob here tbh

[Black]

Aureal and sky are towning way harder than you imo

[Black]

What is your read on sky?

[Black]

Do you think I'm scum or do you think im the scummiest of these 3? Cause calling me scum is kinda weird here, I feel like all 3 of us have potential to be town.

What is your read on sky?

That they are scum who is being appeal-y and stuff.

???

[Black]

If I had to bet on it then I would say you are all probably town

After looking over your iso's again I'm not seeing any real sign that you or Khaos have been trying to solve the game

I want to keep the two players that are going to give us the best chance of sorting this mess and that's sky and Aureal

[Black]

I just replaced in, okay? I cant speak for who I replaced, but I am doing what I can to solve the game. Right now I am mainly focused on directly the wagon of today in the best possible direction. There is no real point in talking about something else because we'll have more correct info later.
I mean there is a point if you have something to say, but I really dont besides what I've said.

That's fair

I just wanted to see some sign that you're putting thought into people's alignments. 590 didn't give me that after you had just said it would be weird if I thought you were scum here. The read on sky felt more like a survival stance than you trying to sort her, but I liked your clarification in 591, and I like your read on me even if it's wrong

[Black]

VOTE: Aureal

Looks like it's up to you bella

[Black]

VOTE: gob

[Black]

VOTE: BBmolla

This is obv scum imo. I've had a busy couple of days but I'll make some time to put more effort in tomorrow

[Black]

Looking at molla's iso I'm just not getting the feeling that he's trying to solve the game

Posts like 337, 374, and 377 feel odd now that molla doesn't seem to be considering Roulette!scum at all. I think it's pretty likely it's just these two and they feel like they can get by without having to bus each other

It could be Black but I think that and then I ISO them and get townpings and then think I look at votecounts and am back to thinking it could be Black

This post felt like he was positioning himself to push me if he needed to and that's exactly what he did to start the day

I also think there's an outside chance of bella being the partner here instead of Roulette since molla has had bella in two solves now but seems to be pushing everyone but her

I want to fade molla or Roulette today and I don't really see that changing. I still think gob and sky are probably town due to being nominated. I could go bella but I wouldn't feel as good about that as the other two

[Black]

I did like Molla's posts at end of day.

What did you like about them?

[Black]

It is simple then!

VOTE: BBMolla

So do you think it's molla/bella then?

[Black]

Scum bussing could happen here, but it would have to be really skilful. I think I only ever reconsider my read on black If molla flips town, which I'm pretty confident won't happen.

Gob, we aren't communicating, have you got any questions for me?

Why do you think the bussing would have to be "skillful"?

[Black]

I won't have much time to post here today but I'll get around to it as soon as I can

[Black]

When you get the chance gob I would like to hear why you think Bella/Roulette are partnered

[Black]

Why aren't u voting me? If I was scum with aureal and scum with black, surely you vote me?

VOTE: Bella

okay you convinced me

I don't really think these are partners, right after Bella talks about how scum probably wouldn't bus here. It could be theater but I doubt it

I think molla/Roulette makes the most sense as the solve but I'm willing to hear the argument for Roulette/bella

[Black]

One of Black/Bella is scum 100%. The night kill on kitty was off the wagon of Kitty. Usually scum kill someone who wasnt on the same wagon and them (for reasons

I'm confused by this. There are no night kills and both bella and myself were on the kitty wagon

Roulette I looked at the ISO, and I felt Roulette sits on the fence a bunch, especially at the EoD1. Less of a good read I guess

I noticed this too

I would rather go Roulette over Bella personally. I think he fits in more solves

[Black]

I'm not sure bella and Roulette would vote together to try to quick fade molla if they are scum

[Black]

Like what would be the play for them?

Fade molla, then nominate me/sky/gob. One of us gets faded and it's down to 4. If they can fade one of the two townies after that then it's just gg right?

So maybe it's possible. That doesn't sound too difficult, but idk

[Black]

VOTE: Roulette

I think I talked myself into this. I still think it's highly likely that gob/sky are town due to being nominated D2. If my top solves are Roulette/molla and Roulette/bella then this just makes sense

[Black]

@black, you just finished a game with scum!gob, which I have briefly read about twenty pages of. Thoughts?

This doesn't really feel like scum!gob from that game. He has more original thoughts and he's not trolling as much. What do you think?

[Black]

@black, you just finished a game with scum!gob, which I have briefly read about twenty pages of. Thoughts?

There is just no way of catching me as scum early on. I'm too good at weaseling my way out of wagons and flipping SRs into TRs.

Just wait until later on in the game, I run out of steam and then I'm easy pickings. Forget my old logic, prone to slipping, etc.

I mean I caught you on like page 6 in that game and you even got mad at me for scumreading you, but there were too many townies that defended you

[Black]

Literally the only towny thing molla has said is that blacks votes look shady, which does seem true.

@black, talk me through the aureal vote?

Aureal felt more abrasive this game than I normally see from her, and it felt like it started after some suspicion built up on her. She was nitpicking things and her reaction to you and me questioning her felt blown out of proportion

Once she was nominated I started to feel like she was probably town but at that point I had to vote within the 3 candidates and she was the most scummy to me

[Black]

Can you explain what you consider shady about my votes?

[Black]

Black jumping off molla's wagon does look shit though.

Sky, where's your head at?

How so? I started the day saying I wanted to fade within molla and Roulette and that's still where I'm at

[Black]

It's really just PoE at this point. I think scum are within {Roulette, molla, bella} and I think Roulette fits in both solves within this group. I'm still fine with a molla lim

[Black]

No, your logic is still shit because it doesn't involve play. I'm actually suggesting that doing that tomorrow would be ridiculous. I'm receptive to talking to you, not this weird idea that vca is king, especially when 50% of the lim options have been decided by scum

Also, you are asking why someone who is onw of your 50/50 (so, according to you, isnt scum with me, so would theoretically have a partner, a partner that you don't apparently have a read on who it is) jumping off their 'scum read' when they get to e-1 looks Sus?That doesn't ring any alarm bells?

This is a bit of a misrep. Molla has been at e-1 for two days now

This is somewhat WIFOM but If I'm scum with molla then why would I be worried about a molla lim when the only two people that could hammer him were sky and gob, and neither of them have shown any interest in voting there today? Also why would I start bussing molla D2 just to hop off now?

I think I made it pretty clear why I would rather go Roulette first

[Black]

@ black RE: me hammering molla - funnily enough i was strongly tempted to lolhammer molla actually

i think i want roulette today. still wanna reread tonight

I will hammer if you decide to go there

Black's read on gob is bad actually. So first Black scumreads gob because he was not contributing when he replaced in and then Black decides today that gob is town because he nominated now???

Where did I scumread gob? This feels super selective. Like how can you possibly read through my posts and reach the conclusion that I thought gob was scum

[Black]

Where did I scumread gob? This feels super selective. Like how can you possibly read through my posts and reach the conclusion that I thought gob was scum

I do not see how it is cherry picked. I did CONTROL-F on your ISO for gob again

Then why are you assuming my vote on gob meant I scumread him when I've said numerous times that I think all 3 nominations are probably town?

[Black]

I even explained why I wanted to vote for gob over Sky and Aureal. Did you skip over those posts or something?

[Black]

Black and Skygazer, what do you think as the other two not voting BBmolla?

I've thought molla was scum since D2. I think the solve is just Roulette/molla

I thought Merlyn was pretty townie but molla threw that read in the trash can

[Black]

I guess if its Black/BBmolla the game is that simple but that is lame and boring.

I'm town, so if you're confident that there's one scum in me/bella, do you think bella makes sense as a molla partner? I'm not really seeing it

[Black]

I was voting molla until I talked myself into Roulette making more sense

[Black]

Like I said at the beginning of the day I'm happy with molla or Roulette, and bella to a much lesser extent

[Black]

I don't really think you've been scummy this game but you're in my PoE due to not being nominated. Idk if that's too basic of a read but I don't really know how else to solve this setup

[Black]

VOTE: BBmolla

[Black]

I don't have much to add today

Kinda curious what gob cooks up here. It's a little weird that he invoked Sky to hammer in 789 and now he wants to look at stuff

[Black]

I have two, conflicting theories on why this lim' is stalling. #cognitivedissonance

I'm curious about this

[Black]

Hmm

I guess I really should consider that sky and gob could be scum here. I think seeing a flip will give me the nudge I need to try and piece this thing together

[Black]

I don't think molla flips town. It seems like he's given up completely and I don't really buy 770 as an excuse

[Black]

He should probably be prodded at this point. It's been 48 hours since his last post

[Black]

I feel like Roulette has been talking. Why did you leave him out?

[Black]

sky flaking on a game for days at a time seems really in line with what I've seen from her before so I don't think that's alignment indicative

[Black]

Oh I think I misunderstood your post completely lol

I agree with you there

[Black]

Uhhh. Ok...

[Black]

We can get today wrong and still win tomorrow? This is ridiculously wifom but would scum!roulette nominate themselves twice?

This was my first thought. Scum doesn't have to nominate themselves today. Obviously they could have done it for the WIFOM argument but I don't think the risk is worth the reward

[Black]

I'm gonna try to look at interactions once I get out of bed and grab some coffee

[Black]

Nah, molla was fucked no matter what, I'm surprised it took him that long to self hammer. I'm more weirded out by blacks unvote at all, like molla was obv scum?

shrug

If I'm right about Roulette then the unvote won't be weird at all

I don't think anyone left is even scumreading Roulette but me? So nominating himself might be a decent play even though it would be unnecessary

[Black]

Ok so the possible pairings are

molla/Roulette
molla/bella
molla/gob
molla/Sky

Starting from the top:

Spoiler: molla/Roulette

32 is Roulette asking Merlyn "why did I not get a welcome" which could be theatre. Merlyn responds in 35 and responds "I don't know". There's a chance Merlyn didn't welcome him because they're scum together and then she was caught off guard by this question

47 is Merlyn asking Khaos why he's suspicious of Roulette. We know this isn't a sorting question because Merlyn is scum, but it could have been meant to look like she was sorting

89 kinda feels like a softball question to Merlyn. 94 continues this and it reads a little like a fake scum interaction

Merlyn declares Roulette as her first townread in 93 based on not much

Merlyn assuming English isn't Roulette's first language in 113 feels a little weird, and this question feels like a way for Roulette to explain his stance better. I don't think Roulette explains it any better in 131 but if he's scum here then Merlyn definitely tried

I find it noteable that outside of these early interactions, Roulette doesn't really seem concerned with engaging with Merlyn at all. He spends the rest of the time she's in the game talking to other people

molla replaces in and his first comment on Roulette is 374. They have a little back and forth in 375 and 377 but it doesn't really go anywhere. molla then suggests Roulette vote for Aureal in 381 and Roulette promptly agrees in 382. Could definitely be a fake interaction

426 is hilarious if these two are paired, but it actually pings me as an unpartnered interaction. Not sure why molla would type this in the main thread

Roulette gets mad at Khaos in 472 for not playing the game. Molla hasn't done much more but he was more active around this time so this is probably nothing

483 ok this definitely screams partnered lol. What the heck. The weirdest part is he says this but doesn't really consider molla as an option for quite some time

In 649 Roulette says that he thinks molla may be scum and that he'll "save my reasons for tomorrow" ?????

Roulette says that he liked molla's posting at the end of the day in 685. Not wanting to give those reasons for molla!scum now huh?

Roulette finally votes molla in 692 and it feels like he finally gave in to thread consensus and they decided it was time to bus

The rest of their interactions just kinda feel like distancing

Conclusion: likely partnered

That took a lot out of me so I will work on molla/bella a bit later

[Black]

Black's case on me has logic

Who do you think it is? I'm not completely convinced it's you. I was practically sold on it until the nominations came out but I don't understand why you would nominate yourself here unless it was for the wifom

I meant to do the Bella/molla interactions last night but I drank a little too much wine and now I'm awake at 3 AM with heartburn

[Black]

I think I'm suspicious of gob and Skygazer simply because they weren't nominated today. Scum have to nominate themselves in two days from now so I don't really think they would risk it here? These two were both nominated D2 so maybe there was a sense of "ok I already nominated myself once so I'm clear" from one of them. But if that's the case then maybe they felt like they could safely get away with being nominated today and they would have thrown themselves in

This setup is hard yo

[Black]

Ok moving on to bella/molla

Spoiler: bella/molla

116 is the first interaction we have between these two and it's bella defending Merlyn against a pretty harmless question of mine. Could be partner defending partner but I'm not sure if bella would openly defend her buddy like this

bella asks Merlyn why she's voting for sky in 162. Merlyn doesn't get the chance to answer because she replaces out around this time. Not a lot of interaction between these two at all

253 could be interpreted as bella wanting her partner to come back but I think town!bella would probably post this too, especially if she's waiting for an answer to her question in 162

molla replaces in and pretty quickly defends bella in 334. A little sus

Bella responds in 340 and also agrees with molla about Roulette

Out of no where bella says she's sure molla is scum in 409. This feels weird. I'm not sure what molla did in between 340 and this post that would make her so sure about his alignment. It almost feels like she's sheeping my read in 407. I'm not sure if bella would try to add pressure on molla and start the bus this early though

I find it strange that molla asked bella "why" in 414 and bella never bothers to respond. This reads slightly as a fake interaction

418 bella says "my vote is on molla at heart." I'm still wondering if they would make the call to start bussing him this early, but the general consensus of the thread is that molla=scum so it's possible

In 428 molla says "Bella/Molla/Roulette" would have been way more fun of a nomination group. I'm curious if he's trolling here and throwing himself and his partner bella in the group for shits and giggles

A lot of posts go by with no interactions between these two, until molla says his solve is Aureal/bella in 625. If these two are partners and they did decide to bus early then this could be interpreted as a distancing maneuver. bella responds in 634 with some wifom, and then molla calls this scummy in 658. molla then changes his solve to Black/Bella but for some reason he votes me over bella? Pretty strange progression here and it's probably the thing that makes me think they are partnered the most. He spent all this time with her in solves but didn't vote for her once

He finally votes bella in 713 but at this point it's a little late, and he self-hammers shortly after

Overall I'm getting conflicting feelings from this and I'm worried that some of my interpretations are off, but this is definitely possible

Conclusion: could be partnered

molla/gob coming later

[Black]

Yove missed out a lot of context? I voted him because he behaved exactly the same as when he was my scum partner in a newbie, I called his reads weirdly faked from kitty's and called out that him voting you when I was in both of his solves was weird.

Eh I'm sorry. I didn't do it on purpose. I'm a little hungover

[Black]

@mod: I'll be v/la until Monday

[Black]

Since she went V/LA i guess there isnt much benefit to me not saying its Black almost 100% of the time here and I can prove it too.

Why would you wait until I'm V/LA to push this?

I don't think your case implicates me any more than it does Roulette or Bella

[Black]

If I were scum with molla there's no way I would let him get by without talking to me or giving a read on me. Obviously this is WIFOM but I'm undefeated as scum and super competitive, why would I let that slide?

If I had to guess why he avoided me then I would think he was intimidated by me calling him out as scum so early. I tend to be wary of town players that figure me out so quickly, especially ones I'm not familiar with

It's a decent theory gob but it's just not the world we live in

[Black]

I don't think I'll get the chance this weekend but I want to look at some molla scum games to see if he ever just ignores his partner like that. I can't imagine scum ever thinking that's the right play

[Black]

Yeah, again, I don't think you are talking with the full context: you were 50/50 between the both and jumped off the wagon when it looked critical.

The only thing stopping me voting you is if you flip town, I dunno if gobs still in this '50/50 black and bella' vibe

What are you talking about? I've been down to fade molla since D2 and that never changed

[Black]

I'm just responding to Bella's shade

And like I said I don't think his actions imply it's me but we have enough lims left to fade all three of the nominations. We only lose if you or sky are deep wolfing here

[Black]

So you are fine going today, Black?

I think we get Sky tomorrow if its not you regardless. I really didn't feel like Sky was scum the way he played Day 2, but I could've just been outplayed there.

This doesn't track with your previous stance. Why would you not flip bella after I flip town?

[Black]

You don't have room for error to fade sky here. It has to be me, bella, and Roulette if you are actually town. Low key not liking this take from you

[Black]

Are you fine with going today, Black?

Only if you promise to go bella and Roulette after me. I don't think it's sky

[Black]

You don't have room for error to fade sky here. It has to be me, bella, and Roulette if you are actually town. Low key not liking this take from you

I am not saying we lim Sky here lol. I am talking about tomorrow if need be.

You are clearly the lim here today.

Here as in this game. Obviously you can't fade her today

[Black]

I'm starting to wonder if Bella is just town. If so y'all may want to reconsider gob tomorrow. This sudden hedginess doesn't feel good and it seems like gob is trying to keep the PoE wide open to prepare for endgame

[Black]

I promise to look at the game and make my best judgement, whatever that may be. I think it's just you here though, so I am just making sure you are okay to be limmed

Why would it matter if I'm ok being faded? I'm not going to self vote. If the rest of the game wants me gone then it'll happen but I'm going to make sure I've left enough information for the game to be solved if that's the route we take

[Black]

If gob is scum here I think it makes sense for him to push me in conjunction with him backing off his "one scum in Black/Bella 100%" stance. If he goes Black > Bella and we both flip town then Roulette and Sky just fade him in ELO

[Black]

i think its just roulette

This is the most likely out of the nominations imo but I don't like gob's positioning here

[Black]

Other than that you haven't really shown me why Roulette could be scum here, and now you're calling Bella town

I made a whole post about why he makes sense as a molla partner

I still need to make sure you are okay with being limmed here, though. I can't tell if you are down or not

Why do you need to make sure of this?

[Black]

I think SkyGazer isn't mafia, because I don't think Mafia did that play. I think they put up all town since that was safer because BBMolla already had a bit of heat start of Day 2. And they didn't want to jeopardize their last member, their deepest wolf.

I've actually convinced myself to go (person most likely mafia) -> Skygazer 100% of the time here though.

If it's not black then it would be Bellaphant here, btw. But almost certainly Black given both maf wont hop on the same wagon day 1 in a tie scenario.

I think we get Sky tomorrow if its not you regardless. I really didn't feel like Sky was scum the way he played Day 2, but I could've just been outplayed there.

I think BBmolla's scum partner is in you/Roulette/Sky in that order.

None

of this tracks. There are so many contradictions here, especially considering gob's previous stance of "100% one scum in Black/Bella". But suddenly it's "regardless of your flip we're going sky tomorrow" ???

Ya'll can't let this get to ELO

[Black]

I think the play here is Roulette and then gob

[Black]

I'm like 80% sure it's just gob here. He nominated himself D2 and then coasted on the TR from that. He knew he would have to nominate himself in two days from now so he sat this one out. And now he's trying to fade his biggest threat while keeping the door open to fade ANY of Roulette, bella, or sky tomorrow depending on which way the wind blows

[Black]

hi gob are you town

I’m at Bella/Aureal atm

Sky and Gob both seem town

These are the only two times molla mentions gob and they have zero interactions outside of this

[Black]

I think Black has been scummy, but people I SR are SRing her, so Idk. I am not entirely sure on you since I feel like you havent voted since its 3 town up and you cant think of a real reason to vote.

I think BBMola is towny, they have the most solvey energy and have been in line with what I've seen from them before.

Thats about it though, everyone else outside that (and aureal and sky) is null.

Ok, so it's...nothing else? It's vca and not play based?

I think black/could/ be scum, but right now I think molla's play is scummier. Do you agree? Leave your vca out of it. If molla flips town, I think I look again at black but right now, I'd rather leave her alone because she is providing content, unlike most other people.

Why would I leave VCA out of it? It's an important part of analysis. It's not the only thing obviously.

Molla may be scummy or may not be. However Black/Bella 100% (and i do mean 100%) hits mafia.

UNVOTE: Belaphant

Upon re-reading I do think BBMolla may be scum here. There is a lot of weird stuff, like their progression on Bella.

Black and Skygazer, what do you think as the other two not voting BBmolla?

Don't hammer yet, I'm gonna think again, re-read and then post tonight. After tonight you can hammer though I guess.

Gob starts off townreading molla, then rides the fence, then scumreads him, but never votes for him. He even asks for us to hold off on hammering him which is exactly what he did with his scum partner Gamma in our last Open game together

It's just gob here

[Black]

Nah I don't think it's Roulette anymore. I don't think it matters which one of us there goes today as long as you get faded tomorrow

[Black]

I won't have Internet service until late tonight but I'll check in when I can

[Black]

I think "not trying hard" is a really poor excuse for so many contradictions in such a small amount of posts. Gob's thoughts outlined in 905 aren't real. There's an agenda here and it feels like it's to keep the PoE wide open so he can somehow win the game

This whole plan makes sense from a scum!gob perspective. He decided during the nomination phase that he was going to hard push me here. He has spent his remaining energy speculating that it could be any of the remaining 3 because he knows once I flip town he'll need to leave the door open to push the 3 remaining townies. That's the only possible way gob wins here

It's unfortunate that we have to fade within this group today because I'm convinced it's gob. No matter what we decide gob should absolutely be the choice tomorrow. If it takes me being faded today to make sure he doesn't survive past tomorrow then so be it

[Black]

You can't just quote a bunch of shit and say "that's not real" btw, especially when it literally is real.

You can say it's not, but it is real.

Scum don't have real solving thoughts because they're not trying to solve. They are fabricated thoughts to push your agenda

[Black]

Do you actually think scum are more likely to ignore their partner as opposed to townread or bus them? I haven't done that in any of my scum games and I haven't seen you do it in any of yours. This just feels like a thought to push your agenda

[Black]

I dont think you can call it a push of any agenda.

If you are scum then you absolutely have an agenda here

[Black]

If it's not you then it's probably Roulette. Maybe sky as a deep wolf. I don't really think it's bella anymore

[Black]

VOTE: Roulette

[Black]

Please fade gob tomorrow

[Black]

Please fade gob tomorrow

Cant tell if youre town who has given up or maf who has given up.

Either way I will listen to you on Roulette whatever you say. I sort of feel similar about Bella to you i think.

I'm not giving up. I've made my case for scum!you

You said you would lay down and vote with whoever the others wanted to if you were wrong about me. You don't get the benefit of listening to me, you must listen to the others, and I'm trying to make sure they push you and not Roulette

[Black]

If its not you I’m not gonna let people lim me. But i will listen to people more than i usually do lol.

This cannot make it to ELO

[Black]

Because I think it's obvious you are scum here. The contradictions in 905 don't come from town

Pedit: What more do you want me to do? I'm pretty convinced it's you and I've given the alternatives if it's not. I think I've set town up to when even after I'm gone. You just want me to do more because you don't like that my conclusion ensures you're faded tomorrow

[Black]

I think BBmolla's scum partner is in you/Roulette/Sky in that order.

So this was just a lie or what?

[Black]

UNVOTE:

lemme think

I don't really get this. I'm assuming you're unvoting because you're starting to think it could be gob? If that's the case then wouldn't it make sense to fade me here?

[Black]

The way gob makes Sky hang follow after Black hang is scummy.

this is why i snap unvoted

960 seems like a post scum would make if they know someone is about to flip town imminently

Yeah I'm feeling this, and now gob is backtracking on the solve he was so convinced about in order to save face

Flip me and then flip gob. I don't see how it's not just gg after that

[Black]

Ok chill

I'll spend some time considering I could be wrong about you and see what I think then

[Black]

lemme think

intent, i guess

Nice thoughts?

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Starting to think maybe it could be sky instead of gob, but I'm not convinced

Meh

I'm pretty sure it's not Roulette or bella though so as long as we go me --> gob --> sky, town should win

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Because I think it's gob, and if it's not gob then I think it's you

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Ehh I don't think I would let you get to ELO even if I lived here. I would consider voting sky before you though but if she flipped town I think it would have to be you next

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I do want to look over some Skygazer stuff but I'm busy for the rest of the night. I'll have time in the morning

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I kinda have zero motivation to figure out if it's gob or sky here. We win as long as it's not bella or Roulette and I think everyone agrees it's probably not them, so let's go me --> sky --> gob and that's probably just gg

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I'm down to fade someone other than me but I don't see that benefiting anyone but me in regards to trying to figure this out

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I went over Roulette/molla interactions in 840 and Bella/molla interactions in 858. I think Roulette fits as a partner more than bella. Did you get a chance to look at these?

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there's a distinct lack of panic in this game state right now which makes me think scum are comfy which points towards roulette or bella imo

i think gob is probably just town

Why is gob town?