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[KeyLaga]

@Khaos: Dewd! There is!!!

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[biancospino]

1.08 (UNCHANGED)

Votecount 1.08

Gamma Emerald (3): Naerys, Bingle, Elements
Bingle (3): Random Nurse, Organized Khaos, KeyLaga
KeyLaga (1): Flavor Leaf
Organized Khaos (1): OutWorldER

Not Voting (5): mayhemthrone, Eiralox, KittyTacky,

Celebloki

, Gamma Emerald

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to secure an execution.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2023-11-16 10:02:20).

[KittyTacky]

I'm surprised there's an IC in this game, so Scum is probably packing heat?

VOTE: KeyLaga

Wdym? IC is actually a very weak role in the wider spectrum of things. Basically the only thing we can deduce there is that there’s some method of kill prevention but that it’s not foolproof.

Well… there’s a lot of other minor considerations, but that’s the one that’s most likely to be relevant.

I'm informed and my info is there's no method of kill prevention, it's just setup wifom for scum

@Kitty: You said that the scum knows there is TP, is that also explicitly stated as the Informed part of your role?

Yes it's as explicit as it can be.

reached any conclusion on this kitty katty....?

Ele said it was a joke. Which is a bizarre coincidence to make in a game that revolves around informeds.

[Eiralox]

Ele said it was a joke. Which is a bizarre coincidence to make in a game that revolves around informeds.

and what u thinking bout Bingle bringing the subject up? Also, do u trust Flavor's informed claim?

[KeyLaga]

@Kitty: Your analysis is quite scary! Could it even be possible that Elements is scum because they knew the town had multiple informed roles and that's how they learned about it?? Man, that is really frightening if true but its like you are saying its simple: Elements knew about the Informeds because he is scum and therefore it is no coincidence at all, eh?

[Gamma Emerald]

UPDATE: Flavor moved to null, Eira moved to weak scum for UTR behavior.

"I'm caught up but I can't recall"? Oh ya sure.

Keep going itll end up well for you.

What is the point of this post?

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma´s 262 doesnt feel like townie mindset.

Bingle vaguepushed me in a recent game where we were both town and this feels like a similar vibe so I’m just gonna tune out the push until he decides to play the game

[KeyLaga]

Btw that "Informed" claim was scummy too -- who needs to know more that "the town has no protection roles", the scum right?? Funniest thing though, she was counter-claimed by yourself! Does this make Elements the original rolefisher after all!? I mean is it like the scum are asking: "Btw, town, do you have any protection roles?" which is what I thought originally.

This is kind of difficult to think through, she is skating by simply because "scum wouldn't do something so obvious because they would get caught" and yet I am giving her a pass for exactly that same reason!

PEDIT: Dangit I did it again! I'm gonna get replaced out at this rate >.<

[Gamma Emerald]

Maybe post slower my god

[Elements]

Was there much suspicion on Smiley at the end of day 1?

[Naerys]

Was there much suspicion on Smiley at the end of day 1?

Wrong game, i believe.

[KeyLaga]

SANITY CHECK!

Thank you Kitty for helping me to be sane: The Scum Know We Have Protection Roles

This destroys my case on Bingle and I never have to revisit it again (that case is over).

Now one last thing to cover before I re-group afresh...

[Elements]

Was there much suspicion on Smiley at the end of day 1?

Wrong game, i believe.

Yup, thanks for that

[KeyLaga]

@Kitty: For my game-long sanity, could please expound on your statement that you only wished to "inform the IC's play":

Oh and Mafia knows that there is a protective so I didn't ruin any possible play, I only helped inform (no pun intended) the IC's play.

[KeyLaga]

Anyone familiar with LAL?

Its a classic Mafia theory which means: Lim All Liars

It is a theory because liars are more probable to be scum than not & because when enforced as a site meta, it discourages such behavior. It is also well known in the various Mafia guides that lying about one's role as town is discouraged because it causes doubt and confusion in the town and is very likely to backfire.

So the question is: Should we run Elements up here under LAL?

VOTE: Unvote

[Naerys]

hat lying about one's role as town is discouraged because it causes doubt and confusion in the town and is very likely to backfire.

large 244 is example of this

[Naerys]

Should we run Elements up here under LAL?

Seems like fine lim for me

[Naerys]

UNVOTE: Gamma
VOTE: Elements

[KeyLaga]

I guess the answer is no, its impossible for scum to pull a move like that, its like saying there is no Cop; its scum suicide. What could possibly be the benefit of risking it...

OMGOSH.

Ok, I am going to start a wagon and I want people to think about it and if there is any deeper meaning to being Informed.

I think the scum noticed something about the Informed theme and I think Nurse knows what it is.

VOTE: Elements

I think there is something deeper the scum were willing to risk for and if what I am saying makes sense, I think they should pay with one of their own.

[KittyTacky]

VOTE: Elements

I'm busy this night so I'll catch up and respond to all questions tomorrow.

[KeyLaga]

I think she decided to take one for the team, believing that she could just play it off as "scum hunting". If I am right, it almost worked too (at least on me).

[Bingle]

Bingle vaguepushed me in a recent game where we were both town and this feels like a similar vibe so I’m just gonna tune out the push until he decides to play the game

Nice Shade, Gamma

[Bingle]

WRT Flavor Leaf, I literally joined this game on the back of his presence. We work very well together, when both town. He was in my first modded game and I have reviewed or comodded quite a few games with him. In fact, he reached out to me to comod/review a game not long before this one started.

I was intentionally ignoring his presence in this game to see what he would do about it. I was, to put it simply, unimpressed. He 'derailed' a shit wagon on me, sure, but that wagon was going nowhere fast. KL also doesn't really get any cred for the unvote/vote/unvote bit wrt my wagon dissipating, for largely the same reason. If anything, the dance there was fucking awful. But that's kind of the point: KL was pushing me, got worried they might be wrong, freaked out, and then came back and doubled down. It's a bad progression for catching scum and for appearances, but it's a natural progression for someone who is legitimately trying to figure out what I'm doing.

[Bingle]

Anyone familiar with LAL?

Policy lims are a measure of last resort. We are no where near resorting to a policy lim this phase.

[biancospino]

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