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[Dannflor]

VC 2.1

Somebody's Watching Me

Black [2]:

Enchant, Naerys

Naerys [2]:

Hu Tao, OutWorldER

Enchant [1]:

Black

Thestatusquo [1]:

TheHoldSteady

Not Voting [6]:

SmileyDude1, AnimatedWiz, Roden, TheHoldSteady, BlackStar, usesPython

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate. Day 2 ends in (expired on 2023-11-14 12:58:34).

Mod Notes:

[TheHoldSteady]

We live in society where insults are thrown by town. For mafia it considered bad taste.

I agree

[Black]

So Enchant is the Naerys partner

Enchant feels kinda annoyed and frustrated here compared to how frivolous he was D1. I would probably feel this way too if my kill didn't go through

GGEZ

You say Enchant is the one who feels annoyed and frustrated but Enchant wasn't the one who raged at another player and called them brainless.

The difference to me is that Shea can be pretty abrasive at times and he showed that somewhat with some of his arguments D1, whereas Enchant's attitude feels completely different than D1

[TheHoldSteady]

Status's day one was really, really bad

but they seem town thus far here

dunno what to make of it

[Black]

VOTE: Black
Positioning? WTF?
You are the one who goaded me into voting, which i unfortunately fell for

I mean you said it was the best course of action so it sounds like you would have voted there anyway? I don't see how that makes me scummy fypov

Are you going to make a case against me or is this all you have?

This feels subtly defensive

Sure, I can get defensive as town, but really I'm just trying to figure out if Naerys's read on me is real or not

[Black]

Enchant is starting to seem more like his town self to me. Meanwhile, I thought Status's push on Wartortle was the drizzling shits. That's where my vote is going.

VOTE: TheStatusQuo

Maybe I'm wrong, maybe Status is town and Enchant is scum

I don't really like this progression

Enchant/THS is my new solve

[Black]

Status's day one was really, really bad

but they seem town thus far here

dunno what to make of it

Why do you think Shea seem town here?

[TheHoldSteady]

Enchant is starting to seem more like his town self to me. Meanwhile, I thought Status's push on Wartortle was the drizzling shits. That's where my vote is going.

VOTE: TheStatusQuo

Maybe I'm wrong, maybe Status is town and Enchant is scum

I don't really like this progression

Why not?

[Black]

Something about the hedginess feels unnatural to me

[TheHoldSteady]

I don't know what you mean by hedginess

[Black]

Why do you think Shea seems town here?

[TheHoldSteady]

Status's day one was really, really bad

but they seem town thus far here

dunno what to make of it

Why do you think Shea seem town here?

850 demonstrates restraint in a way I'd expect to come from town, not scum. I think it shows a townie mindset to step back from your anger and see someone as town.

873 I agree

[TheHoldSteady]

Enchant seems awkward but I did read 864 as town

[Black]

Hmm. Ok. That could be a real read

[Naerys]

whereas Enchant's attitude feels completely different than D1

Enchant hates D1. And does everything possible to make that stage as short as possible.
Cant blame Enchant for hating D1. I prefer later stages of game too.

[AnimatedWiz]

The speed of going from "maybe they didn't kill anyone" to immediately agreeing that "not killing would've been the wrong" was too abrupt

I mean, I did say it was still a possibility for them to not NK, but I do think Naerys is right that it makes more sense for the NK to just have been blocked—I personally don’t know of a good reason to mess up the math for the mindgames that come with this, but I’m new.

Trying to not overcomplicate my analysis and or miss the forest for the trees, y’know?

[Black]

whereas Enchant's attitude feels completely different than D1

Enchant hates D1. And does everything possible to make that stage as short as possible.
Cant blame Enchant for hating D1. I prefer later stages of game too.

You're implying here that he doesn't lolhammer on other days which isn't true. And wouldn't D1 go by faster if he actually tried to solve people and push things instead of whatever the heck he does?

Also you seem really familiar with Enchant so it feels strange that you blamed me for the lolhammer when you clearly forgot about him too

[Naerys]

I played with Enchant in large 244, which is recent experience. True, even there they lolhammered later in the game - and they were town. I dont think this is AI for Enchant, tbh.

[Naerys]

whereas Enchant's attitude feels completely different than D1

Enchant hates D1. And does everything possible to make that stage as short as possible.
Cant blame Enchant for hating D1. I prefer later stages of game too.

You're implying here that he doesn't lolhammer on other days which isn't true. And wouldn't D1 go by faster if he actually tried to solve people and push things instead of whatever the heck he does?

Also you seem really familiar with Enchant so it feels strange that you blamed me for the lolhammer when you clearly forgot about him too

I blame you for manipulating me. Although i should blame myself more tbh

[TheHoldSteady]

WorldER, usesPython, SmileyDude1 one is probably scum

[AnimatedWiz]

I am, hm… I feel like this beginning to D2 has changed some of my reads a bit. I do think BlackStar is town, and Black too. Enchant is… being vastly different from earlier, but I can’t exactly say that’s alignment-indicative—just definitely notable.

I’m getting somewhat scummy vibes from Shea, but I’m unsure if I’m just, uh, reading this wrong—just the reaction to the D2 opening from Naerys feels weird in my gut and I can’t actually figure out why. I need to comb through the ISO and see if I can identify anything that would make me feel this way.

And Naerys feels… genuinely frustrated. I just feel like the woman’s getting piled on here, and I’m far less sure in my scumread as a result. I can’t say I townread her, but she’s approaching null.

[Black]

I played with Enchant in large 244, which is recent experience. True, even there they lolhammered later in the game - and they were town. I dont think this is AI for Enchant, tbh.

I don't think anyone is arguing that the lolhammer is AI for him

whereas Enchant's attitude feels completely different than D1

Enchant hates D1. And does everything possible to make that stage as short as possible.
Cant blame Enchant for hating D1. I prefer later stages of game too.

You're implying here that he doesn't lolhammer on other days which isn't true. And wouldn't D1 go by faster if he actually tried to solve people and push things instead of whatever the heck he does?

Also you seem really familiar with Enchant so it feels strange that you blamed me for the lolhammer when you clearly forgot about him too

I blame you for manipulating me. Although i should blame myself more tbh

Manipulating you? You said voting Wartortle was the best course of action. Smh

My point is that if you're town then it doesn't make sense for you to think I'm lying about forgetting about Enchant's tendencies to lolhammer when you did it too

[Naerys]

WorldER, usesPython, SmileyDude1 one is probably scum

Is this based on their position at Wartortle wagon?

[TheHoldSteady]

Quick hammering day one is a play I would never make as scum because it's naturally going to bring negative attention to myself. Same with placing at e-1. So look in the middle of the bandwagon where your scum vote is not as likely to draw attention and you're more likely to find a scum.

[AnimatedWiz]

Quick hammering day one is a play I would never make as scum because it's naturally going to bring negative attention to myself. Same with placing at e-1. So look in the middle of the bandwagon where your scum vote is not as likely to draw attention and you're more likely to find a scum.

I can see what you’re saying. Out of the three you mentioned, is there one you think is scummier than the others?