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Post Post #900 (ISO) » Tue Nov 07, 2023 10:02 am

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In post 898, TheHoldSteady wrote: Quick hammering day one is a play I would never make as scum because it's naturally going to bring negative attention to myself. Same with placing at e-1. So look in the middle of the bandwagon where your scum vote is not as likely to draw attention and you're more likely to find a scum.
I know. Scum tends to try to hide in the middle of the wagon... or outside the wagon.I think Wartortle wagon contains max. 2 scum.
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Post Post #901 (ISO) » Tue Nov 07, 2023 10:05 am

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In post 898, TheHoldSteady wrote: Quick hammering day one is a play I would never make as scum because it's naturally going to bring negative attention to myself. Same with placing at e-1. So look in the middle of the bandwagon where your scum vote is not as likely to draw attention and you're more likely to find a scum.
Enchant will quick hammer as town or scum so you can't really use this logic on him
I scumread Alianna.

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Post Post #902 (ISO) » Tue Nov 07, 2023 10:10 am

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In post 878, TheHoldSteady wrote: Status's day one was really, really bad

but they seem town thus far here

dunno what to make of it
He made a bad case

I don't think that makes him scum though
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Post Post #903 (ISO) » Tue Nov 07, 2023 10:10 am

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Hm, okay, upon looking back over Shea’s ISO, I think I see the issue.

I think I’m confusing the weird vibes I get when analyzing play really different from mine with actual scummy play. A lot of the posts and analysis he’s had don’t really line up with anything I would say, but not every player is like me (whether due to having more experience, or a different role, or just a different base personality). I gotta ask for some clarification on things in the future to make sure I’m right about that, but…

Back to townlean for now.
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Post Post #904 (ISO) » Tue Nov 07, 2023 10:15 am

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VOTE: OWER
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Post Post #905 (ISO) » Tue Nov 07, 2023 10:18 am

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I have to go to work very soon, but it's my last week so after the 11th I'll be able to be more present, since the only thing on my plate afterwards is setting up appointments with college advisors.

Nothing in the last few pages has swayed me off a Naerys vote, I just don't think her read on Black feels real at all, her End of D1 interactions with Enchant in and doesn't feel like a real progression and I think Wartortle was right when he called it out
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Post Post #906 (ISO) » Tue Nov 07, 2023 10:18 am

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In post 904, Roden wrote: VOTE: OWER
reasons?
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Post Post #907 (ISO) » Tue Nov 07, 2023 10:22 am

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In post 905, OutWorldER wrote: I have to go to work very soon, but it's my last week so after the 11th I'll be able to be more present, since the only thing on my plate afterwards is setting up appointments with college advisors.

Nothing in the last few pages has swayed me off a Naerys vote, I just don't think her read on Black feels real at all, her End of D1 interactions with Enchant in and doesn't feel like a real progression and I think Wartortle was right when he called it out
So, beceause i didnt go full attack mode at Black, i have to be scum?
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Post Post #908 (ISO) » Tue Nov 07, 2023 10:22 am

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In post 905, OutWorldER wrote: I have to go to work very soon, but it's my last week so after the 11th I'll be able to be more present, since the only thing on my plate afterwards is setting up appointments with college advisors.
Oh, hopefully everything goes well!
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Post Post #909 (ISO) » Tue Nov 07, 2023 10:43 am

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In fact correct, if i don't think you are town and you are at E-1, Omae Wa Mou Shindeiru.


I think everyone should play like that.
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Post Post #910 (ISO) » Tue Nov 07, 2023 11:36 am

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VOTE: Black
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Post Post #911 (ISO) » Tue Nov 07, 2023 11:45 am

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Initial impressions from day 1 flip.

Feel better about AnimatedWiz. Would've been fairly easy for him to shift onto the Wartortle wagon given they harbored a scumread on the slot earlier that didn't initially take off. Pings as the opposite of opportunistic for me. Would probably put the slot as a townread right now.

TheStausQuo's case on Wartortle doesn't really strike me as impure in hindsight even though it was wrong. I don't think they were pushing a false case onto Wartortle (It felt reasoned enough for me to vote on it given additional evidence of his point) so much as one that wasn't SI of the slot. Think I still have him as a town lean.

I feel worse about usesPython now. I can't quite pinpoint what it is, but something about their progression towards voting Wartortle feels off to me. I think it might be the lack of comment on the case on Wartortle before hand, making their vote their vote feel like more of an opportunistic sheep to me. Think the slot has moved down to null in my eyes.
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Post Post #912 (ISO) » Tue Nov 07, 2023 11:46 am

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In post 910, BlackStar wrote: VOTE: Black
Go on
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Post Post #913 (ISO) » Tue Nov 07, 2023 11:46 am

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In post 358, Enchant wrote: VOTE: SmileyDude1

No one finds this one suspicious? By suspicious i mean in "Not Townie Way". I am townie so i know how townie could act!
In post 394, Enchant wrote: I don't understand, do you want to implue i am not townie? Oh my, that's impossible. I am totally townie without any secret agenda!

I think any other townie also clearly see that SmileyDude1 is
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criminal and if failing so, i find it very-very-very-very suspicious because i am so town so why you would doubt me?
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In post 700, Naerys wrote: UNVOTE: Hu Tao
VOTE: Wartortle

Since we are slowly running out of time, i believe this is the best course of action.
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Wtf? Why would you hammer so fast?
Why not
He claimed cop afterward. If he’s telling the truth, then you just lost us a PR. It doesn’t seem like you care
As i already told i would't believe it anyway.
Methinks it would've been useful to see how others interacted with the claim, but what's done has been done at this point.
You are scum.
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I'll ask again. Why do you think i'm scum? This is starting to come off as shade to me.
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Post Post #914 (ISO) » Tue Nov 07, 2023 11:47 am

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Think i'm going back to here VOTE: Naerys

FWIW I do get town pings based on tone but i've been burned by using that before. Haven't really gotten any town vibes from them based on play, and there's been multiple moments where I found their play to be suspect
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Post Post #915 (ISO) » Tue Nov 07, 2023 11:50 am

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In post 914, SmileyDude1 wrote: Think i'm going back to here VOTE: Naerys

FWIW I do get town pings based on tone but i've been burned by using that before. Haven't really gotten any town vibes from them based on play, and there's been multiple moments where I found their play to be suspect
Which moments?
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Post Post #916 (ISO) » Tue Nov 07, 2023 11:53 am

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In post 898, TheHoldSteady wrote: Quick hammering day one is a play I would never make as scum because it's naturally going to bring negative attention to myself. Same with placing at e-1. So look in the middle of the bandwagon where your scum vote is not as likely to draw attention and you're more likely to find a scum.
This kind of thinking only works if the game is moving fast enough for people to be skipping posts, people are still gonna be noticing votes regardless of where you put them down on a game this small
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Post Post #917 (ISO) » Tue Nov 07, 2023 11:54 am

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Hot take: scum were off wagon and just silently letting it go through
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Post Post #918 (ISO) » Tue Nov 07, 2023 11:56 am

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In post 917, usesPython wrote: Hot take: scum were off wagon and just silently letting it go through
I have a feeling that atleast one scum was on the wagon.
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Post Post #919 (ISO) » Tue Nov 07, 2023 11:56 am

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VOTE: Blackstar
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Post Post #920 (ISO) » Tue Nov 07, 2023 11:57 am

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In post 919, usesPython wrote: VOTE: Blackstar
Why?
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Post Post #921 (ISO) » Tue Nov 07, 2023 11:57 am

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In post 912, Black wrote:
In post 910, BlackStar wrote: VOTE: Black
Go on
It just seems like you’re controlling the flow of the game more than anyone else. You were one of the people who pushed the Wartortle wagon through. As soon as the day started you worked to get the Naerys wagon going.

You seem to make a lot of posts along the lines of “I think these people are partners, this looks like the solve” and the confidence behind those posts feels unearned.

This is admittedly weak, but I mostly just go off of vibes and tone. It feels like you just want to push lims through
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Post Post #922 (ISO) » Tue Nov 07, 2023 12:00 pm

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In post 915, Naerys wrote:
In post 914, SmileyDude1 wrote: Think i'm going back to here VOTE: Naerys

FWIW I do get town pings based on tone but i've been burned by using that before. Haven't really gotten any town vibes from them based on play, and there's been multiple moments where I found their play to be suspect
Which moments?
Got pings frim your vote on the early day 1 Hold wagon (It felt sheepy to me and put that wagon at E-2 which pinged me a bit).

See my for my main gripe. Your progression in relation to Wiz that I laid out there felt scummy to me.
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Post Post #923 (ISO) » Tue Nov 07, 2023 12:02 pm

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In post 920, Naerys wrote:
In post 919, usesPython wrote: VOTE: Blackstar
Why?
Like 60% gamestate read, I think going from being completely meh about the Wartle wagon to suddenly hating it and the people on the wagon after it went through is scummy as hell
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Post Post #924 (ISO) » Tue Nov 07, 2023 12:02 pm

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In post 921, BlackStar wrote: It just seems like you’re controlling the flow of the game more than anyone else. You were one of the people who pushed the Wartortle wagon through. As soon as the day started you worked to get the Naerys wagon going.
I post a lot, yeah, but I don't think that's scum indicative, especially for me. If I'm scum here then what would be the benefit of backing off of Naerys after I helped build the wagon?
In post 921, BlackStar wrote: You seem to make a lot of posts along the lines of “I think these people are partners, this looks like the solve” and the confidence behind those posts feels unearned.
There isn't confidence behind these posts
In post 921, BlackStar wrote: It feels like you just want to push lims through
If you're saying you think I'm trying to rush the day, that's just not true. I don't do that as scum or as town
I scumread Alianna.

ALL HAIL THE SCUM QUEEN!

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