Mini Normal 2317 - Postgame

[KittyTacky]

No I do think it makes Ele more likely scum. But it's not a 100% condemnation.

[Eiralox]

has anyone had the thought that bingle and keylama...laga can be aligned?

i don't know if someone has asked it or how serious i'm aboot it but
felt it early
dismissed it
now maybe just curious

idk i doubt we got masons maybe i think early i figured laga can be bussing bingle, nothing solid
it's just i sort of don't understand laga's lack of reaction to bingle voting moi
and if elements town
i can imagine her being sized up as a mislim here idk

then again all my reads are fairy castles in the fog rn so whatever just wanna know i guess
laga's first vote on be felt opportunic af btw and the quick retraction felt sort of yucky. still don't have solid reads here kitty did feel town but eh..... a few things bothering me so far.

[Eiralox]

this whole elements push from laga started when i asked kitty about elements so
if ANYONne also wanna share how they feel about that progression it might be interesting

[Naerys]

Hm...
Ele vs Key might be TvT
Also, greetings Doctor Drew

[Elements]

Kitty could be an informed traitor

Why would I out my informed to town then?

I don't actually think you're a traitor
But if you were then outing it to the town is also outing it to your team

[Elements]

Remember if we believe Elements is town then we believe he oopsed an Inform claim in a Informed themed game, where as town he should of had no prior knowledge. Prior knowledge could only have come from one place, the scum PT.

Again, where was it stated this is a informed game??

I'm informed that at least 1 scum is informed, and Flavor leaf is separately informed.

Do scum get informed individually or are they informed as part of their factional abil8ty?

[Eiralox]

informed is an individual role modifier

[Elements]

Cool

[KittyTacky]

Kitty could be an informed traitor

Why would I out my informed to town then?

I don't actually think you're a traitor
But if you were then outing it to the town is also outing it to your team

My informed is that scum knows that there is a PR.

There is no benefit in outing that to scum, because they already have the information useful for them!

[KittyTacky]

If anything this discounts me from being a traitor.

[Elements]

Kitty could be an informed traitor

Why would I out my informed to town then?

I don't actually think you're a traitor
But if you were then outing it to the town is also outing it to your team

My informed is that scum knows that there is a PR.

There is no benefit in outing that to scum, because they already have the information useful for them!

in the trator scenario you're informed is "there is a town protective"

[Bingle]

First of all, both elements and chell are mildly sus based on the informed claims, and solely the informed claims.

However, key is absolutely wrong about elements’ claim being obvscum behavior. If elements claimed information that she didn’t actually have as scum informed, it paints a target on her back and kills the long term survivability of the slot. She will always be a little scummy associated with the claim, and scum elements would have known that.

Regardless of elements’ actual alignment, I’m not particularly interested in wagoning her atm because the game has been entirely too focused on the mech and not enough focused on the players themselves. And that’s coming from me. I don’t think we learn much of value from eel’s flip either way just yet, and I want to explore other directions. FMPOV there are some fairly town slots and a bunch of slots who are just kind of meh. I want to focus on other slots that are kind of meh to make them less kind of meh.

Eiralox, who is your biggest suspect outside of the ‘1v1’?

[Elements]

First of all, both elements and chell are mildly sus based on the informed claims, and solely the informed claims.

However, key is absolutely wrong about elements’ claim being obvscum behavior. If elements claimed information that she didn’t actually have as scum informed, it paints a target on her back and kills the long term survivability of the slot. She will always be a little scummy associated with the claim, and scum elements would have known that.

Regardless of elements’ actual alignment, I’m not particularly interested in wagoning her atm because the game has been entirely too focused on the mech and not enough focused on the players themselves. And that’s coming from me. I don’t think we learn much of value from eel’s flip either way just yet, and I want to explore other directions. FMPOV there are some fairly town slots and a bunch of slots who are just kind of meh. I want to focus on other slots that are kind of meh to make them less kind of meh.

Eiralox, who is your biggest suspect outside of the ‘1v1’?

town post

[Bingle]

I’ll probably post my notes on the plist tonight, but I do want to hear unvarnished thoughts before then. I know this feels like a bad idea, key, but for thread health could you drop the elements push for 48 hours?

[KeyLaga]

Dewd, thank you for the heads up. Ya I plan on totally refocusing. First up in priority is to ISO Drew and try to read his entrance as his slot is completely null. I think we all need to here from Chell as well.

Maybe next is for me to ISO each player and get a fresh view. I can of course identify by list those are the most lurkey/non-commital. On that score I like Eira's uptick in activity, somehow they got very active recently but not sure why... :shrug:

Ok so my plate now is full with other things. Thanks for the great posting.

[Gamma Emerald]

have you played with Khaos before?

This is Khaos FIRST GAME.

I meant offsite, duh

[Organized Khaos]

I have missed a lot, can somebody tell me what's been happening

[Gamma Emerald]

There’s debate over Elements being scum for faking Informed when the game has potential incentive to do so

[Gamma Emerald]

Side note: I think something that’s bothering me about Key is he seems to be at least partially self-aware, which ends up looking self-conscious

[KeyLaga]

Just need to state for the record that my push was pretty extreme and I need to re-adjust for the benefit of the game state and I am being very intentional and transparent about that.

[KeyLaga]

I have missed a lot, can somebody tell me what's been happening

Btw, did you figure out how to use the isolate button? How is that going?

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay do you two know each other from somewhere other than MS?

[KeyLaga]

Ok the people with the very least input are:

Chell -- Flavor didn't leave too much to go one, he seemed rather subdued from other games I have seen him in, Chell has not yet caught up nor posted

Khaos -- Mostly inactive, no reads, single Vote for Bingle, expressed a desire to ISO players

Nurse -- Very few posts, single RVS push/Vote for Bingle, RVS queries -- nothing of substance recently -- well known maybe people have meta?

I am going to leave the "mid level low input" list for another time, it will just fall into my regular ISO review.

[KeyLaga]

@Gamma: No but we both have played Werewolf off site; we have never met virtually or otherwise. For me Werewolf was my first exposure to informed minority/shared chat day/night type games.

[KeyLaga]

I don't have Meta on Drew or anything but I read his entrance as organic & town, especially for his de-escalation attempts between Elements/Myself but without choosing sides; scum could have very easily and without suspicion pushed one side or another.