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[Gamma Emerald]

i think that's a scum reaction to the wagon tbh

appeal to the IC + shading the wagon pretty generally while not engaging with any specific vote as likely to be scum

So: eira asking celeb for reads scummy
Eira shading the wagon generally.... three people with no reasons voting eira... what other shade is there this early in the game? Snould i shade just you? Who?

Not engaging with a spes9fic vote. I asked u bingle and out y u voting me already.


?????
Please tell me youre town cos your scum team is in trouble if this is an actual push

This made me smile a little, I kinda wanna TR that last line

[Organized Khaos]

Why is Chell feel like mafia trying to control discussion to me? Especially with the baiting a newbie (me) to vote for a random person when the newbie in question (also me) has stated that they have been having trouble making up their mind on who to vote and is clearly confused. Maybe it's just me but I think Chell is the most sus person here.
VOTE: Chell
Change my mind.

[Chell]

:thonk:

[KeyLaga]

Caught scum-lurking is the most prominent feature of my thoughts on Eira; faking a catch-up and then not even trying to answer the question posed = scum coasting.

[KeyLaga]

That scum tone with Celeb it feels like umm, like how do I put it into words, scum-creepy I think.

[KeyLaga]

Because I hate D1, I have a pass for coasting; I cannot buy this.

[Naerys]

I dont get how someone TR Eira, tbh. From my point of view, that behavior is anti-town at best. If someone could explain, why they think Eira is town, i would welcome that.

[KeyLaga]

I support Khaos' logic and stance regarding Eira; firmly resisting wagoning on something he doesn't believe in -- this is a town mindset.

@Khaos: Can you re-read everyone's posts on Eira and comment?

[Organized Khaos]

@Khaos: Can you re-read everyone's posts on Eira and comment?

Can you point me to the right posts
I am not very good at navigating these forums yet.

[KeyLaga]

Ok you can use the pages down at the bottom right, where we are on Page 32 (in red) and I dunno, I would start maybe Page 29, just click the 29 square and look around. I will go research it and post the exact link to the beginning.

[KeyLaga]

You COULD iso Chell and find it, then click the POST NUMBER (in white, like "784") to get into the thread again.

[KeyLaga]

Start Of The Case On Eira

[Elements]

Eira isn't necessarily town, but this day one play isn't scum indicative

[KeyLaga]

Please expand this concept. Meta sources would be much appreciated. There is much about this case that gives me the "we have scum for realz this time" vibes, like the deep ones, where I don't want to let go.

[KeyLaga]

At this point it looks like we have a middle-level scum coaster which I think is what we want; I mean he is not like a lurker because IRL but an actual deliberate coasting player who approached Celeb like a wolf before its next meal.

[Celebloki]

We do still have a week until deadline. I don't think it's necessary that we rush to night on anyone yet.

I am curious to hear more about why Eira scumreads you. I think it's interesting that their scumreads are all people that have gone after them, so I'm curious if they have more to say other than OMGUS reasons.

[Alianna]

1.15

Votecount 1.15

Eiralox (3): OutWorldER, Naerys, KeyLaga
Naerys (2): Bingle, Eiralox
Chell (2): Elements, Organized Khaos
Elements (1): KittyTacky
Organized Khaos (1): Gamma Emerald
Bingle (1): Random Nurse

Celebloki

(1): Chell

Not Voting (2): Doctor Drew,

Celebloki

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to secure an execution.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2023-11-16 10:02:20).

[Bingle]

Eira here feels almost exactly like Eira town in TLich's GIdea, where they caught me on a bunch of completely wrong reasons and unflipped associatives with people who weren't my scummates (RH9 and Rat). Chell's push on Eira feels exactly like my push on Eira, but here's the kicker: I think that makes her town. I was absolutely convinced that Eira was scum there largely for all the same reasons Chell has discussed because it was multiball and I was genuinely looking for scum.

Naerys otoh, feels like an opportunistic pile on to someone who is getting a bunch of heat and refusing to engage over it. I'm also not a huge fan of the major uptick in activity right after I called out for people who hadn't done much of anything to receive scrutiny.

[KeyLaga]

I will cover my early RVS case on him. The townlocking was weird and looked performative/over-compensative and so when my weak (but it was something at least) push on Bingle was over after he revealed his experience, the only other push available was Eira and so I voted because the townlocks. Then it suddenly hit me! He just townlocked the last 3 remaining players that had not yet posted! Furthermore, the post was so natural as he cracked a joke and I immediately withdrew.

I don't see why he takes offense at this since he knows why he townlocked those players and he could clearly see that I knew; so I think he is using it as a disingenuous excuse.

[Elements]

KeyLaga
Chell
Gamma Emerald

Doctor Drew
Organized Khaos
Random Nurse
Naerys
OutWorldER

KittyTacky
Eiralox
Bingle
Celebloki

[KeyLaga]

This is more of what I don't like about Eira, the behavior that is not genuine (faking a catchup) and then when we do see genuine behavior it looks like he just bathed in the scum PT ("You're going to die Celeb but its OK, lets try a safe case").

[Bingle]

Interesting about face on Key, Ele. Care to elaborate?

[KeyLaga]

Faked Catchup: All Caught Up but 3 minutes later: WHOOPS

Creepy Celeb Encounter: You're going to die but maybe you'll live if you don't try too hard

[Doctor Drew]

Eira here feels almost exactly like Eira town in TLich's GIdea, where they caught me on a bunch of completely wrong reasons and unflipped associatives with people who weren't my scummates (RH9 and Rat). Chell's push on Eira feels exactly like my push on Eira, but here's the kicker: I think that makes her town. I was absolutely convinced that Eira was scum there largely for all the same reasons Chell has discussed because it was multiball and I was genuinely looking for scum.

Naerys otoh, feels like an opportunistic pile on to someone who is getting a bunch of heat and refusing to engage over it. I'm also not a huge fan of the major uptick in activity right after I called out for people who hadn't done much of anything to receive scrutiny.

Is this the only experience with them? Not that I am calling your read of them into question per se, but I would to see their scum game as well

VOTE: Eira

[Organized Khaos]

Faked Catchup: All Caught Up but 3 minutes later: WHOOPS

Creepy Celeb Encounter: You're going to die but maybe you'll live if you don't try too hard

Huh, that is pretty weird. But I still think Chell is maf, maybe Chell is just bussing? (you guys do call a mafia member trying to lynch another mafia member bussing, right?)