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1.25 (UNCHANGED)

Votecount 1.25

Eiralox (4): Naerys, KeyLaga, Doctor Drew, Chell
Naerys (3): Bingle, OutWorldER, Eiralox
Elements (3): KittyTacky, Gamma Emerald, Elements
Chell (1): Organized Khaos

Not Voting (2):

Celebloki

, Random Nurse

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to secure an execution.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2023-11-16 10:02:20).

[Elements]

Key's Case On Elements

A dissection

Relevent Game Events

Spoiler:

20 - Elements claims informed that there are no town protectives
22 - Key's first question reguarding the claim
29 - Kitty asserts suspicion on Elements' claim
43 - FL/Chell claims informed that everyone massclaiming is a good idea
46 - Elements comments about it being a negative utility informaiton setup
48 - Kitty postulates it's an informed themed game
212 - Kitty claims informed that is the opposite to Elements' informed claim
220 - Elements retracts their claim, saying it was a joke
264 - Key TRing Elements
339 - Key proposes lim all liars on Elements

Key's Proposed World

For those that haven't read it enough times already

This is an informed themed game
Scum team of 3, 2 of which are informed
Elements claimed informed that there are no town protectives to role fish for PRs so scum know who to kill
Kitty counterclaimed Elements outing it as scum

Assumptions Key has made to form this world

This is an informed theme game - We know of 1 informed role, likely 2 given the nature of the claim. That does not imply an informed theme game.
2 of the scum team are informed - see above

The entire basis for Key's push on me is based on an assumption based on 1 informed claim and 2 fake informed claims
It is not a good case

[Elements]

I'm now done
If y'all still listen to Key I'll have fun complaining about you in the dead thread

[KeyLaga]

It is yet to be seen who will be the lim for today, its up to the town. Right now the established wagon is on Eira, so it looks like you're not done yet. Maybe the town will have mercy upon you and decide to slay you first; I mean you are the author of all the evil that has had consequential contact with this town. We'll see though. Again please play to your wincon.

[Elements]

I'm clearly playing to my wincon

[KeyLaga]

Yes I guess AtE is a means to that end, sure.

[Elements]

I am not using ate

[KeyLaga]

Ok, kewl. Glad to hear it.

[KittyTacky]

Let's All Vote Key

A thought experiment

KeyLage currently has almost 400 posts. That's nearly the same amount as the other 3 top posters combined.
Key is clogging the thread
Most of what Key is saying is just repeating himself, not actually adding any new content to the game

Alive

If Key is town

Town Key will never be night killed. His insistant spamming will always and only ever serve scum.
Key is hard tunneling players. If any of these players are town, scum can use this to get an easy mislim and then push most of the blame onto Key, lining up yet another mislim.

If Key is scum

Key is forcing the game to center around himself. The shear quantity of his posts means it's impossible for there to be a meaningful interation that doesn't involve him, letting Key influence every part of the game.
Key's play seems to be largely townread so if scum it's clearly working for him.

Dead

The thread stops being spammed by repeated posts that don't really say anything or add to the gamestate

If Key is town

There are interactions between Key and every player, therefore it is a high info flip.

If Key is scum

Good job us, we've killed a scum

OK scared scum.

[Bingle]

Honestly, I'm kinda fine with any of the current wagons and just think we need a flip.

[Doctor Drew]

Honestly, I'm kinda fine with any of the current wagons and just think we need a flip.

Calm down, we have over 5 days until deadline. Let me share the 25 year Glenlivet I had tonight with you so you can chill.

Also, I so strongly believe this is so obv town Ele, or the most blatant open wolfing I have ever seen.

Either way I am here for it and can't see myself voting for them today.

[Alianna]

OutWorldER has requested replacement.

[Eiralox]

Honestly, I'm kinda fine with any of the current wagons and just think we need a flip.

Calm down, we have over 5 days until deadline. Let me share the 25 year Glenlivet I had tonight with you so you can chill.

Also, I so strongly believe this is so obv town Ele, or the most blatant open wolfing I have ever seen.

Either way I am here for it and can't see myself voting for them today.

This post is horrible

[Eiralox]

Honestly, I'm kinda fine with any of the current wagons and just think we need a flip.

Calm down, we have over 5 days until deadline. Let me share the 25 year Glenlivet I had tonight with you so you can chill.

Also, I so strongly believe this is so obv town Ele, or the most blatant open wolfing I have ever seen.

Either way I am here for it and can't see myself voting for them today.

It sounds like scum attempting ingratiation. Drew isn't open minded on wagons here, and actively avoiding me.

[Eiralox]

Honestly, I'm kinda fine with any of the current wagons and just think we need a flip.

I suggest you get Naerys to claim then. She might have already softed mailman anyway.

[Eiralox]

Well done! Glad to see your thoughts. Your effort is appreciated

This is likely a scum statement

[Eiralox]

Where did AI come into this issue? I am talking about a TRACKABLE player. Someone whose reads are clear and understandable, so when things go south, its easier to see if they are scum. So read my post from that perspective because that IS what I am on about.

And... that's an ass argument. Like, on the same level of "We should eliminate Key because Key is making it hard to understand the thread." For the exact same reasons. You're supporting a policy elim on the player supporting a policy elim on you FOR THE SAME POLICY REASONS.

Like celebloki suggested maybe stop feeding the troll

[Eiralox]

If Bingle stays in his cage, I think we'll be OK for tonight but if not

Smart town would have killed this with fire long ago. That's basically the main thing making me feel good about Chell, the fact that he predecessor wanted this person out

[Eiralox]

TOWN

Bingle
Elements
OutWorldER
Khaos
Chell?

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Naerys+KeyLaga scum = Khaos spewed Town. Elements spewed Town. Eiralox spewed Town. Chell speed Town? Bingle spewed Town by Key.

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Easy game.

[Eiralox]

actually not sure y khaos so high i think the way people reacted to 'em previous page was wonky anyway
if they town scum clearly already see them an asset

[Eiralox]

IF WE KILL NAERYS, KEYLAGA OR MAYBE MAYBE DREW TOWN WILL HAVE A GLORIOUS DAY

[Eiralox]

The gamma x naerys x key patterns all there of course

i'm never again towreading key because even if they town they're the most valuable asset scum has here
khaos might actually be scum but for possibly being spewed town not voting today
said i'm not voting gamma today

drew has been active but i'm getting 0 indication he's really sorting

[Eiralox]

Kitty popping in now and again and KeyLaga saying 'KITTYTACKY MECH CLEARED DURR' also doesn't really sit right with me

Elements and I are obvious town the fact that my wagon hasnt defused yet has made me 100% sure there's scum on it. Get them.

[Eiralox]

If Kitty is town I guess Scum Laga spewed us another one

[Eiralox]

btw the best case for naerys scum is that naerys is defending keylaga

only scum would even think there's a reason to say 'oh noooo policy bad just cos laga has plenty posts doesnt make him bad'
if both scum, obvious reason
if naerys scum laga town, as i said, Town Laga is the best asset scum has

while Scum Laga is the worst asset scum has XD