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Post Post #1975 (ISO) » Mon Nov 13, 2023 2:46 am

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1.36
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Eiralox (E-1): Doctor Drew, Chell, KittyTacky, Organized Khaos, Gamma Emerald, Bingle
Titus (1): Eiralox
Naerys (1): Elements
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Bingle (1): Sleepy Dragon

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, camelCasedSnivy, Naerys

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to secure an execution.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2023-11-16 10:02:20).
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Post Post #1976 (ISO) » Mon Nov 13, 2023 3:11 am

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In post 1969, Bingle wrote: Dragon, your takes come across as extremely bad faith and I’m having a hard time reconciling that with my read of your slot.

You think I’m scum for thinking Naerys is scum for objectively scummy things because you have meta. This is my first game with Naerys.

You think I’m scum for putting someone at e-1 with clear notification despite the fact that I’ve been openly accepting of the lim for at least 20 pages now.

You think I’m scum for being willing to lim a null read in my PoE despite also being the only person who has shown clear reasoning on the majority of the players since you’ve repped in.

And you’ve got a strong fixation with E-1 being a quick hammer despite there being very little threat of that happening fmpov.

The question here is: Why?
I don't think "bad faith" is the correct way to characterize it, but I agree I've been reaching.

On Naerys, fair. I guess you don't have her meta.

On everything else: I think Eira is frankly limbait, and I think you know that from having played with them before. While I don't town read their play/tone this game, I do have a game state read which tells me they are town, simply because I can't really think of anyone who would be an Eira partner. There's like, no resistance to voting them. No counter wagons. Unless you think my vote on you is a counter wagon, which is laughable because no way I'm heaven scum!me would go for such a bad CW rather than say, consolidating on Naerys.
but yeah. If you can tell me please who Eira's partners are voting (not who they are), I might believe Eira has partners.
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Post Post #1977 (ISO) » Mon Nov 13, 2023 3:13 am

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VOTE: Bingle
I agree with everything Elements is posting - Papa Zito
It's scummy as fak tho - Gamma Emerald
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Post Post #1978 (ISO) » Mon Nov 13, 2023 3:15 am

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Oh and regarding the E-1, the amount of times I've seen a townie at E-1 and then a random townie comes along and says "well I'm ready to end the day" and *hammers*, is a lot.
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Post Post #1979 (ISO) » Mon Nov 13, 2023 3:16 am

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Hi Elements! For a second I thought you hammered, lol.
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Post Post #1980 (ISO) » Mon Nov 13, 2023 3:30 am

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Nah, I don't want to hammer Eira
I agree with everything Elements is posting - Papa Zito
It's scummy as fak tho - Gamma Emerald
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Post Post #1981 (ISO) » Mon Nov 13, 2023 4:03 am

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In post 1972, KittyTacky wrote: Naerys outing complex for no reason was just... why. Why not keep it as a mailman claim.
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Post Post #1982 (ISO) » Mon Nov 13, 2023 5:19 am

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In post 1980, Elements wrote: Nah, I don't want to hammer Eira
I know.

What moved you to vote Bingle?
In post 1981, Naerys wrote:
In post 1972, KittyTacky wrote: Naerys outing complex for no reason was just... why. Why not keep it as a mailman claim.
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What do you think of recent developments?
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Post Post #1983 (ISO) » Mon Nov 13, 2023 5:21 am

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I wish FL hadn't repped out :(

He would be so fun to play with here
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Post Post #1984 (ISO) » Mon Nov 13, 2023 6:27 am

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In post 1982, Sleepy Dragon wrote:
In post 1980, Elements wrote: Nah, I don't want to hammer Eira
I know.

What moved you to vote Bingle?
Naerys wagon died so I'm just kinda sheeping you to Bingle
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Post Post #1985 (ISO) » Mon Nov 13, 2023 7:07 am

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Fair

@Mod, could you please prod Eira?
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Post Post #1986 (ISO) » Mon Nov 13, 2023 7:19 am

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In post 1985, Sleepy Dragon wrote: Fair

@Mod, could you please prod Eira?
Eiralox is not currently in prod range.
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Post Post #1987 (ISO) » Mon Nov 13, 2023 7:22 am

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Oh you don't do early prods at player request? bummer
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Post Post #1988 (ISO) » Mon Nov 13, 2023 7:23 am

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I think it's perfectly alright to prod Eiralox considering everyone is kinda waiting on them.
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Post Post #1989 (ISO) » Mon Nov 13, 2023 7:53 am

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Okay I'll be blatant:

Been rereading some stuff, noticed some interesting things.

I have a dramatic change in reads right now.

Not gonna disclose it because I want to see something first.

Gamma very towny though.
In post 1368, Eiralox wrote:
TOWN


Bingle
Elements
OutWorldER
Khaos
Chell?

---

Naerys+KeyLaga scum = Khaos spewed Town. Elements spewed Town. Eiralox spewed Town. Chell speed Town? Bingle spewed Town by Key.

---

Easy game.
Lol, Eira basically claims to have solved the entire game as KL/Naerys/Drew. Intriguing.

Eira, is that still your solve, and if so how confident are you about it? As confident as you were about Bingle/Itinerants/ZZZX?
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Post Post #1990 (ISO) » Mon Nov 13, 2023 8:01 am

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In post 1380, Eiralox wrote: I think i also mentioned elements x laga theatre at some point but after elements' recent input and feeling of genuine frustration

lagaxnaerys
elementsxnaerys

far likelier.

scum teams consisting of a mix of naerys, gamma, drew, khaos, key, with chell and outworlder as distancing outliers, and kitty as feeling town but capable of having an agenda, with someone like key for instance, are where my main pre-flip associative are cycling right now.


I'm willing to hammer Elements I guess but it's a dumb wagon and I sincerely hope town rethink their positions here.
The flip with the most utility we have is KeyLaga, it's the kind of flip that wins town the game.
In my eyes it's the optimal play here.

But I'm okay with hitting scum on Naerys. She really hasn't tried to appear otherwise.
@Gamma is this the post by Eiralox that changed your mind from this:
In post 1281, Gamma Emerald wrote: Chell most likely though I probably vote her before Eiralox
to voting Eira?
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Post Post #1991 (ISO) » Mon Nov 13, 2023 8:03 am

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In post 1379, Eiralox wrote: btw I can see Elements being scum with Naerys based purely on their voting patterns
but 10 times out 10 I'm voting KeyLaga before I vote Elements
This post probably pinged me more than the one you quoted
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Post Post #1992 (ISO) » Mon Nov 13, 2023 8:04 am

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What about it pinged you?
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Post Post #1993 (ISO) » Mon Nov 13, 2023 8:06 am

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I think Elements + Eiralox interactions are rather concerning and I think Eiralox just going along with it ain’t great. I think in that scenario I’d be concerned about buddying.
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Post Post #1994 (ISO) » Mon Nov 13, 2023 9:13 am

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You don't think they are partners?
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Post Post #1995 (ISO) » Mon Nov 13, 2023 9:29 am

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they could be but with the flagrant buddying I think it's more likely only one is scum (this is a conclusion I settled on rather recently ftr)
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Post Post #1996 (ISO) » Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:48 am

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Gamma you need to make more posts so we can steal the pagetop before the mod comes.
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Post Post #1997 (ISO) » Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:50 am

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I’m here, what’s up?
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Post Post #1998 (ISO) » Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:52 am

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IDK, do you have any idea how we actually solve this game

Because being real for a second, I don't know what to do after Eira flips regardless of Eira's alignment, and same for Bingle if they somehow end up flipping.
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Post Post #1999 (ISO) » Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:56 am

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Just feels like a dead game state
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