Mini Normal 2316 | Halloween | Endgame

[usesPython]

I think the protectives being balanced around giving town an extra lim by comboing the Vig shot with a stopped kill through BP/Doc/JK makes a decent amount of sense and BG is the odd one out in that case

-Nameless

[usesPython]

Why are there two protectives on a BP what is wrong with people

-Nameless

Actually Occam's razor probably applies here and what makes more sense was we got shot N1 and N2 and the Jailkeeper stopped the kill tonight

-Nameless

[usesPython]

VOTE: BlackStar

[AnimatedWiz]

I… hm… I do find it quite convenient that the Bodyguard did target two people who were already protected from danger by the Jailkeeper (who claimed before he did).

However, I feel like if BlackStar would tell a lie, it would be something a bit less miraculous as to be less suspicious, right? It’s weird, but I feel it’s honest for that’s reason.

[usesPython]

I… hm… I do find it quite convenient that the Bodyguard did target two people who were already protected from danger by the Jailkeeper (who claimed before he did).

However, I feel like if BlackStar would tell a lie, it would be something a bit less miraculous as to be less suspicious, right? It’s weird, but I feel it’s honest for that’s reason.

Why would a Bodyguard be on a 1-Shot BP?

-Nameless

[OutWorldER]

VOTE: BlackStar

I'm still somewhat sus of the JOAT claim but honestly with Black's results it can only be one of three people I think (If I'm interpreting claims correctly) and I think Python's reasoning makes sense here.

I… hm… I do find it quite convenient that the Bodyguard did target two people who were already protected from danger by the Jailkeeper (who claimed before he did).

However, I feel like if BlackStar would tell a lie, it would be something a bit less miraculous as to be less suspicious, right? It’s weird, but I feel it’s honest for that’s reason.

BlackStar had to claim with a Watcher who had not claimed results yet and so making a miracle alibi is his only choice there if he's scum, otherwise he risks getting immediately caught out on a lie if Black had watched his target (and she did).

[usesPython]

I… hm… I do find it quite convenient that the Bodyguard did target two people who were already protected from danger by the Jailkeeper (who claimed before he did).

Also different N1 targets, HoldSteady got JK'd, Shea got BG'd

-Nameless

[Roden]

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... ple_Normal

[usesPython]

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... ple_Normal

Wrong page, you want the old Normal Rules if we're working under the assumption that the JK isn't an autolim for claiming Lazy. For that the guidelines for what's a simple is:

• Moderators may declare a complexity rating of either Simple or Complex for their Normal Game when the game goes into signups.
  • Complexity is defined by the following collection of characteristics. The more of them that a game has, the more likely it should be labeled complex rather than simple. The reverse is true as well: the fewer of these are applicable, the more likely the setup ought to be labeled as simple rather than complex.
    • Having several roles with modifiers, especially modifiers that affect targeting (e.g. simple, loyal) or fundamentally affect the way one would play the role (e.g. announcing, weak)
      
    • Having some roles with several modifiers
      
    • Having a large proportion of non-vanilla roles in general
      
    • Having anything that could be construed as a red herring (e.g., two of the same town role, a backup or enabler without a main role, a neighborhood with only mafia, a miller without a cop, etc.)
      
    • Having complicated interactions between roles (e.g. multiple blocking roles that may affect each other, generally anything that might make a reviewer need to think twice about how it would work)
      
    • Having many roles that aren't seen as frequently in normal games
      
    • Anything else that would potentially defy the expectations of a player who's played normal games before
  • Reviewers may choose to suggest or request a complexity rating, but complexity ratings are never mandatory.
    
  • If a moderator wants to use a complexity label, a reviewer needs to approve it.

[Roden]

Oh, I was thinking because Ninja isn't Simple and couldn't be in the set up, then we can pretty much guarantee the killer had to be Blackstar

Idk now though

[AnimatedWiz]

I, uh, think I might have gotten confused what made a game simple in the old system—I realize now what y’all mean.

For example, in my first game the most complicated role was a Werewolf Neighbor Disloyal Combined Mailman Rolestopper… and in this one, it seems it might just be a Macho 2-Shot Watcher—definitely less complex.

[AnimatedWiz]

Also, um, I think I’m having a bit of a flare-up, so I’m going to go V/LA for the next 72 hours to recuperate. I’ll still be here every once in a while, but not as regularly active as before—don’t want to overtax myself and make it any worse.

[OutWorldER]

Oh, I was thinking because Ninja isn't Simple and couldn't be in the set up, then we can pretty much guarantee the killer had to be Blackstar

Idk now though

I mean, setup spec wise there is no possible way that a Ninja could be here I think unless it was heavily gated. That would invalidate all 3 of our limited investigative shots that were already at risk of being invalidated by the Jailkeeper in the first place.

If THS's claim is real then scum at least have a Roleblocker (since THS said he couldn't get a result on me) and I don't think scum would have Ninja + RB.

[usesPython]

Oh, I was thinking because Ninja isn't Simple and couldn't be in the set up, then we can pretty much guarantee the killer had to be Blackstar

Idk now though

Scum aren't gonna be given a Ninja to counter just a 2-shot Watcher and a 1-shot Tracker, especially since there's an unclaimed no result from THS night 2

-Nameless

[Enchant]

This game follows old rules.

Lazy is possible modifier.

[usesPython]

This game follows old rules.

Lazy is possible modifier.

Have you claimed yet?

-Nameless

[Enchant]

No.

[usesPython]

No.

Can you?

-Nameless

[Enchant]

Is there any reason for me to claim expect "we can't hold fact we are PRs for longer than 10 seconds, so we force it on everyone else too"

[usesPython]

Massclaim already happened, might as well finish it so we can mech solve

-Nameless

[Enchant]

Black - Macho 2-shot Watcher
N1: Annie. No one.
N2: Python. Smiley, BlackStar.

Smiley - Lazy JK
N1: THS.
N2: Python

Naerys - VT
Annie - VT
Enchant - ???
Roden - VT
THS - JOAT (Vig/Tracker/Doc)
N1: Vig (Thestatusquo). Fail.
N2: Track (OWER). No result.
OWER - VT
BlackStar - BG
N1: Thestatusquo
N2: usesPython

Thestatusquo - VT
Python - 1-shot BP

[Thestatusquo]

The night one results on me don't make any damn sense.

[Thestatusquo]

I don't think black ever plays today like she did as scum fwiw.

[Thestatusquo]

So enchant either is scum or needs to pull his head from betwixt his cheeks.

[usesPython]

The night one results on me don't make any damn sense.

How? THS tried to shoot you but failed because the Jailkeeper roleblocked the vig action