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Post Post #1700 (ISO) » Wed Nov 15, 2023 1:01 am

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Like roleblocking Black guarantees everyone knows roughly what the maf PR is (since No Result), if they need Black alive for dayplay reasons then surviving a single watcher check turns her into basically vanilla
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Post Post #1701 (ISO) » Wed Nov 15, 2023 1:10 am

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Actually OWER being an unclaimed Ascetic makes more sense than a roleblocker tbh
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Post Post #1702 (ISO) » Wed Nov 15, 2023 1:15 am

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I’m town. I don’t really know anything about setups or roles so trying to figure out the game through that is hard for me
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Post Post #1703 (ISO) » Wed Nov 15, 2023 1:24 am

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In post 1701, usesPython wrote: Actually OWER being an unclaimed Ascetic makes more sense than a roleblocker tbh
Maf Aliening OWER to force a no result on a slot that's probably getting checked isn't that crazy either
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Post Post #1704 (ISO) » Wed Nov 15, 2023 2:17 am

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SmileyDude1 is basically clear to me
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Post Post #1705 (ISO) » Wed Nov 15, 2023 2:27 am

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I didn't use my doctor save either night yet two nights in a row the scum were unable to kill anyone.

Jailkeeper is the only claim here that could've realistically resulted in two deathless nights. So I'm going to choose to believe it.
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Post Post #1706 (ISO) » Wed Nov 15, 2023 3:35 am

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BlackStar, if I could ask, why did your read on Smiley change between and ? You never mentioned wanting to vote for Smiley during the beginning of D2, even when you responded to Enchant voting for him in .
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Post Post #1707 (ISO) » Wed Nov 15, 2023 3:36 am

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Also, BlackStar is at E-3 currently.
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Post Post #1708 (ISO) » Wed Nov 15, 2023 3:42 am

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VOTE: UsesPython
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Post Post #1709 (ISO) » Wed Nov 15, 2023 3:50 am

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One thing I don't get about the setup is why Black is Macho. Even in the case where every single protective is real (JOAT doc, Lazy JK, BG) there's still no point in making the Watcher Macho when the only TP chain that can happen is one night of JOAT Doc/Watcher. JK roleblocks the Watcher so no chain there and BG taking a bullet doesn't get seen by Watcher chaining since both maf and BG visit the watcher

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Post Post #1710 (ISO) » Wed Nov 15, 2023 4:05 am

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In post 1706, AnimatedWiz wrote: BlackStar, if I could ask, why did your read on Smiley change between and ? You never mentioned wanting to vote for Smiley during the beginning of D2, even when you responded to Enchant voting for him in .
I just looked at the votes at the end of D1 and tried to decide who seemed the most like scum. I looked at the people off the wagon first because I figured at least one of the scum would've been off of it and since there were fewer people off the wagon, it might be easier to narrow down who was suspicious.

I was town reading THS and Roden, so that left you and Hu Tao. Hu Tao seemed pretty much the same to me as the last game we played together where she was town, but she wasn't posting that much so I felt a little bit wary of her. That just left you and I didn't see much from your iso that would make me want to trust you. I didn't want to start tunneling you and being a jerk though, so I kept looking at everyone else.

Then I looked at the people who actually were on the wagon. I was town reading Thestatusquo, Black and usesPython so that left OWER, Smiley, Naerys and Enchant. I had a town read on OWER earlier in D1 but was starting to have more doubts about him. Naerys and Enchant were really hard for me to figure out and I had no idea how to get a better handle on them.

Smiley was the only person who I didn't really have any strong thoughts about at that point. It was hard to remember any specific things that he'd said or done and it felt like he just slipped his vote in there and faded into the background. So that's why I considered voting for him and pressuring him
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Post Post #1711 (ISO) » Wed Nov 15, 2023 4:14 am

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Does anyone else think its weird scum would try to target a one-shot bulletproof after their first kill failed? I would've either killed watcher or tried to kill the person I thought was the protective role. Also, I think Python was leading us on yesterday when it came to limming Hu Tao. I think that Python led the scum kill last night but got caught by jailkeeper.
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Post Post #1712 (ISO) » Wed Nov 15, 2023 4:18 am

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In post 1711, TheHoldSteady wrote: Does anyone else think its weird scum would try to target a one-shot bulletproof after their first kill failed? I would've either killed watcher or tried to kill the person I thought was the protective role. Also, I think Python was leading us on yesterday when it came to limming Hu Tao. I think that Python led the scum kill last night but got caught by jailkeeper.
Why is it weird for scum to shoot us again if they felt it necessary to shoot us n1. If anything we were in a better position at the end of d2 than we were at the end of d1
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Post Post #1713 (ISO) » Wed Nov 15, 2023 4:21 am

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I don't think scum expected Watcher/JK to be on us since we claimed 1-shot BP
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Post Post #1714 (ISO) » Wed Nov 15, 2023 4:23 am

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ngl i briefly considered using my doc save on you but my role states i can only use one action and i didn't trust you as much after hu tao flipped town.
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Post Post #1715 (ISO) » Wed Nov 15, 2023 4:24 am

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In post 1711, TheHoldSteady wrote: Also, I think Python was leading us on yesterday when it came to limming Hu Tao.
Hu Tao literally fakeclaimed Doctor after a no kill and then retracted, you even literally hammered them
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Post Post #1716 (ISO) » Wed Nov 15, 2023 4:25 am

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In post 1714, TheHoldSteady wrote: ngl i briefly considered using my doc save on you but my role states i can only use one action and i didn't trust you as much after hu tao flipped town.
Literally why is everyone on a BP
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Post Post #1717 (ISO) » Wed Nov 15, 2023 4:27 am

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question: does bulletproof on this website get notified when they get hit or no?
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Post Post #1718 (ISO) » Wed Nov 15, 2023 4:27 am

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In post 1717, TheHoldSteady wrote: question: does bulletproof on this website get notified when they get hit or no?
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Post Post #1719 (ISO) » Wed Nov 15, 2023 4:29 am

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In post 1715, usesPython wrote:
In post 1711, TheHoldSteady wrote: Also, I think Python was leading us on yesterday when it came to limming Hu Tao.
Hu Tao literally fakeclaimed Doctor after a no kill and then retracted, you even literally hammered them
i just don't think it was that damning. black had a very good argument why the fakeclaim wasn't scum and it basically went ignored. i hammered but only because his defense sounded fake. you were pressuring me to vote even before a defense was made which i find scummy.
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Post Post #1720 (ISO) » Wed Nov 15, 2023 4:30 am

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In post 1716, usesPython wrote:
In post 1714, TheHoldSteady wrote: ngl i briefly considered using my doc save on you but my role states i can only use one action and i didn't trust you as much after hu tao flipped town.
Literally why is everyone on a BP
Nobody died N1, so I thought you'd already been shot
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Post Post #1721 (ISO) » Wed Nov 15, 2023 4:32 am

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Also, why is Black still alive?
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Post Post #1722 (ISO) » Wed Nov 15, 2023 4:34 am

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In post 1719, TheHoldSteady wrote:
In post 1715, usesPython wrote:
In post 1711, TheHoldSteady wrote: Also, I think Python was leading us on yesterday when it came to limming Hu Tao.
Hu Tao literally fakeclaimed Doctor after a no kill and then retracted, you even literally hammered them
i just don't think it was that damning. black had a very good argument why the fakeclaim wasn't scum and it basically went ignored. i hammered but only because his defense sounded fake. you were pressuring me to vote even before a defense was made which i find scummy.
I don't think Blacks case was that convincing tbh considering it was just "I don't get why scum!Hu Tao would do it". We thought scum!Hu Tao was forcing a cc and then backing off, and Black claiming Macho which would normally imply a Doctor in the setup didn't make it any better
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Post Post #1723 (ISO) » Wed Nov 15, 2023 4:35 am

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In post 1721, TheHoldSteady wrote: Also, why is Black still alive?
Cause now she's vanilla? If scum think they can dodge a single Watch then there's no point in killing her for her claim
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Post Post #1724 (ISO) » Wed Nov 15, 2023 4:48 am

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In post 1719, TheHoldSteady wrote: you were pressuring me to vote even before a defense was made which i find scummy.
We were scumreading you and did some premature preflip, I don't think we were pressuring you to vote Hu Tao though?
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