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[Titus]

You’re better than this Titus.
I think calling me and Elements teamed is incredibly sloppy.

No. It's not. You both were willing to vote each other and now you're both sheeping each other like crazy. You've been nothing but hostile. Elements is Lamisting and doing IIoA.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Chell
KILL THIS. She mis-nuked me in DEFCON and has failed to offer a valid reason to vote me than “trust me”. Anyone believing she’s town over me or following her onto me is playing poorly.

This is straight up flailing at slots defending me.

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You were in this game. You cannot tell me you don’t understand EXACTLY where I’m coming from with this reaction.

[Titus]

I am Informed of something that a Mass claim could catch a scum.

I’m sure that setup is balanced around it, but still

But like it doesn’t work if i claim it

Thanks. Meh half sus of this ngl.

[Gamma Emerald]

You’re better than this Titus.
I think calling me and Elements teamed is incredibly sloppy.

No. It's not. You both were willing to vote each other and now you're both sheeping each other like crazy. You've been nothing but hostile. Elements is Lamisting and doing IIoA.

Where the fuck have I sheeped Elements?

[Titus]

You’re better than this Titus.
I think calling me and Elements teamed is incredibly sloppy.

No. It's not. You both were willing to vote each other and now you're both sheeping each other like crazy. You've been nothing but hostile. Elements is Lamisting and doing IIoA.

Where the fuck have I sheeped Elements?

Almost all your votes since I have come in one of you votes right after the other.

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah you’re being fucking lazy because I think with minimal exceptions it has been Elements voting after me.

[Gamma Emerald]

The callouts will continue until gameplay improves.

[Titus]

Yeah you’re being fucking lazy because I think with minimal exceptions it has been Elements voting after me.

And you aren't sus of that? He's fine voting you but suddenly jumping everywhere with you, yet I am lazy?

[Sleepy Dragon]

i am never letting titus get limmed and i don't think anyone should ever be able to drive a miselim on that slot with keylaga's iso

And yet you call Titus an easy target

Idk Chell, look at this game from my perspective. I see a bunch of towny people, and for the entirety of Day 1 everyone is bent on wagoning only people from my "don't vote Day 1" pool. Who do you think I should be leading a wagon on?

Pedit: do u consider yourself an expert on Gamma / are you confident enough in your read to do a BOP shot, theoretically speaking?

bc honestly I do feel I have quite a bit of meta on her and to me this reads town.

maybe i should accept that we probably won't see eye to eye very often in this game because my play style revolves around catching and killing scum so to some extent we seem diametrically opposed

i accept that you have meta with gamma and while i have a high read accuracy i accept that certain players have a much higher read accuracy on specific other players they are familiar with. however, in this case, i have vast amount of data on gamma and a pretty decent read accuracy, to the extent that i trust my read more than i trust yours. i wont claim it's strictly better or get into some toxic contest with u about it but for those reasons and the way you are describing your read on gamma it doesn't really do anything to sway me

by BOP do u mean would i accept being limmed the next day if im wrong on gamma? i mean no. i could tell u yes but obviously if i was wrong i would not allow myself to by limmed so this doesn't feel like a path we need to go down.

but if ur town i understand wanting to build a town block and being frustrated when ppl dont want to work together. ill try to step outside of my own play here and extend an olive branch even if i dont quite know how.

i guess ill start with why don't u town read keylaga? im kind of incredulous that anyone thinks that slot is scum

I appreciate the reach out

If you believe you have more data on Gamma than I have, I will believe you.

I didn't intend you to be limmed if she flips town, I wanted to ask theoretically to understand how confident you are.

I don't TR KeyLaga because to me amount of content is not the most AI thing. I tend to read people based on several criteria (of course there are sometimes exceptions), which I would rank roughly in the order of importance as:
1. how much their thought process makes sense to me as a real thought process (regardless of whether or not I agree with it, though obviously some bias exists toward things I agree with)
2. meta
3. whether their actions have a probable town motivation, and whether their actions have a probable scum motivation
4. tone
5. everything else (slips, associations, game state reads, etc.)

I don't have meta on KL. Their thought process makes absolute zero sense to me. While I can see a town motivation behind their hyper posting, I could also see a probable scum motivation behind it (forcing a miselim simply by brute suffocating the thread and preventing any other wagon from being viable). I

guess

their tone is towny, but I don't feel this outweighs the other things.

[Sleepy Dragon]

i guess i could also use more explanation on bingle because im not hard town reading that slot but i would need a compelling reason to want to kill him d1

My reason is: Their tone is good and they look towny, but there are a lot of people who feel like LHF and I think Bingle as a lim gives us a lot of info while LHF lims give us no info.

[Elements]

IIoA?

[Sleepy Dragon]

VOTE: Chell
KILL THIS. She mis-nuked me in DEFCON and has failed to offer a valid reason to vote me than “trust me”. Anyone believing she’s town over me or following her onto me is playing poorly.

If she mis-nuked you when she was town, doesn't it follow she will be mis-pushing you when she's town?

[Sleepy Dragon]

IIoA?

Me?

[Elements]

IIoA?

Me?

what does it mean

[Titus]

IIoA?

Me?

what does it mean

Information over Analysis

[Sleepy Dragon]

anyone fancy voting drew with me?

I would say yes but honestly I don't think doing so will earn me anything other than distrust from the people I'm trying to work with, so nah.

Can we stop bickering like children

PLEASE

VOTE: Chell
i can do this

Can you provide me with 2-3 slots other than Celebloki you CAN'T do?

the real tragedy is that this feels like we've just hit page 40, content wise.

Maybe the real tragedy is the friends we made along the way.

I don't know, I'm feeling like we're not dealing with the very town and good camelCasedSnivy(cCS), but actually the dastardly and evil mafia Cascading Style Sheets(CSS).

I don't know if I'm behind a Gamma wagon, but I will admit I have only ever played with a town Gamma, and I might be inadvertently pocketed by her because of that. I don't see myself providing a IC Hammer to her wagon, so someone else will have to do it. If she does flip red color me surprised.

I do think Titus(KL) is probably town. I read Bingle as town. I'm leaning town on Dragon. I think Eira's worth keeping around for at least D2. Similarly I kinda want to keep Elements and KT around to see how their D1 informed claims or joke claims pan out.

I guess my preferred lim pool for D1 is somewhere in CSS, Khaos, Drew, Naerys, or Chell. Maybe in that order.

Can we just sheep the IC and vote out any of the first 3 here? Please? Pretty pretty please?

Just so it's clear, my "hard-town list" is basically
myself
Celebloki
Naerys
Gamma
Elements

the worst

*sigh* One of us is a townbeard. That list is too bad to be scum.

What's a townbeard?
And I agree, there's no way I'm scum with how bad my reads are

[Titus]

Meh. Fuck it.

VOTE: Elements

[Titus]

@SD

A townbeard is a town that has reads so bad, they might as well be scum.

I'd compromise on Chaos if I had to.

[Sleepy Dragon]

Like based on voting patterns, I am greater than 80 percent they are teamed.

Who?

Like based on voting patterns, I am greater than 80 percent they are teamed.

You need to reasses your pattern recognition

I agree

Gamma and Elements. Why are you saying I need to reassess my pattern recognition when you had no clue who I was talking about?

I thought it was either Elly/Gamma or myself/Elly and wanted to verify which. Either way I thought there's no way the pairing was right.

[Titus]

Like based on voting patterns, I am greater than 80 percent they are teamed.

Who?

Like based on voting patterns, I am greater than 80 percent they are teamed.

You need to reasses your pattern recognition

I agree

Gamma and Elements. Why are you saying I need to reassess my pattern recognition when you had no clue who I was talking about?

I thought it was either Elly/Gamma or myself/Elly and wanted to verify which. Either way I thought there's no way the pairing was right.

Seems pretty clear that you're townreading Elements here and I can't see why. Gamma might be pissed off town with a chip on her shoulder with Elements riling her up.

[Sleepy Dragon]

Seems pretty clear that you're townreading Elements here and I can't see why. Gamma might be pissed off town with a chip on her shoulder with Elements riling her up.

This is why I'm townreading Elements:

pedit: elements, do you have a preference of who to vote / who not to vote, or are you just going to sheep everyone?

I have no clue

what do u mean

Whenever I get to the end of a day 1 I always feel that whichever wagon is leading will flip town
So all my reads go kersplat

I also quite enjoy being a bit of a chaos gremlin

Yeah it's shitty reasoning but I read it as quite genuine and I think it's town.

[Elements]

VOTE: Chell
i can do this

Can you provide me with 2-3 slots other than Celebloki you CAN'T do?

you, me, eira

[Sleepy Dragon]

I'd compromise on Chaos if I had to.

Can we please?

I'm actually TRing Titus now btw

I don't think she'd play the townbeard card as scum.

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