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[usesPython]

Like if you didn't claim Macho D2 you'd probably have an argument that Jailkeeper should be considered but when there's already an implied Doctor and with Watcher pulling double duty as a protective role worrying about Jailkeeper doesn't seem like something we'd do here

[usesPython]

Black can be left alone until massclaim I think since Macho implies the existence of like Doctor or Jailkeeper (Probably not Jailkeeper since you wouldn't need to make the Watcher Macho to make the setup work in that case) or something

[AnimatedWiz]

I’m more partial to eliminating BlackStar before UsesPython—I understand the suspicion of their spot, but his claim and the way he’s responded to the pressure is far more scummy to me. I think you might be getting distracted by a new scumread and forgetting your stronger one, Black.

[Black]

Python this is the exact same thing you did in Fire & Ice. You're really good at trying to convince people you're not scum by saying you wouldn't do things if you were scum in those positions

[Black]

I’m more partial to eliminating BlackStar before UsesPython—I understand the suspicion of their spot, but his claim and the way he’s responded to the pressure is far more scummy to me. I think you might be getting distracted by a new scumread and forgetting your stronger one, Black.

I scumread python more than BlackStar at the end of D2. It was the night results that made me think either Smiley/BS were scum, and then that changed the more I think about it

I'm still not sure which of the two it is but I'd rather fade python first

[Roden]

Unless Black has a guilty result, I don't have a problem getting voted out today. The PoE is too small for scum to win at this point.

What was the point of posting this? You weren't even being considered for the chopping block

Because the game is kind of just over now. A Blackstar red flip puts us too far ahead for scum to win. There isn't really a point in trying to argue who should go out first.

[usesPython]

Python this is the exact same thing you did in Fire & Ice. You're really good at trying to convince people you're not scum by saying you wouldn't do things if you were scum in those positions

There's a difference between "If we were scum we'd be sheeping instead of starting a new wagon" in FaI and "If we were scum we'd have to deliberately make suboptimal night actions and then also not get stopped by the rest of the scumteam" that you're implying here

[BlackStar]

I’m more partial to eliminating BlackStar before UsesPython—I understand the suspicion of their spot,

but his claim and the way he’s responded to the pressure is far more scummy to me.

I think you might be getting distracted by a new scumread and forgetting your stronger one, Black.

Elaborate

[BlackStar]

Unless Black has a guilty result, I don't have a problem getting voted out today. The PoE is too small for scum to win at this point.

What was the point of posting this? You weren't even being considered for the chopping block

Because the game is kind of just over now. A Blackstar red flip puts us too far ahead for scum to win. There isn't really a point in trying to argue who should go out first.

It looks like you posted that before I claimed though

[Black]

Unless Black has a guilty result, I don't have a problem getting voted out today. The PoE is too small for scum to win at this point.

What was the point of posting this? You weren't even being considered for the chopping block

Because the game is kind of just over now. A Blackstar red flip puts us too far ahead for scum to win. There isn't really a point in trying to argue who should go out first.

That's not why you posted that

[Black]

Python this is the exact same thing you did in Fire & Ice. You're really good at trying to convince people you're not scum by saying you wouldn't do things if you were scum in those positions

There's a difference between "If we were scum we'd be sheeping instead of starting a new wagon" in FaI and "If we were scum we'd have to deliberately make suboptimal night actions and then also not get stopped by the rest of the scumteam" that you're implying here

Can you explain why the night actions would be suboptimal in a world where OWER is a Mafia Ascetic or Commuter?

[Roden]

Sorry, I didn't realize you had mind-reading powers

[Roden]

Like what are y'all even doing right now

[usesPython]

Python this is the exact same thing you did in Fire & Ice. You're really good at trying to convince people you're not scum by saying you wouldn't do things if you were scum in those positions

There's a difference between "If we were scum we'd be sheeping instead of starting a new wagon" in FaI and "If we were scum we'd have to deliberately make suboptimal night actions and then also not get stopped by the rest of the scumteam" that you're implying here

Can you explain why the night actions would be suboptimal in a world where OWER is a Mafia Ascetic or Commuter?

Commuter doesn't make sense in the setup and if OWER is Ascetic then that's even more reason to have then do the kill

[AnimatedWiz]

I’m more partial to eliminating BlackStar before UsesPython—I understand the suspicion of their spot,

but his claim and the way he’s responded to the pressure is far more scummy to me.

I think you might be getting distracted by a new scumread and forgetting your stronger one, Black.

Elaborate

I explained some in 1760, but I’ll share more.

In 1734, when asked to share a readslist you gave one from the end of D2, and said you’d catch up and give a new one. Soon after, you say that you’re not really able to use the mech talk and how people respond to it to formulate reads, essentially absolving yourself of having to give a new readslist.

You’ve also been a bit quieter than in our last game, as Black mentioned in 1731—as if you’re trying to squeak by as our attention gets pulled elsewhere. I feel like Python’s far more active and trying to solve—both defending themselves and giving their alternate ideas. Out of the two most likely possibilities for the lack of nightkill (Python was jailed while attempting to NK, or you attempted to NK a jailed Python), it feels far likelier that you’re the scum.

[AnimatedWiz]

Commuter doesn't make sense in the setup and if OWER is Ascetic then that's even more reason to have then do the kill

This is a good point—I think that if there was a Mafia Ascetic, they would be chosen to kill due to you claiming Watcher, Black.

[usesPython]

Commuter doesn't make sense in the setup and if OWER is Ascetic then that's even more reason to have then do the kill

To be specific, Mafia Commuter is extremely rare (as in the last two Normal games to have one were from 2020 and 2018) and also does nothing to address any town roles other than the Vig shot

[AnimatedWiz]

Like what are y'all even doing right now

We’re trying to figure out mech, mostly—have any insights?

[Black]

Python this is the exact same thing you did in Fire & Ice. You're really good at trying to convince people you're not scum by saying you wouldn't do things if you were scum in those positions

There's a difference between "If we were scum we'd be sheeping instead of starting a new wagon" in FaI and "If we were scum we'd have to deliberately make suboptimal night actions and then also not get stopped by the rest of the scumteam" that you're implying here

Can you explain why the night actions would be suboptimal in a world where OWER is a Mafia Ascetic or Commuter?

Commuter doesn't make sense in the setup and if OWER is Ascetic then that's even more reason to have then do the kill

Commuter doesn't make sense in the setup and if OWER is Ascetic then that's even more reason to have then do the kill

This is a good point—I think that if there was a Mafia Ascetic, they would be chosen to kill due to you claiming Watcher, Black.

According to the wiki, Ascetic can be designed in a way where they lose their ability if they make the hit. Why are both of you assuming this can't be the case here?

[usesPython]

Python this is the exact same thing you did in Fire & Ice. You're really good at trying to convince people you're not scum by saying you wouldn't do things if you were scum in those positions

There's a difference between "If we were scum we'd be sheeping instead of starting a new wagon" in FaI and "If we were scum we'd have to deliberately make suboptimal night actions and then also not get stopped by the rest of the scumteam" that you're implying here

Can you explain why the night actions would be suboptimal in a world where OWER is a Mafia Ascetic or Commuter?

Commuter doesn't make sense in the setup and if OWER is Ascetic then that's even more reason to have then do the kill

Commuter doesn't make sense in the setup and if OWER is Ascetic then that's even more reason to have then do the kill

This is a good point—I think that if there was a Mafia Ascetic, they would be chosen to kill due to you claiming Watcher, Black.

According to the wiki, Ascetic can be designed in a way where they lose their ability if they make the hit. Why are both of you assuming this can't be the case here?

Read the setup, mafia have inherent multitasking so they'd keep Ascetic while making the kill

[usesPython]

Also the Variations tab in wiki pages only applies to non-Normals, for Normals you want to be reading the part that says Normal version

[BlackStar]

It looks like you posted that before I claimed though

Unless Black has a guilty result, I don't have a problem getting voted out today. The PoE is too small for scum to win at this point.

What was the point of posting this? You weren't even being considered for the chopping block

Because the game is kind of just over now. A Blackstar red flip puts us too far ahead for scum to win. There isn't really a point in trying to argue who should go out first.

That's not why you posted that

Sorry, I didn't realize you had mind-reading powers

You don't need to be a mind reader go see that your response doesn't really make sense. The game wasn't "over" when you made that first post, so your rationale for making it must have been different

[Black]

Fine

VOTE: BlackStar

If python is yet again on a mislim can we please fade them tomorrow?

[Roden]

Like what are y'all even doing right now

We’re trying to figure out mech, mostly—have any insights?

There have been no kills for the past two nights

Night 1: THS Vig'd Shea, Smiley JK'd Shea

Night 2: Smiley JK'd Python

Python has claimed 1-shot BP

What do you think it means in a world where Blackstar flips red and Python is confirmed as town

[usesPython]

Like what are y'all even doing right now

We’re trying to figure out mech, mostly—have any insights?

There have been no kills for the past two nights

Night 1: THS Vig'd Shea, Smiley JK'd Shea

Night 2: Smiley JK'd Python

Python has claimed 1-shot BP

What do you think it means in a world where Blackstar flips red and Python is confirmed as town

Smiley JK'd THS not Shea