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[BlackStar]

I’m more partial to eliminating BlackStar before UsesPython—I understand the suspicion of their spot,

but his claim and the way he’s responded to the pressure is far more scummy to me.

I think you might be getting distracted by a new scumread and forgetting your stronger one, Black.

Elaborate

I explained some in 1760, but I’ll share more.

In 1734, when asked to share a readslist you gave one from the end of D2, and said you’d catch up and give a new one. Soon after, you say that you’re not really able to use the mech talk and how people respond to it to formulate reads, essentially absolving yourself of having to give a new readslist.

You’ve also been a bit quieter than in our last game, as Black mentioned in 1731—as if you’re trying to squeak by as our attention gets pulled elsewhere. I feel like Python’s far more active and trying to solve—both defending themselves and giving their alternate ideas. Out of the two most likely possibilities for the lack of nightkill (Python was jailed while attempting to NK, or you attempted to NK a jailed Python), it feels far likelier that you’re the scum.

Nobody is ever absolved of making a reads list. I forgot that Black asked for it, but here it is now

Town

Smiley
TheHoldSteady

Town Lean

Enchant
Black
Thestatusquo

Null

Roden

Scum Lean

OutworldER
Naerys

Scum

AnimatedWiz
usesPython


I don't think it's fair to say that I'm trying to squeak by. If I was scum who wanted to hide, there wouldn't have been any reason to defend Roden so hard earlier when his wagon gained momentum. And after everybody started being suspicious of me, I could've just pulled the classic scum move of saying that "I'll get caught up on the game soon" and then just never post anything. But instead I'm here and I answer any question or point that people make about me

[Roden]

It looks like you posted that before I claimed though

Unless Black has a guilty result, I don't have a problem getting voted out today. The PoE is too small for scum to win at this point.

What was the point of posting this? You weren't even being considered for the chopping block

Because the game is kind of just over now. A Blackstar red flip puts us too far ahead for scum to win. There isn't really a point in trying to argue who should go out first.

That's not why you posted that

Sorry, I didn't realize you had mind-reading powers

You don't need to be a mind reader go see that your response doesn't really make sense. The game wasn't "over" when you made that first post, so your rationale for making it must have been different

What context is missing then?

[Black]

Scum
AnimatedWiz
usesPython

I like this if you flip town here

That would mean two of OWER/Roden/Naerys is town and the third is probably the partner

[BlackStar]

It looks like you posted that before I claimed though

Unless Black has a guilty result, I don't have a problem getting voted out today. The PoE is too small for scum to win at this point.

What was the point of posting this? You weren't even being considered for the chopping block

Because the game is kind of just over now. A Blackstar red flip puts us too far ahead for scum to win. There isn't really a point in trying to argue who should go out first.

That's not why you posted that

Sorry, I didn't realize you had mind-reading powers

You don't need to be a mind reader go see that your response doesn't really make sense. The game wasn't "over" when you made that first post, so your rationale for making it must have been different

What context is missing then?

Black asked you why posted that. You said you posted it because the game was over and it didn't matter if we flipped me or Python first. But I hadn't claimed yet at the point when you made that post, so that couldn't have been your thought process at that moment in time

[Roden]

It looks like you posted that before I claimed though

Unless Black has a guilty result, I don't have a problem getting voted out today. The PoE is too small for scum to win at this point.

What was the point of posting this? You weren't even being considered for the chopping block

Because the game is kind of just over now. A Blackstar red flip puts us too far ahead for scum to win. There isn't really a point in trying to argue who should go out first.

That's not why you posted that

Sorry, I didn't realize you had mind-reading powers

You don't need to be a mind reader go see that your response doesn't really make sense. The game wasn't "over" when you made that first post, so your rationale for making it must have been different

What context is missing then?

Black asked you why posted that. You said you posted it because the game was over and it didn't matter if we flipped me or Python first. But I hadn't claimed yet at the point when you made that post, so that couldn't have been your thought process at that moment in time

Do you know who else had claimed at that point

[Roden]

I don't know what y'all are trying catch me on here when I literally said you can vote me out and still win

Kind of a pointless thing to argue about or grill me on

[BlackStar]

Ok, so I guess you meant that since most people had claimed it would be easy to find out who was lying. My bad

[BlackStar]

I don't know what y'all are trying catch me on here when I literally said you can vote me out and still win

Kind of a pointless thing to argue about or grill me on

I misunderstood you and it just seemed like you were changing the reason for what you originally said. I didn't know what the reason could be, but I didn't want to ignore what seemed like an inconsistency

[Black]

If BlackStar flips town I think I'll be somewhat confident in Python/Annie/x

I don't like the way Annie is pushing for a Roden lim despite admitting that there's probably only two explanations for the lack of NK (python!scum or BS!scum)

It feels like he knows BS will flip town and he's trying to not be on the BS wagon with his scumbuddy(s)

I also think if I'm right about scum thinking they could misfade me if they keep me alive, Annie's behavior towards me fits the bill. He's casted doubt on my claim and moved me down a tier today

So yeah, if BS flips town then we can fade a red python, and then fade a red Annie after. If BS flips wolf then Python is locktown obviously and we can figure out what to make of Annie then

[AnimatedWiz]

If BlackStar flips town I think I'll be somewhat confident in Python/Annie/x

I don't like the way Annie is pushing for a Roden lim despite admitting that there's probably only two explanations for the lack of NK (python!scum or BS!scum)

It feels like he knows BS will flip town and he's trying to not be on the BS wagon with his scumbuddy(s)

I also think if I'm right about scum thinking they could misfade me if they keep me alive, Annie's behavior towards me fits the bill. He's casted doubt on my claim and moved me down a tier today

So yeah, if BS flips town then we can fade a red python, and then fade a red Annie after. If BS flips wolf then Python is locktown obviously and we can figure out what to make of Annie then

This… doesn’t make sense?


I moved you down a tier in 1335 on D2, not on D3.

I’ve also never casted doubt on your claim—in fact, I based my reasoning on BlackStar on you telling the truth. After all, if we assumed you’re lying about being a Watcher, then we have no reason to assume there’s a definitely a scum between BlackStar and Python (since we have no one to confirm BlackStar and Smiley targeting Python N2). None of my reasoning follows that universe, and I’m unsure why you think it does.

Finally, I’ve never actually campaigned for people to vote for you—the lowest you’ve ever been for me is a high townlean. What makes you believe otherwise?

[AnimatedWiz]

Like, I can totally respect if the vibes you’re picking up off of me are weird or you just feel more confident in other players at this point, but if you go through my ISO you can see that there’s not evidence for the reasoning you gave.

[Black]

I never said you've campaigned for my lim, but if you're scum then I consider posts like 1565 and 1736 as the start of you publicly weakening your TR on me so that you can position yourself to misfade me later

[Black]

Why are you voting Roden here and not BlackStar?

[AnimatedWiz]

I’m voting Roden because I know that if I jump on the BlackStar wagon, it could cause the the day to end early. I also just still do not like the vibes of Roden’s posting—it feels like fluff and he’s actively pushing for BlackStar’s elim, which makes me hesitate on it. I know one of BlackStar and Python is scum, but I’d really rather not sacrifice a townie too if we don’t have to (AKA I’d like to get it right the first time).

And also, I feel like if I wanted to set up for an elim on you, I’d just be quicker and more direct about it—I feel like a lot of my turnarounds on people like BlackStar have been far faster and more obvious. And what benefit do I have to eliminating someone who considered me locktown? It’s way better for scum!me to just play as your lackey and let you consider me town while I try to guide you to miselimming other people.

[BlackStar]

I’m voting Roden because I know that if I jump on the BlackStar wagon, it could cause the the day to end early. I also just still do not like the vibes of Roden’s posting—it feels like fluff and he’s actively pushing for BlackStar’s elim, which makes me hesitate on it. I know one of BlackStar and Python is scum, but I’d really rather not sacrifice a townie too if we don’t have to (AKA I’d like to get it right the first time).

And also, I feel like if I wanted to set up for an elim on you, I’d just be quicker and more direct about it—I feel like a lot of my turnarounds on people like BlackStar have been far faster and more obvious. And what benefit do I have to eliminating someone who considered me locktown? It’s way better for scum!me to just play as your lackey and let you consider me town while I try to guide you to miselimming other people.

After I flip, Black would be one of the leading people behind 3 mis-lims. It doesn't matter that she considered you lock-town in the past because she would be an easy person to use as a target for the next lim after Python.

[Black]

And also, I feel like if I wanted to set up for an elim on you, I’d just be quicker and more direct about it—I feel like a lot of my turnarounds on people like BlackStar have been far faster and more obvious. And what benefit do I have to eliminating someone who considered me locktown? It’s way better for scum!me to just play as your lackey and let you consider me town while I try to guide you to miselimming other people.

The world I'm envisioning is you and your cronies discussing what to do in the PT after D2 ended. You could hit me, or you could keep me alive and eventually try to misfade me

Actually, it just occurred to me that if it really is you/python here, ya'll probably

did

try to kill me and Smiley prevented that. LMAO. We'll see how right I am about that later ig

[Black]

I’m voting Roden because I know that if I jump on the BlackStar wagon, it could cause the the day to end early. I also just still do not like the vibes of Roden’s posting—it feels like fluff and he’s actively pushing for BlackStar’s elim, which makes me hesitate on it. I know one of BlackStar and Python is scum, but I’d really rather not sacrifice a townie too if we don’t have to (AKA I’d like to get it right the first time).

And also, I feel like if I wanted to set up for an elim on you, I’d just be quicker and more direct about it—I feel like a lot of my turnarounds on people like BlackStar have been far faster and more obvious. And what benefit do I have to eliminating someone who considered me locktown? It’s way better for scum!me to just play as your lackey and let you consider me town while I try to guide you to miselimming other people.

After I flip, Black would be one of the leading people behind 3 mis-lims. It doesn't matter that she considered you lock-town in the past because she would be an easy person to use as a target for the next lim after Python.

3? I didn't want to fade Hu Tao

[AnimatedWiz]

However… I do see your logic—I see how, if I was that kind of player, those would be great ways to prep a switching of allegiances. I don’t think you’re wrong for noting them as odd, but if I could just be very frank here:

I would like to trust you and for you to trust me. I feel like you’ve had the least amount of posts that make me pause out of the other players here, and I do really feel like I can read you better than the rest. I feel like we have similar reads and similar theories about a lot of players, and I truly did mindmeld with you in the middle of D1.

If all of that matches your experience, I think we can try to become the basis of an actual towncore,

together

.

If this isn’t the case for you, I get it—just please consider the pros and cons before you starting pushing me if we’re wrong on BlackStar here.

[Black]

However… I do see your logic—I see how, if I was that kind of player, those would be great ways to prep a switching of allegiances. I don’t think you’re wrong for noting them as odd, but if I could just be very frank here:

I would like to trust you and for you to trust me. I feel like you’ve had the least amount of posts that make me pause out of the other players here, and I do really feel like I can read you better than the rest. I feel like we have similar reads and similar theories about a lot of players, and I truly did mindmeld with you in the middle of D1.

If all of that matches your experience, I think we can try to become the basis of an actual towncore,

together

.

If this isn’t the case for you, I get it—just please consider the pros and cons before you starting pushing me if we’re wrong on BlackStar here.

Ok. I won't lockscum you if BS is town and python is scum

[BlackStar]

I’m voting Roden because I know that if I jump on the BlackStar wagon, it could cause the the day to end early. I also just still do not like the vibes of Roden’s posting—it feels like fluff and he’s actively pushing for BlackStar’s elim, which makes me hesitate on it. I know one of BlackStar and Python is scum, but I’d really rather not sacrifice a townie too if we don’t have to (AKA I’d like to get it right the first time).

And also, I feel like if I wanted to set up for an elim on you, I’d just be quicker and more direct about it—I feel like a lot of my turnarounds on people like BlackStar have been far faster and more obvious. And what benefit do I have to eliminating someone who considered me locktown? It’s way better for scum!me to just play as your lackey and let you consider me town while I try to guide you to miselimming other people.

After I flip, Black would be one of the leading people behind 3 mis-lims. It doesn't matter that she considered you lock-town in the past because she would be an easy person to use as a target for the next lim after Python.

3? I didn't want to fade Hu Tao

Sorry, I thought you did. Still, you led the Wartortle wagon and got this one started so it would be easy to start a wagon on you once I die

[AnimatedWiz]

However… I do see your logic—I see how, if I was that kind of player, those would be great ways to prep a switching of allegiances. I don’t think you’re wrong for noting them as odd, but if I could just be very frank here:

I would like to trust you and for you to trust me. I feel like you’ve had the least amount of posts that make me pause out of the other players here, and I do really feel like I can read you better than the rest. I feel like we have similar reads and similar theories about a lot of players, and I truly did mindmeld with you in the middle of D1.

If all of that matches your experience, I think we can try to become the basis of an actual towncore,

together

.

If this isn’t the case for you, I get it—just please consider the pros and cons before you starting pushing me if we’re wrong on BlackStar here.

Ok. I won't lockscum you if BS is town and python is scum

Thank you.

[AnimatedWiz]

What is BlackStar at right now, by the way? Still E-3 or E-2?

[BlackStar]

I think it’s E-2?

[AnimatedWiz]

Gotcha. Hopefully we’ll get a few more days before we make an actual decision to eliminate.

[Black]

Gotcha. Hopefully we’ll get a few more days before we make an actual decision to eliminate.

Is there anything in particular you are hoping to get out of a few more days