Toriel's Patience (end)

[RCEnigma]

I haven't actually calculated the EV of either option and I want to do that before I answer that question. I think nearly always the play is spare unless I'm quite sure Dunnstral is scum but since spare + kill removes two of the most townread players per phase as opposed to Lim+NK lopping one from top and one from bottom it might actually not be as good an option as it seems at race value.

I didn’t even really consider sparing takes town power away from town just by virtue of being right. I guess it’s negligible with enough townbeards and a mechanical plan *bingle*…probably.

[RCEnigma]

If you guys let me keep posting I’m absolutely going to keep posting and talking to myself.

[Taly]

please do its more content than half of us combined

[RCEnigma]

Coming up then, just don’t nk me scum cuz I’ll spew like 8 slots as locktown.

[RCEnigma]

Page 17 added reads
-beeboy town
-Merlyn scum, just because I just remember they existed and that doesn’t feel….Merlyn…y
-Shirou could actually be towning and the forces Dunn deeper into a scum Poe for me.

[RCEnigma]

I’m basically going to live or die on townreading Alisae this game. I’m unreasonably confident on their alignment.

[Taly]

wHaT abOuT mE

[RCEnigma]

You’re pretty secure in my townreads.

If I had to compare you guys to anime I’d say you’re like, my hero academia - it took me a few episodes to think, oh ok this is going to be a banger

But Alisae is JJK - I watched an episode and said “oh my god this is heat”

[RCEnigma]

Reads are looking like:

Town af - alisae
Town - Taly/Ydrasse
Reasonably town - brown eyes/Sakura
Growing on me - Shirou/keyleth/beeboy
Eh idk - dann
—————-
Dunn goes here
Dunno pile - shirou/implosion
Freedom

Rip meuh

[RCEnigma]

How do I feel about that? I’m only really confident in the top three.

Brown eyes isn’t very prevalent in the game up to where I’ve read but his posting is good. That’s so vague but I guess it’s…tonal/vibe?
Same with Sakura and having an endorsement from my predecessor is a plus.

Shirou & keyleth both have positive and negatives so I can go either way with the reads until I get deeper in the game. But I guess it pushes beeboy to the front of that group.

Dann is an interesting slot that I only have this low because of datisis university where I gave him a lot of wiggle room for being loose, aggressive against slots I wouldn’t expect from scum, and having complex progressions that I didn’t expect from scum!dann. Even if I did consider him a strong scum player to begin with. So he’s kind of suffering from a shorter leash via recency bias.

[RCEnigma]

Evidence is inconclusive on the other slots so I can’t really begin to approach townreading any of them.

Dunn should probably be below the dunno pile.

[Taly]

we need a bigger townbloc if it's going to survive through the duration of spare, dont scum get NKs then?

[Taly]

Psstst

shirou

Wanna townbloc

[Sakura Hana]

VOTE: Dannflor

[RCEnigma]

If it's between Meuh and Alisae i... dont really know which one to vote, but i'd probably go back to Meuh now that Alisae's actually playing. I'd rather eliminate freedom tho.

then vote there but explain why

I thought I already did, but Merlyn's vote on me gave me weird feelings.
VOTE: freedom

Is this not a thing for you anymore Sakura?

[RCEnigma]

A dann vote semi interests me but not as much as a freedom one with a bloc around it.

[Taly]

i want

freedom

flipped and my confidence that this is scum is reasonable independent of previous failures

i either end this game with a bunch of cracked eggs on a clown mask that i wear

or a town win

[Taly]

Though I think implo said something about spare being good based off EV.
And I think we can take his word with it.
P-edit: @Ydra

Alas, alas.

I also am inclined to go after the empty slot next.

Because there's going to be no contributions from it?
I might have to read Ari's iso first but I guess we could go for it if Ari was scummy.

Otherwise, it might be good going for what Shirou suggested with reading slots defensive of Meuh.

Hi RCE!

Your immediate predecessor RN was virtually non-existent so it'd be good if you could do something.

Hey! I’ve read 5ish pages, I have….varying confidence in reads but one was that meuh was town, so that’s nice I guess.

At the very least pushing to hammer in the middle of finding a replacement is !SKETCHY! So that’s also nice, I guess.

Idk what kind of bit I’m doing but I’ll probably keep it going till I get bored, I guess.

What are your current thoughts on

Spare

/

Fight

?

Alas, alas.

I also am inclined to go after the empty slot next.

Because there's going to be no contributions from it?
I might have to read Ari's iso first but I guess we could go for it if Ari was scummy.

Nah, I never really found Ari as town and have mentioned a couple times that the slot is in my PoE.

It was more so for me to remind myself to read Ari's ISO.

Actually, I realise you were answering my question.

*just realised

My bad.

Reading up now.

i scumread this because it is a lot of presence but there is nothing substantial coming from it

this is not a town ISO when someone has just participated in said town elimination, and in the context of when the wagon had relatively little resistance

[Taly]

im also still pinged by D2 posts from

implosion, dannflor, and keyleth

keyleth

the post about feeling like

meuh

could flip town in retrospect may be an informed way of expressing remorse

dannflor

because of defending against the

ydrasse

wagon upfront

implosion

since i feel like their posts have not achieved or set a definitive stance, and what i do remember of them has largely gone with the flow in a gamestate that has been proven to be misguided

my townread on

sakura

is faded, their worldview is centered around how others interact with them explicitly, but that might be a playstyle grievance

nobody should have a neutral or wishy-washy opinion of

freedom

rn, you either want to be on the wagon or you have a reason against it

shirou

is

shirou

and i hope something happens to help my perception of that slot because their trajectory with me and

aliase

are intriguing

[Taly]

the activity rn is unimpressive

[RCEnigma]

It’s not great…

[RCEnigma]

Bingle replaced brown eyes, I would appreciate some bingle input.

[Taly]

am i being pocketed by

bingle

because hes done that succesfully before

[Taly]

HE GAVE ME CRACKERS

how do i not take that to elo

[Keyleth]

dannflor because of defending against the ydrasse wagon upfront
implosion since i feel like their posts have not achieved or set a definitive stance, and what i do remember of them has largely gone with the flow in a gamestate that has been proven to be misguided

Can I ask, do you feel that ydrasse is a wolf and the way dann defended it is partner like, or are you just saying that the defense of the ydrasse wagon pinged you? If so, in what way? Because I was reading the wagon myself and I'm not seeing what you are.
What exactly are you expecting from town implosion in this case because I see your statement but I don't get the aha wolf! Part of the statement?

Willing to sheep the freedom vote though!

VOTE: Freedom