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2.02

Votecount 2.02

Bingle (2): camelCasedSnivy, Sleepy Dragon
Doctor Drew (1): Chell

Not Voting (7): Doctor Drew, Organized Khaos, Titus,

Celebloki

, Bingle, Naerys, Gamma Emerald

With 10 players alive, it takes 6 votes to secure an execution or 5 to secure a no-execution.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2023-11-28 12:17:09).

notes

Bingle is V/LA through tomorrow

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma is it correct to say that your read on me is kinda dependent on how I'm reading you

Yes.

[Gamma Emerald]

It’s not 1-to-1 but there is cause and effect

[Doctor Drew]

Ok I got to play with Bingle for at least a day, all I needed

VOTE: Bingle

[Celebloki]

Sorry, it's been a busy day and I haven't really had a chance to catch-up. I'll likely be sparse the next few days. I'd go on V/LA, but I'll probably still get a chance here and there to make some light phone posts. I'll see if I can't get some analysis in tonight at some point. I was pretty certain Elements was going to flip town. Eira is a surprise. Them both flipping town drastically changes my view of Bingle. I'll need to read some associations and come to a conclusion on that. I'm sad I got no mail

[Alianna]

Gamma Emerald has requested replacement.

[Doctor Drew]

Gamma Emerald has requested replacement.

[Titus]

My gut says do Khaos.

[Sleepy Dragon]

Am I the only one thinking that slot is obvscum right now?

can you walk me through why?

Sure, I'll try to break it down:

Vote on Eira:

There's two things here that bother me. First, Bingle has recently completed a game where Eiralox was town and was behaving in a very against-the-grain way and obstinate, and scum!Bingle pressured them for their against the grain play. I feel like town!Bingle would hesitate about SRing Eiralox and would realize that Eira being against the grain and obstinate is NAI at worst (and town indicative at best). Pressuring it feels like it's done in bad faith.

Second, the vote looked very scum motivated / opportunistic to me, in that Bingle first of all wrote a post where they explicitly said that most of what Eiralox had done this game so far was NAI and that Eira was lower null, and then only a few posts later in their ISO they CASUALLY put Eiralox at E-1, in a way that to me says "well I'm ready to end the day on Eira" (mind you, this was when Eira wasn't even here to defend themselves). To me this looks like scum who sees a mislim opportunity and tried to lock it in.

Tone:

Bingle has a towny tone, actually, but they always have a towny tone as scum in my experience so this is NAI. However there's something off about their tone in this post:

Spoiler: quote

Dragon, your takes come across as extremely

bad faith

and I’m

having a hard time reconciling that with my read of your slot

.

You think I’m scum for thinking Naerys is scum for objectively scummy things because you have meta. This is my first game with Naerys.

You think I’m scum for putting someone at e-1 with clear notification despite the fact that I’ve been openly accepting of the lim for at least 20 pages now.

You think I’m scum for being willing to lim a null read in my PoE despite also being the only person who has shown clear reasoning on the majority of the players since you’ve repped in.

And you’ve got a strong fixation with E-1 being a quick hammer despite there being very little threat of that happening fmpov.

The question here is: Why?

It feels like an attempt to discredit me without scumreading a widely townread slot (remember, Bingle was sure that I replaced KeyLaga). Like if I'm bad faith why you townreading me bro? If you think I'm tunneled town, say I'm tunneled town, not that I'm in bad faith. Though actually while writing this I'm starting to think I might be tunneled town. The thing is, I don't have any amazing scumreads elsewhere so for now I'm sticking with this unless someone drops an amazing scum case.

EOD pop-in (posts 2457 and 2464):

It just feels really off to me that after the Eira shenanigans, they see deadline is encroaching, and make an almost naked vote on Elements (who flipped town) with a promise to be around. And then instead of engaging with all the stuff that's been happening (such as the Snivy wagon and the mutual townreading that started to occur between everyone who was online), or giving reasoning for Elements, they just throw a general shade on everyone on their wagon and decide that somehow I have become a fine Day 2 lim (which is a hilariously bad idea), as well as really, really incorrect defense of themself.

Coasting:

I feel like Bingle has made zero effort to solve the game since my rep-in. They had made SOME solving before I repped in, but not afterwards. They were in a pretty strong position and townread, so it makes sense that scum!them would just decide to coast. I accused them of coasting and they made a response "refuting" it, which I'll dissect below.

did you respond to 2464 dragon?

I responded "that's a really bad reason to want to lim me day 2"

However, let me fully address it:

But seriously, though, the fuck are you smoking?

shade/discredit.

I was the start of the Eiralox wagon.

Misrep. Bingle voted Eiralox early on with zero reasoning and no case, and then unvoted Eiralox and called them town. This is not "starting the Eiralox wagon".

I prevented KL from making the thread shit even earlier by interceding between him and elements.

That's something you'd do as scum.

I have had major pushes on Naerys and GE. I was the source of the hard townreads for KL and OWer. I, without a doubt, have done the most of anyone with regards to initiating plays...

Having done things EARLIER doesn't mean you aren't coasting RIGHT NOW, which Bingle IS. Read the game from page 70 and tell me they weren't coasting for 40 pages.

...and your push is the exact opposite of the stated reason of other people voting me: That I'm controlling the thread too much.

I'm probably down to lim SD D2, atp.

LOL

Scumreading someone for daring to think differently from the rest of the town is HILARIOUS. And by hilarious, I mean fucking bad play if town but probably coming from scum. Not once did I say that I am voting Bingle because of other people. Why does my push on Bingle have to conform with other people's perceptions of Bingle?

[Sleepy Dragon]

Sorry for wallpost by the way.

Gamma Emerald has requested replacement.

Second this

My gut says do Khaos.

I'm fine with this, but what did you think about Chell's take on the NK? And what do you think about Bingle as a lim?

[Sleepy Dragon]

OH WAIT that other game ended

Guysssss Gamma has a completed scum game now!!! We can use it for meta. Chell, do you get the same vibes from this game as from the other game? Because for me they feel subtly different but I'm not sure if I'm making up that difference or if it really exists.

[Sleepy Dragon]

Ppl I need you to post so I can town read you and then solve the game.

[Naerys]

You have a point about Bingle.
I am sad about Gamma replacing, hopefully everything is alright there.

[Titus]

Sorry for wallpost by the way.

Gamma Emerald has requested replacement.

Second this

My gut says do Khaos.

I'm fine with this, but what did you think about Chell's take on the NK? And what do you think about Bingle as a lim?

Not a fan of Chell. Also, didn't Chell claim there was no protective role?

Bingle is a good VCA flip like Khaos. I just prefer Khaos due to the lack of content.

[Alianna]

gob replaces Gamma Emerald.

[gob]

Everyone, I am here to save the day.

[Sleepy Dragon]

gob have you managed to roll town today?

[Naerys]

Greetings, gob!

[Sleepy Dragon]

Not a fan of Chell.

Why?

Also, didn't Chell claim there was no protective role?

Did she?

Bingle is a good VCA flip like Khaos. I just prefer Khaos due to the lack of content.

That is fair.

I'm not changing my vote right now because we have 6 days before we have to hammer (I am NOT letting this go to deadline AGAIN), and I feel like putting pressure on Bingle for now.

[Sleepy Dragon]

My mail target was Kitty.

Sure it was.
VOTE: Naerys

is there any reason for this vote

Snivy I know you are online, can you please post here and townspew yourself? It'd be awesome if you do something really crazy that only town!CCS would do, like fullclaiming your role right now because it's an awesome idea and you trust

in the heart of the cards

in the Dragon. But that's just an example, feel free to do anything else that would spew you town.

[gob]

gob have you managed to roll town today?

Yes, mafia season is over.

[Sleepy Dragon]

Can you quickly have a look at Chell's ISO and tell me what you think of her? Don't cheat by looking at Gamma's reads.

[gob]

VOTE: Organized Khaos

Someone fill me in if there has been any checks or somethin.

[gob]

I don't think it is Chell.

I think @camelSnivy is mafia here btw. Titus and Bingle seem TvT.

[Sleepy Dragon]

What's the case for Snivy?