Micro Normal 1094 | Game Over!

[Hu Tao]

Hu Tao stop being trash pls

Like, you seem dead-set on me being scum for…pushing a new player to provide better content??? And you additionally seem to be giving that new player a pass for what exactly???

Like, I’m not gonna play with kid gloves on, those were thrown in the wood chipper after my last off-site game. I am not gonna just let bad play snowball because a player is newer.

I'm a sucker for ATE.

And yes, I know but just based on experience you seem the type to talk it out first. I could be wrong though

[Hu Tao]

I'm going to bed.

I kinda did the same thing the first like 1.5 days so I don't find it too bad but yeah they aren't really too active and would need to be a bit now. so fully neutral on that debate. if they don't add much tomorrow yeah the possi town ranking could go down. but I do have a small gut feeling in her being town.

Tbf I have a soft spot for newer players so it could be my fault.

[Hu Tao]

Like, you seem dead-set on me being scum for…pushing a new player to provide better content??? And you additionally seem to be giving that new player a pass for what exactly???

Like, I’m not gonna play with kid gloves on, those were thrown in the wood chipper after my last off-site game. I am not gonna just let bad play snowball because a player is newer.

I dont like the aggression in this post.I agree that bad play should not be tolerated, not even newbies. But pushing for their 3rd or 4th post? That feels as if you were a shark that has smellt their prey

That was my original interpretation too

[Hu Tao]

Arko's case on me is hot garbage. It's based entirely on meta, and I'm not some formulaic robot that plays the exact same way every game. My play is more influenced by things like what is going on in a game and what is going on in my actual life than it is by my alignment. I think comparing my early game posting between my town and scum games is a really poor way to try and determine my alignment, and that's even more evident considering Arko's conclusion here

That being said I like Arko's posts after the case, specifically his thoughts on Klick/Hu Tao in 151. I'm getting the vibe that he's probably just tunneled town here. I think part of this read is influenced by Hu's response to the case. 158 is really bad and makes her lose some town points imo. How is a case this bad selling her on scum!me? Feels more like she's trying to push the wagon along because she's fine with the mislim

I'm still not really sure about Thomith. I like Gamma's responses over the past couple of pages and I think she's probably town

Considering I'm not voting you currently and never expressed a town read on you. (In fact I've been more weary of your slot considering I've been asking people thoughts on your positions) why does that make me scummy? You already are E-2 why would it need my help to Elim you? This seems overly defensive for no reason

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: kittiesecret
I don’t like the narration-esque manner of writing or the lack of any tangible content. Doesn’t feel like she actually gives a damn to solve.

VOTE: gamma

Feels like pushing on a new person. They stated they were new, why not ask a specific question if you're worried she's not trying to solve?

Good evening!

I just finished catching up, and there was a lot of things said with out a lot of things being said.

I am new I only have one game under my belt. And I don't have any day one reads on any one yet.

Hey!

What do you think of Hu Tao's questioning of me?
What do you think of my responses to that questioning?
What do you think of how Black has been posting so far?
What do you think of Arko's read list? Do you agree?

This is the response I'd expect from gamma if she's town. I've seen gamma ask lots of questions before so I know she's capable, so she could be scum here

This case on gamma is just bad. Asking questions is like the easiest thing for scum to do so I'm not sure why gamma not asking questions is scum indicative

I'm starting to think Hu could definitely be scum here but I can't rule out bad/inaccurate town

[Hu Tao]

UNVOTE: gamma

[Hu Tao]

Good afternoon,

Popping into skim on my lunch break. I have no where to be this evening. I'll be back later with my thoughts to date.

And Thom, I'll answer your other questions then too.

Looking forward to it ~

[Hu Tao]

I don't like Black's 180 on me. Seems like omgus. Unless they are known for being defensive in this way?

[Gamma Emerald]

Hu Tao stop being trash pls

Like, you seem dead-set on me being scum for…pushing a new player to provide better content??? And you additionally seem to be giving that new player a pass for what exactly???

Like, I’m not gonna play with kid gloves on, those were thrown in the wood chipper after my last off-site game. I am not gonna just let bad play snowball because a player is newer.

I'm a sucker for ATE.

And yes, I know but just based on experience you seem the type to talk it out first. I could be wrong though

I think my mood this game is “shoot first ask questions later” because I think my way of getting your attention feels a bit like how I poked kittie

[DragonEater70]

VC 1.07

Votecount 1.07

Black (3):

Testarossa, Naerys, Arko

Gamma Emerald (1):

Kittiesecret

Thomith (1):

Black

Hu Tao (1):

Klick

Not Voting (3):

Thomith, Gamma Emerald, Hu Tao

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 votes to secure an elimination.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2023-11-30 17:17:13).

Mod notes:

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[Black]

You already are E-2 why would it need my help to Elim you? This seems overly defensive for no reason

Oh my bad, I must have missed the memo where e-2 was suddenly enough to fade someone

I don't like Black's 180 on me. Seems like omgus. Unless they are known for being defensive in this way?

I think I made it pretty clear that I don't think Arko's case should be convincing anyone that I'm scum, which is why your 158 gives me major pause. I'm not sure why you interpret that as omgus when the progression is very transparent

Do you think being defensive is inherently scummy?

[Thomith]

Okay, read the black case.
The effort put in makes me feel better than I did about Arko.
To be honest, I've never hugely liked meta cases - I do kind of see the comparisons, but not sure I want to 100% commit to any kind of scum read on Black solely based off a meta case alone. I find it a little weird that from what I recall, a lot of the early suspicion on Black was purely because "she's playing like she did in other scum games", which I'm not sure how I feel about.

Ok I re-read through, and to be fair, the only two people that mentioned suspecting black for mainly meta reasons, or because of previous scum behavior, was Arko and Kittiesecret.

[Black]

Okay, read the black case.
The effort put in makes me feel better than I did about Arko.
To be honest, I've never hugely liked meta cases - I do kind of see the comparisons, but not sure I want to 100% commit to any kind of scum read on Black solely based off a meta case alone. I find it a little weird that from what I recall, a lot of the early suspicion on Black was purely because "she's playing like she did in other scum games", which I'm not sure how I feel about.

Ok I re-read through, and to be fair, the only two people that mentioned suspecting black for mainly meta reasons, or because of previous scum behavior, was Arko and Kittiesecret.

What is your read on me?

[Thomith]

Okay, read the black case.
The effort put in makes me feel better than I did about Arko.
To be honest, I've never hugely liked meta cases - I do kind of see the comparisons, but not sure I want to 100% commit to any kind of scum read on Black solely based off a meta case alone. I find it a little weird that from what I recall, a lot of the early suspicion on Black was purely because "she's playing like she did in other scum games", which I'm not sure how I feel about.

Ok I re-read through, and to be fair, the only two people that mentioned suspecting black for mainly meta reasons, or because of previous scum behavior, was Arko and Kittiesecret.

What is your read on me?

I dislike that the Suspicion on you seems mostly on Meta, and that suspicion on you seemed to come quite quickly, but despite a lot of people suspecting you it took a while for anyone to commit to a vote.
I feel like you have responded to the suspicion well (Specifically in #98, #114 and #167), because it didn't feel like you were purely in defense mode, as you were asking questions, or otherwise furthering the narrative of the game to keep things moving.

Kind of unrelated to my read on you, but something I want to mention anyway, is I disagree with this:

*SNIP*
This case on gamma is just bad. Asking questions is like the easiest thing for scum to do so I'm not sure why gamma not asking questions is scum indicative

While I understand your point, I think it definitely matters the type of questions that are asked, and even if you aren't asking questions, whether the comments you are making are working towards the solve or progressing the game. You can pressure someone for what you feel is "bad play", but if there is no way for them to really respond (or it's unclear), that feels a little anti-town to me.

I want to tentatively read you as town I think, but as I said early, there's just that little bit of paranoia that you were trying to pocket me in the first few pages, but I'm trying to view everything else objectively rather than basing my ideas off that, because I feel like I can't objectively pressure you or read you based off something that you aren't able to control

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't like Black's 180 on me. Seems like omgus. Unless they are known for being defensive in this way?

Pretty sure that’s how she is. I know she got into it with Alisae in open 891 as town

[Black]

Yes I tend to get defensive as town but I don't think my read on Hu Tao was defensive at all

The fact that she described it as

overly

defensive is wild to me

[Testarossa]

So basically no one is really townreading Black, besides maybe Thom (if not for his paranoia), while some people seem to be vulturing above her, yet no one really wants to commit to push her to E-1 because... why?

At least I don't feel she is getting bussed here in a scum world. If town, it's a bit more difficult as I might need to review some reads.

Hu Tao's 158 and 182 ping me a bit in a negative way. Would still lean rather town, but it regressed at least. Might you explain what convinced you so much in Arko's meta case?

Also I don't think Black/Gamma is a team.

[Testarossa]

I like the effort to case Black

Why does the effort means in this case that it comes from town?

I have issues with this post, I’ll get into those in a bit

Older post, but do you mind to tell what your issues have been? Also what changed that made you unvote Kittie?

[Testarossa]

I like Arko more as town for now. Originally I slightly disliked his first readlist as all his reads left a window open with phrases like "could be faking it as scum", "this read is an easy changer", "it's 50/50" etc.

However I thought the fact that he loves to interpret so much in some whacky details, like the early rvs wagon on Black regarding his ORAM read as example, is more a thing that townies tend to do.

Don't think Arko/Black is SvS, for that his case seems too dedicated. However I can't really follow how he went from 50/50 of Black being scum to such a strong scumread or urge to go on an all-out metadive.

[Gamma Emerald]

I like the effort to case Black

Why does the effort means in this case that it comes from town?

I have issues with this post, I’ll get into those in a bit

Older post, but do you mind to tell what your issues have been? Also what changed that made you unvote Kittie?

I only really had like one real issue I think, which is that kittie was saying she felt like Arko’s reads were valid despite being extremely tepid about taking a solid stance herself just before. I unvoted to give myself space to think, though.
Wrt the effort, it’s not a hard towntell without more to back it up but it feels like a real solving fervor.

[Gamma Emerald]

Good evening!

I just finished catching up, and there was a lot of things said with out a lot of things being said.

I am new I only have one game under my belt. And I don't have any day one reads on any one yet.

What do you think of Arko's read list? Do you agree?

I feel this is accurate for page 4.

These do not line up imo

[Arko]

3 things
1: Me going 50/50 to full scum: I actually had been analyzing this for the first time myself, so soon as I noticed it besides the general gutread and familiarity to the one game she was scum and I was town, it went from yeah null to HELL NO, NOT TOWN.

2: Black going from Hu Tao good to Hu Tao bad is definitely pinging off the ON/OFF behaviour sensor to me- one of the thing she does as scum. But Hu Tao didn't do necessarily great to me in the last few posts either. I'll look there later.

3: The thing about E-1: Yeah you are kinda right. I get why people are hesitant but considering the fact at one point we had 2/3 of the entire player list not liking black to just 1/3 voting them... yeah I get the point. still, likely just town hesitancy.

[Black]

So basically no one is really townreading Black, besides maybe Thom (if not for his paranoia), while some people seem to be vulturing above her, yet no one really wants to commit to push her to E-1 because... why?

I find it odd that you've kept your RVS vote on me and are now encouraging others to get me to e-1 despite you showing some suspicion over some of the people pushing me. Why do you think I'm scum here?

[Black]

2: Black going from Hu Tao good to Hu Tao bad is definitely pinging off the ON/OFF behaviour sensor to me- one of the thing she does as scum. But Hu Tao didn't do necessarily great to me in the last few posts either. I'll look there later

Which is it? Am I confident in my reads as scum or not?

[Black]

Arko if you're town then you should seriously consider that you may be tunneled here