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Post Post #3250 (ISO) » Wed Nov 22, 2023 5:43 pm

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Organized Khaos (2): Naerys, Titus
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Post Post #3251 (ISO) » Wed Nov 22, 2023 5:46 pm

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In post 3249, Chell wrote: what is your opinion of gob, drew
Gob is in my lim pool with you.....and by proxy Snivy.....and by proxy proxy, Khaos.

But, I feel you are connected to Snivy, and Snivy is connected to Khaos(or is it is crazy and all three of you is scum lol).

And as I type this out......VOTE: Snivy

He is the lynchpin imo.
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Post Post #3252 (ISO) » Wed Nov 22, 2023 5:47 pm

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what makes snivy the most attractive option
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Post Post #3253 (ISO) » Wed Nov 22, 2023 6:22 pm

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In post 3252, Chell wrote: what makes snivy the most attractive option
You are protecting him, he is protecting Khaos, you have wanted to vote Khaos.

It is VCA in real time.
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Post Post #3254 (ISO) » Wed Nov 22, 2023 7:23 pm

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I am not following why that makes snivy the most likely to be scum out of the three of us
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Post Post #3255 (ISO) » Wed Nov 22, 2023 7:42 pm

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:facepalm: Thats some drewing
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Post Post #3256 (ISO) » Wed Nov 22, 2023 7:55 pm

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I am still here. I have been busy with the holidays but am still invested in this, I just have had no time to sit and read and post. I have thought a lot about this game and most find that I wonder why I am still alive. My biggest worry is that my initial reads are all in town and scum kept me alive to push mis-lims. I feel I need to throw out all my previous reads and re-evaluate. I hope to find time to put something together, but realistically I am still going to be busy through tomorrow. Just the nature of the beast.
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Post Post #3257 (ISO) » Wed Nov 22, 2023 8:23 pm

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celebloki you are probably alive because scum thought you would be protected
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Post Post #3258 (ISO) » Wed Nov 22, 2023 8:55 pm

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In post 3178, gob wrote:
In post 3176, Sleepy Dragon wrote: K I am pretty sure I'm not voting so gob is at E-1

I need to do my V/LA things so I'm going to leave you now. I'll check in tomorrow probably and if I'm in a good mood I might try to talk with you more, gob. But atm I really don't feel like. I have better things I need to do IRL.
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2. Thinks you are scum
3. Keeps getting told by you he's really terrible at this game instead of engaging in good faith
Would prefer to do his real life things over engaging with you?
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Post Post #3259 (ISO) » Wed Nov 22, 2023 8:57 pm

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@Chell I agree with Bingle that your logic points to gob needing to go before Khaos

@Drew can you walk me through your entire thought process? Yes I know you already said you think Chell is defending Snivy who's defending Khaos but I really don't have enough time for this game right now to deeply analyze. So it would be useful if you explain your thought process and quote the relevant posts.
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Post Post #3260 (ISO) » Thu Nov 23, 2023 5:20 am

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In post 3240, Chell wrote: I’m not sheeping bingle lol

I’m not sure whether bingle even outright scum reads gob
I don’t. I have a map of vague associations in my head and need a ball of yarn to decide where I want to vote. Luckily, I should have plenty of time this week/end due to the holiday.
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Post Post #3261 (ISO) » Thu Nov 23, 2023 5:22 am

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In post 3254, Chell wrote: I am not following why that makes snivy the most likely to be scum out of the three of us
:shifty:

Potentially? Yarn.
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Post Post #3262 (ISO) » Thu Nov 23, 2023 5:26 am

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In post 3257, Chell wrote: celebloki you are probably alive because scum thought you would be protected
Alternatively, scum was informed that the protective was informed and KT was dead as soon as he claimed. It’s the tinfoil that’s been eating me about chell, because FL’s informed post did actually look like it had motivation and I can’t think of another one.
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Post Post #3263 (ISO) » Thu Nov 23, 2023 5:27 am

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Also, KT dying over me or eiralox is just kinda weird otherwise.
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Post Post #3264 (ISO) » Thu Nov 23, 2023 6:00 am

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In post 3255, Naerys wrote: :facepalm: Thats some drewing
In post 3259, Sleepy Dragon wrote: @Chell I agree with Bingle that your logic points to gob needing to go before Khaos

@Drew can you walk me through your entire thought process? Yes I know you already said you think Chell is defending Snivy who's defending Khaos but I really don't have enough time for this game right now to deeply analyze. So it would be useful if you explain your thought process and quote the relevant posts.
I was a little too deep in the whiskey pocket when I posted that read, reading it back it definitely needs some clarification lol.

Big holiday here in the states though today, so maybe later today while back in the whiskey pocket my drunken brain can explain to me what I meant in clearer terms.
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Post Post #3265 (ISO) » Thu Nov 23, 2023 6:45 am

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In post 3262, Bingle wrote:
In post 3257, Chell wrote: celebloki you are probably alive because scum thought you would be protected
Alternatively, scum was informed that the protective was informed and KT was dead as soon as he claimed. It’s the tinfoil that’s been eating me about chell, because FL’s informed post did actually look like it had motivation and I can’t think of another one.
I’m not actually informed

Idk if that increases or decreases your paranoia

There is something about my role that allows me to infer something about the setup but i don’t actually have the informed modifier

Wanted to leave it vague before but it’s probably fine to claim that much
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Post Post #3266 (ISO) » Thu Nov 23, 2023 7:49 am

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In post 3264, Doctor Drew wrote: Big holiday here in the states though today, so maybe later today while back in the whiskey pocket my drunken brain can explain to me what I meant in clearer terms.
okay lol
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Post Post #3267 (ISO) » Thu Nov 23, 2023 7:51 am

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In post 3260, Bingle wrote: I have a map of vague associations in my head and need a ball of yarn to decide where I want to vote
Yeah I'm with you on that
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Post Post #3268 (ISO) » Thu Nov 23, 2023 7:51 am

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Is it selfish if I want to E-1 gob just to get a claim?
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Post Post #3269 (ISO) » Thu Nov 23, 2023 7:53 am

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In post 3263, Bingle wrote: Also, KT dying over me or eiralox is just kinda weird otherwise.
Why would Eiralox be night killed? I thought Eiralox was probably going to be a viable mislim option for scum today if they didn't die.
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Post Post #3270 (ISO) » Thu Nov 23, 2023 10:24 am

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In post 3269, Sleepy Dragon wrote:
In post 3263, Bingle wrote: Also, KT dying over me or eiralox is just kinda weird otherwise.
Why would Eiralox be night killed? I thought Eiralox was probably going to be a viable mislim option for scum today if they didn't die.
Eiralox was softclaiming protective role pretty strongly at EoD. In hindsight, it was likely an attempt to draw the NK, but it would have been a good reason to shoot there for scum. It's also why I assume KT picked eira: Eira was likely either scum or someone scum would shoot to PR kill, so both halves of babysitter made him a good target.

Getting out the yarn now.
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Post Post #3271 (ISO) » Thu Nov 23, 2023 10:39 am

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In post 3265, Chell wrote: There is something about my role that allows me to infer something about the setup but i don’t actually have the informed modifier
If you'd claimed informed I'd have said it was a scum claim. I'm roughly considering whether a massclaim is right here, because we don't have enough power yet for this to be balanced, but significantly more power than what is flipped is unlikely. If there is 0 more town power, Naerys is functionally mechcleared, but the balance of vanillacop/informed babysitter/IC vs goon/goon/informed is kind of low for town. I'd have preferred you didn't softclaim PR there, but it is what it is, I guess.
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Post Post #3272 (ISO) » Thu Nov 23, 2023 11:15 am

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Mechanically possible scum:

Titus
Doctor Drew
Chell - probs not S/S with Naerys based on the eira wagon progression
gob - Not with SD. Maybe not with Naerys?
Sleepy Dragon - Not with gob. Not with OK.
Organized Khaos sum Implies Gob according to Chell, but I think its actually pretty clearing for gob looking at VCs:
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1.45 (UNCHANGED)
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Elements (E-2): KittyTacky, Bingle, Titus, Doctor Drew, Gamma Emerald
Bingle (E-2): Sleepy Dragon, Chell, Naerys, Elements, camelCasedSnivy
Eiralox (1): Organized Khaos
Gamma Emerald (1): Eiralox

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With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to secure an execution.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2023-11-16 10:02:20).

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Elements (4): KittyTacky, Bingle, Titus, Doctor Drew
Organized Khaos (4): Chell, Sleepy Dragon, Gamma Emerald, Naerys
Bingle (2): Elements, camelCasedSnivy
camelCasedSnivy (1):
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Eiralox (1): Organized Khaos
Gamma Emerald (1): Eiralox

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to secure an execution.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2023-11-16 10:02:20).
Chell/SD switching to scumpartner over me to disassemble my wagon doesn't make much sense to me, and GE/Naerys choosing the buddy over the supremely viable mislim that would be easy to let happen doesn't seem likely. Honestly, none of those four make sense bussing unless they were bussing to save me, and I'm pretty antipartnered with SD/Naerys tbh. OK seems like they'd have to be partnered with Drew/Titus and I'm just not really interested in that world atm. As for why OK scum doesn't hammer gob, that's pretty in line with frozen newbscum which is the narrative that leads to OK suspicion. If OK is scum it's probably with CCS/Titus/Drew (Me from an outside perspective)

Naerys - maybe cleared by setup?
camelCasedSnivy - Potential partners, everyone but Bingle. Actually weirdly, literally no pressure all game and no pressure on other slots, despite a lot of people expressing interest. Maybe antipartner with gob for GE wagon, but even that is weak as shit.

I think I want ccs here, because I don't think I see a team that doesn't include him and I'm vaguely interested to see what the night brings. It's also a little biased because I think ccs red flip hard clears me. I also think ccs may just be anti spewing here, only really giving an elusive scumread on me and not really making links to other players.

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Post Post #3273 (ISO) » Thu Nov 23, 2023 11:16 am

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In post 3271, Bingle wrote:
In post 3265, Chell wrote: There is something about my role that allows me to infer something about the setup but i don’t actually have the informed modifier
If you'd claimed informed I'd have said it was a scum claim. I'm roughly considering whether a massclaim is right here, because we don't have enough power yet for this to be balanced, but significantly more power than what is flipped is unlikely. If there is 0 more town power, Naerys is functionally mechcleared, but the balance of vanillacop/informed babysitter/IC vs goon/goon/informed is kind of low for town. I'd have preferred you didn't softclaim PR there, but it is what it is, I guess.
I think massclaim is tomorrow, regardless of flips tonight.
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Post Post #3274 (ISO) » Thu Nov 23, 2023 11:20 am

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