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[Gamma Emerald]

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[Black]

Thus why I'm asking about Naerys. Thoughts there?

I'm willing to explore that wagon. My vote on Thomith is pretty stale and I still don't really trust him but he's doing more than Naerys

VOTE: Naerys

[Black]

I don't think I can read that gamma wall tonight but I'll look into it tomorrow morning

[Hu Tao]

Kitties catch up was basically about me talking about the E-1 but that wasn't really my focus on my questions on the time. Not sure if she misunderstood or what

[Naerys]

What the heck

[Naerys]

I am not in the mood dealing with this tbh, these 24 hours has been pretty bad for me
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[Naerys]

I will just bite your head off later, Hu tao

[Klick]

Sorry, really rough evening/morning with the kids. Will be here tonight

[Testarossa]

VOTE: Naerys

[Testarossa]

Kitties post wasn't that exciting to me, it gave more the vibes Arko's first readlist had to me with being kind of vague on most people. I don't get in contrast to that this hard scumread on Gamma.

Gamma's case feels a bit oldschool and I also think she has some points. Her energy for doubling down on Kittie here feels townie imo.

You seem impossible to please atm. Despite openly admitting to faking your reaction, you still find an excuse to keep pushing me.

I don't get this though. Why would you bother to please her or what do you mean with it?

[Naerys]

VOTE: Naerys

Reasons? You are just jumping at me without any explanation. Put atleast some effort, will you?

[Testarossa]

Who said it 100% convinced me? I stated I could see it. Seems like it's being blown out of proportion for someone I'm not even voting

I mean you said you are sold on Black due to him and could have seen a Black/Gamma team. Maybe something is lost in translation for me here, but that sounds kind of convinced?

The point of interest was to me what you thought was believable from Arko's meta case, because I found it odd that you were asking if Black is known for getting defensive and going omgus if you were sold on the case, when Arko explicitly gave an example of Black being defensive and omgus-y as scum. (according to him) It looked a bit on the fence, although since you have clarified that you have prioritized Gamma back then, I can get that to a degree.

[Testarossa]

Reasons? You are just jumping at me without any explanation. Put atleast some effort, will you?

I think your reads come off as a bit inconsistent, I pointed that out in 133.

Also don't really have the feeling you are trying to figure people out, although this might be for irl reasons with you just being less around so far. Are you still on Black/Gamma?

[Thomith]

Good evening!

I just finished catching up, and there was a lot of things said with out a lot of things being said.

I am new I only have one game under my belt. And I don't have any day one reads on any one yet.

What do you think of Arko's read list? Do you agree?

I feel this is accurate for page 4.

These do not line up imo

Why don't you think they line up?

*SNIP*

Testarossa... That was a ballsy move, the e-1 on page one. Makes me think scum, paired with the fact that she didn't come back until post 78. I don't find the leaving of the vote to be indicative of anything tho, and I accept the reasoning on why it hasn't been moved.

Why do you think scum would make a ballsy move early? Would that not just bring a lot of attention to them?

You seem impossible to please atm. Despite openly admitting to faking your reaction, you still find an excuse to keep pushing me.

This seems a tad bit defensive...

Just sayin'

Do you think being defensive is indicative of alignment?

Spoiler: Gamma's Wall on Kittie

I feel like Kittie is playing a very textbook scum game here

Hellooooo everyone!

thought I would make an appearance today!

This feels extremely awkward, and common knowledge is that scum are more likely to be awkward at the start of the game.

I wanted to pop in again. I haven't had a chance to catch up. Migraine last night. I'll give everything a read this evening when I'm home and post my thoughts!

Another pop-in, this time making a promise of content. This feels quite self-conscious.

Good evening!

I just finished catching up, and there was a lot of things said with out a lot of things being said.

I am new I only have one game under my belt. And I don't have any day one reads on any one yet.

Claims to have finished catching up but shows absolutely zero work, and takes no stances whatsoever.

I'm posting on mobile please forgive my lack of formatting

GAMMA:
VOTE: kittiesecret
I don’t like the narration-esque manner of writing or the lack of any tangible content. Doesn’t feel like she actually gives a damn to solve.

Ouch! I do care to solve but nothing is going to be solved in the first 3 and a half pages.

THOMITH:
What do you think of Hu Tao's questioning of me?
What do you think of my responses to that questioning?

Honestly I'll need to go back and re read it. For more detail. But it felt like a lot of words to not say very much.

What do you think of how Black has been posting so far?

Black was scum in the one whole game I have played and totally flew under my under developed radar until much later in the game. So I can't help but have a bias in feeling she might be scum here. I feel like she is exhibiting some of the same game play here.

What do you think of Arko's read list? Do you agree?

I feel this is accurate for page 4.

TESTAROSSA:
Also happy bday Kittie, thanks for me being older than me and thus making feel myself younger.

thanks! I think...

What do you mean with a lot of things being said without being said?

Just lots of words no real meaning. But in my whole 1 game experience that seems par for the course. There isn't any substance to anything being said at this point. Anything could be read as scum or town at this point depending on the context you read it in.

HU TAO:
VOTE: gamma

Feels like pushing on a new person. They stated they were new, why not ask a specific question if you're worried she's not trying to solve?

Thanks

!

VOTE: Gamma

After being pressured, decides to go back to respond to posts. I’ll get into this with the next wall but this approach by Kittie is one I commonly see scum pull. I also think it’s a bad look that she voices assent to Arko’s early reads but fails to have one of her own on Arko? I think in that position I would have a townread on Arko as a newbie.

Good afternoon,

Popping into skim on my lunch break. I have no where to be this evening. I'll be back later with my thoughts to date.

And Thom, I'll answer your other questions then too.

Another self-conscious post promising content. This one is worse than the first imo since that one was at least posted when she had done absolutely nothing of substance.

ok here it is, I am sorry its long... expect more like this from me. and I apologize in advance for those as well. and its a little scattered. but I hope you get my point.


The whole first page caught me totally off guard going to a E-1 so quickly. I was like damn I just confirmed my role now were at E-1 WTF mang!

I don't think the back and forth about the E-1 on page 2 is indicative of any alliances, yet. as we move into the game we may be able to look back and gain some wisdom. but that's all I have to say about that.

Hey!

What do you think of Hu Tao's questioning of me?
What do you think of my responses to that questioning?

Apart from Hu Tao's gushing about the Scummies, she seemed to take issue you with you for no real reason. picking apart anything you had to say.

Why was it necessary to point out that we E-1 someone there when it was clear already? And the person unvoted immediately. Especially when it was a clear rvs wagon

Thom, was just saying what I feel a lot of us were thinking, we all just confirmed roles and now were here like damn. "pointing out" the obvious I don't think speaks to any thing other then a more wordy "Damn!" Yes we can all read what happened, but some times ya just gotta say something. and Thom went on to explain their selves.

what I think is unnecessary was how Hu Tao couldn't let it go. Everyone was moving on and Hu Tao was still posting paragraphs about it. forcing the issue.

THOMITH:
What do you think of Hu Tao's questioning of me?
What do you think of my responses to that questioning?

Honestly I'll need to go back and re read it. For more detail. But it felt like a lot of words to not say very much.

What I meant by this was everyone went round and round and round about the E1 issue and didn't go anywhere. the conversation didn't produce anything of note. but I wouldn't expect it to that early, as its still a bunch of people talking about essentially nothing.

(ok maybe I had some more too say about it *heh*)

In post 116, Naerys wrote:
Flat as in missing the desire to catch scum
I'm curious why you don't also feel this way about players like Kittie and ORAM

yea this seems off to me too... the accusation kind of came from no where with no basis...

Like, you seem dead-set on me being scum for…pushing a new player to provide better content??? And you additionally seem to be giving that new player a pass for what exactly???

Like, I’m not gonna play with kid gloves on, those were thrown in the wood chipper after my last off-site game. I am not gonna just let bad play snowball because a player is newer.

I feel like Hu Tao has taken on the pot stirring role. and I don't know how to read that yet.

I also don't expect kid gloves, my hurt was feigned. I was aware that I was behind the ball.

In post 85, Kittiesecret wrote:
Good evening!

I just finished catching up, and there was a lot of things said with out a lot of things being said.

I am new I only have one game under my belt. And I don't have any day one reads on any one yet.
In post 126, Kittiesecret wrote:
What do you think of Arko's read list? Do you agree?

I feel this is accurate for page 4.
These do not line up imo

how does this not line up???

At the time of making my post, there was little over 3 pages to read and most of that was Thom and Hu Tao going back and forth about the E-1.

Post #82 (isolation #2) » Tue Nov 21, 2023 10:02 pm

That was honestly slightly hard to make since well- 80 Posts plus the fact 3 people aren't really posting.

Arko even says it himself.


I can simultaneously feel like I don't have enough information to provide a read and feel like someone else read could be valid. and the read we're talking about here was vague at best, cuz again were working with only barely 4 pages of information.

AND black's interactions didn't feel very real when interacting with each other.

I don't love the idea of comparing to an older game, but in the (whole one) game I played with Scum-Black she didn't interact with her partner much at all.

Overall:

Arko... you really like your lists... that's all I've got to say.

Black... I'm just trying not to let my previous experience color my thoughts here. I see both similarities in play but also differences. I'm leaning more town, because Scum-Black would question and completely back off. Black here very much in the thick of it. but...I'll be watching.

Gamma... for as much as you call everyone else out for their posts, posting style or content you really haven't offered much up yourself. Almost hiding in plain sight... I feel like my vote will be staying here for the time being.

Hu Tao... I made my points above.

Klick.. came in hot, but seems alright for now, I don't know how to feel about that just at this moment.

Naerys... only like 8 posts and only 3 with some semblance of substance.. not a whole lot to go on (I know I know I'm one to talk)

Testarossa... That was a ballsy move, the e-1 on page one. Makes me think scum, paired with the fact that she didn't come back until post 78. I don't find the leaving of the vote to be indicative of anything tho, and I accept the reasoning on why it hasn't been moved.

Thomith... a very busy bee, feels town to me. *shrug*

My big problem with posting most of your content in this way is it smokescreens your play in two ways. First, you make yourself unavailable for live interaction which I think in the vast majority of scenarios is the mist important way of forming reads. The second problem is you cram your thoughts into large posts which makes them harder to process or engage with, which I think tends to have an effect of causing a short-circuit of anyone trying to parse the player that does it into going “big wall of content = town”.

You seem impossible to please atm. Despite openly admitting to faking your reaction, you still find an excuse to keep pushing me.

This seems a tad bit defensive...

Just sayin'

Useless shading.

VOTE: Kittiesecret
I genuinely think this is scum and y’all have just been bamboozled.

After reading this wall I did read back through Kittie's posts, and could potentially see where Gamma is coming from, specifically regarding Kittie potentially seeming self-concious to post content.
Specifically at the start of her wall post Kittie ended up saying this:

ok here it is, I am sorry its long... expect more like this from me. and I apologize in advance for those as well. and its a little scattered. but I hope you get my point.

This feels like something I used to do as Mafia, almost feels as if It's highlighting "Hey, look at the long content post I'm making".

Thoughts on naerys, everyone?

I dislike how 16 was never really elaborated on.
112 I thought originally seemed town motivated, while it doesn't go into huge detail, it explains at the least the first bits of her thought process.
It does seem as if Naerys sometimes is posting to seem like she is contributing, or at least be a presence (this and this come to mind), which does seem as if it could be indicative of her being Mafia. Finding it hard to get a strong read at the moment though to be honest.

[Black]

VOTE: Naerys

Reasons? You are just jumping at me without any explanation. Put atleast some effort, will you?

What is your read on Testa?

[Naerys]

Thus why I'm asking about Naerys. Thoughts there?

I'm willing to explore that wagon. My vote on Thomith is pretty stale and I still don't really trust him but he's doing more than Naerys

VOTE: Naerys

This post is so bad. Stale vote? Feels like you are well aware who is town and who isnt.You are trying to position yourself on a wagon that you feel like it has chance of going through.
Doing more than me? Yeah, that is right. I sometimes get moody and lessen my activity a bit. Not AI for me though.

[Black]

Thus why I'm asking about Naerys. Thoughts there?

I'm willing to explore that wagon. My vote on Thomith is pretty stale and I still don't really trust him but he's doing more than Naerys

VOTE: Naerys

This post is so bad. Stale vote? Feels like you are well aware who is town and who isnt.You are trying to position yourself on a wagon that you feel like it has chance of going through.
Doing more than me? Yeah, that is right. I sometimes get moody and lessen my activity a bit. Not AI for me though.

Stale meaning it has been there awhile. I still think Thomith could be scum. And yeah I think you could be scum too but I mainly want to put pressure on you to actually do stuff

[Thomith]

Thus why I'm asking about Naerys. Thoughts there?

I'm willing to explore that wagon. My vote on Thomith is pretty stale and I still don't really trust him but he's doing more than Naerys

VOTE: Naerys

This post is so bad. Stale vote? Feels like you are well aware who is town and who isnt.You are trying to position yourself on a wagon that you feel like it has chance of going through.
Doing more than me? Yeah, that is right. I sometimes get moody and lessen my activity a bit. Not AI for me though.

Stale meaning it has been there awhile. I still think Thomith could be scum. And yeah I think you could be scum too but I mainly want to put pressure on you to actually do stuff

Could I ask if that's still based on early game, or has your read changed at all? Have things I've done since made you think I'm more or less likely to be scum?

[Black]

I still would like to hear thoughts on Testa. Her ISO has some indicators that she's solving but it doesn't feel like anything scum couldn't come up with. Her posts have this agreeable tone that I would expect from scum that is trying to blend in while not making too many enemies. I'm not sure if she is the best fade today but I'm curious what other people think about her

[Black]

Thus why I'm asking about Naerys. Thoughts there?

I'm willing to explore that wagon. My vote on Thomith is pretty stale and I still don't really trust him but he's doing more than Naerys

VOTE: Naerys

This post is so bad. Stale vote? Feels like you are well aware who is town and who isnt.You are trying to position yourself on a wagon that you feel like it has chance of going through.
Doing more than me? Yeah, that is right. I sometimes get moody and lessen my activity a bit. Not AI for me though.

Stale meaning it has been there awhile. I still think Thomith could be scum. And yeah I think you could be scum too but I mainly want to put pressure on you to actually do stuff

Could I ask if that's still based on early game, or has your read changed at all? Have things I've done since made you think I'm more or less likely to be scum?

I have felt a little better about you as the game has progressed but I still can't shake the feeling that you might be scum

[Naerys]

Reasons? You are just jumping at me without any explanation. Put atleast some effort, will you?

I think your reads come off as a bit inconsistent, I pointed that out in 133.

Also don't really have the feeling you are trying to figure people out, although this might be for irl reasons with you just being less around so far. Are you still on Black/Gamma?

I am trying to figure out people. My D1 is usually bit weaker, but it gets better.
I am still on Black. I dont like her positioning upon me. She calls it "putting a pressure on me" but to me it feels like pure opportunism.
Gamma i am moving into null tier for now. I disagreed with her pushing Kittie, but in 224 Gamma made an interesting point:

you cram your thoughts into large posts which makes them harder to process or engage with, which I think tends to have an effect of causing a short-circuit of anyone trying to parse the player that does it into going “big wall of content = town”.

I find myself agreeing with this.

[Black]

I am still on Black. I dont like her positioning upon me. She calls it "putting a pressure on me" but to me it feels like pure opportunism.

Funny, that's exactly how I felt about your 112

You still never answered me when I asked you what the point of your pressure was

[Naerys]

VOTE: Naerys

Reasons? You are just jumping at me without any explanation. Put atleast some effort, will you?

What is your read on Testa?

That she is sorting interactions between people. Wouldnt mind some RL from her, but i dont think she is scum.

[Naerys]

You still never answered me when I asked you what the point of your pressure was

True. Some stuff happened and i wasnt really in the mood to answer you.
I wanted to see your reactions. To see if your posts will be still so flat as they felt to me.

[Black]

You still never answered me when I asked you what the point of your pressure was

True. Some stuff happened and i wasnt really in the mood to answer you.
I wanted to see your reactions. To see if your posts will be still so flat as they felt to me.

And you

still

don't think I'm trying to find scum? I'm curious what you think genuine scum hunting looks like