Mini Normal 2319: Flavorless Hell | Day 5

[Aliana]

i would be down with an umlaut wagon btw. i think i want to lim within dragon and umlaut today

Still down to vote Umlaut?

[Doctor Drew]

i would be down with an umlaut wagon btw. i think i want to lim within dragon and umlaut today

Still down to vote Umlaut?

Personally I will would prefer Dragon.

[T3]

Day 1 VC 5:

DragonEater70 (4 [E-2]): Doctor Drew, Altaria, geraintm, Hu Tao
Umlaut (2): ssbm_Kyouko, Aliana
Altaria (1): gob
Doctor Drew (1): Umlaut

Not voting (2): Celebloki, DragonEater70

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2023-11-29 15:16:00).

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to eliminate and 5 to no eliminate.

MOD NOTES:

[Altaria]

i would be down with an umlaut wagon btw. i think i want to lim within dragon and umlaut today

Still down to vote Umlaut?

i'm with drew...i would prefer dragon as well. it doesn't help that kyouko is on the umlaut wagon and i have a gut feeling she could be a dragon partner

[gob]

VOTE: DragonEater70

[gob]

I am pretty nai on Umlaut. Dragoneater I feel over explains themselves too much. Which is a sign of mafia.

ACTUALLY WITH THIS SAID

UNVOTE: Dragoneater[/unote]

We should actually keep Dragon Eater alive and instead vote someone else. DragonEater can be shot at night or something.
But generally it's bad practice to vote off the obv-wolf Day 1, since it makes the other ones harder to catch.

[gob]

yeesh thats embarrassing.

UNVOTE: DragonEater

[Doctor Drew]

I am pretty nai on Umlaut. Dragoneater I feel over explains themselves too much. Which is a sign of mafia.

ACTUALLY WITH THIS SAID

UNVOTE: Dragoneater[/unote]

We should actually keep Dragon Eater alive and instead vote someone else. DragonEater can be shot at night or something.
But generally it's bad practice to vote off the obv-wolf Day 1, since it makes the other ones harder to catch.

Are you literally saying that voting scum on D1 is a bad town strat??

[Umlaut]

I think we need a flip. This game seems ro be the same conversation in different ways to me.

It looks to me like plenty is happening. What's the hurry?

Also, why don't you think a Drew flip is possible when like half the game has scumread/voted him at some point?

[Umlaut]

I am pretty nai on Umlaut. Dragoneater I feel over explains themselves too much. Which is a sign of mafia.

ACTUALLY WITH THIS SAID

UNVOTE: Dragoneater[/unote]

We should actually keep Dragon Eater alive and instead vote someone else. DragonEater can be shot at night or something.
But generally it's bad practice to vote off the obv-wolf Day 1, since it makes the other ones harder to catch.

Are you literally saying that voting scum on D1 is a bad town strat??

^ what this guy said.

[Hu Tao]

I think we need a flip. This game seems ro be the same conversation in different ways to me.

It looks to me like plenty is happening. What's the hurry?

Also, why don't you think a Drew flip is possible when like half the game has scumread/voted him at some point?

Sus post by you. Just because others scumread him, doesn't mean I have to be inclined to feel the same

[Umlaut]

Sigh, I got my wires crossed and thought 372 was you and not Kyouko.

So my question is actually for

@Kyouko

, why don't you think Drew is a possibility today? I know I'm the only one voting him right this second but he had a pretty sizeable wagon going, why not push for what you want with three days still on the clock?

[Umlaut]

@Kyouko

Also interested in your read on Dragon, looking through your ISO I see some commentary on other people's votes there but not much on Dragon himself.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Sigh, I got my wires crossed and thought 372 was you and not Kyouko.

So my question is actually for

@Kyouko

, why don't you think Drew is a possibility today? I know I'm the only one voting him right this second but he had a pretty sizeable wagon going, why not push for what you want with three days still on the clock?

Well I've made my case on Drew and while it was convincing for some (you, maybe one other), I seem to recall other people acknowledging it and disagreeing with the conclusion, calling it more NAI than scum-indicative. Drew's wagon reached an apex of 4 (e-2) and when geraintm voted Dragon, bringing the wagons to a tie, I think is where the momentum stopped. I think if geraintm had voted the largest wagon on Drew and E-1ed him this day might have gone differently. Maybe that wasn't accidental by geraintm. Then we got an unvote from Dragon and the wagon at that point I think was definitely dead when it lost the vote from the player it was counter to. It doesn't help to have Celebloki not contributing at this point, but iirc one of the few things he did comment on is that he gets deja vu vibes from Drew vs Dragon from when Drew was Town and Dragon was scum. So at one point 8/10 players were voting for one of Drew/Dragon and people seemed firmly in one camp or the other. One of the two not voting those 2 was leaning more toward Dragon if push came to shove I think. So yeah, I don't think Drew is happening toDay.

I'm not pushing more for it now because I would just be repeating the same arguments that I've already made and I'm pretty sure everyone has read them and that's how we got the wagons to 4-4 in the first place. I don't think continuing to push Drew toDay will result in his flip so I'll focus my efforts elsewhere for toDay and we will have associatives to work with toMorrow.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

@Kyouko

Also interested in your read on Dragon, looking through your ISO I see some commentary on other people's votes there but not much on Dragon himself.

As for Dragon, nothing has pinged me so far and he is one of the more active posters (but it's not shitposting). I think he is probably town simply because he has been active and engaged, and if he is scum it is difficult to maintain that level of activity and engagement without getting caught.

I haven't looked into why people are voting for Dragon yet, as I've been more focused on Drew, but I know nobody has posted anything about Dragon that was persuasive enough to catch my eye while I have been playing from my phone.

[Doctor Drew]

@Kyouko

Also interested in your read on Dragon, looking through your ISO I see some commentary on other people's votes there but not much on Dragon himself.

As for Dragon, nothing has pinged me so far and he is one of the more active posters (but it's not shitposting). I think he is probably town simply because he has been active and engaged, and if he is scum it is difficult to maintain that level of activity and engagement without getting caught.

I haven't looked into why people are voting for Dragon yet, as I've been more focused on Drew, but I know nobody has posted anything about Dragon that was persuasive enough to catch my eye while I have been playing from my phone.

Well thanks for the subtle shade on me.

Why is someone town because they are active and engaged, and why is someone not town for shit posting?

[gob]

I am pretty nai on Umlaut. Dragoneater I feel over explains themselves too much. Which is a sign of mafia.

ACTUALLY WITH THIS SAID

UNVOTE: Dragoneater[/unote]

We should actually keep Dragon Eater alive and instead vote someone else. DragonEater can be shot at night or something.
But generally it's bad practice to vote off the obv-wolf Day 1, since it makes the other ones harder to catch.

Are you literally saying that voting scum on D1 is a bad town strat??

It depends on the setup, generally. The idea is that if you keep obv!maf alive to spew the other and anti-spew others.

[gob]

Sigh, I got my wires crossed and thought 372 was you and not Kyouko.

So my question is actually for

@Kyouko

, why don't you think Drew is a possibility today? I know I'm the only one voting him right this second but he had a pretty sizeable wagon going, why not push for what you want with three days still on the clock?

Well I've made my case on Drew and while it was convincing for some (you, maybe one other), I seem to recall other people acknowledging it and disagreeing with the conclusion, calling it more NAI than scum-indicative. Drew's wagon reached an apex of 4 (e-2) and when geraintm voted Dragon, bringing the wagons to a tie, I think is where the momentum stopped. I think if geraintm had voted the largest wagon on Drew and E-1ed him this day might have gone differently. Maybe that wasn't accidental by geraintm. Then we got an unvote from Dragon and the wagon at that point I think was definitely dead when it lost the vote from the player it was counter to. It doesn't help to have Celebloki not contributing at this point, but iirc one of the few things he did comment on is that he gets deja vu vibes from Drew vs Dragon from when Drew was Town and Dragon was scum. So at one point 8/10 players were voting for one of Drew/Dragon and people seemed firmly in one camp or the other. One of the two not voting those 2 was leaning more toward Dragon if push came to shove I think. So yeah, I don't think Drew is happening toDay.

I'm not pushing more for it now because I would just be repeating the same arguments that I've already made and I'm pretty sure everyone has read them and that's how we got the wagons to 4-4 in the first place. I don't think continuing to push Drew toDay will result in his flip so I'll focus my efforts elsewhere for toDay and we will have associatives to work with toMorrow.

3 sentences or less my friend.

[Doctor Drew]

I am pretty nai on Umlaut. Dragoneater I feel over explains themselves too much. Which is a sign of mafia.

ACTUALLY WITH THIS SAID

UNVOTE: Dragoneater[/unote]

We should actually keep Dragon Eater alive and instead vote someone else. DragonEater can be shot at night or something.
But generally it's bad practice to vote off the obv-wolf Day 1, since it makes the other ones harder to catch.

Are you literally saying that voting scum on D1 is a bad town strat??

It depends on the setup, generally. The idea is that if you keep obv!maf alive to spew the other and anti-spew others.

I will disagree with this 100 times out of 100.

[Aliana]

I am pretty nai on Umlaut. Dragoneater I feel over explains themselves too much. Which is a sign of mafia.

ACTUALLY WITH THIS SAID

UNVOTE: Dragoneater[/unote]

We should actually keep Dragon Eater alive and instead vote someone else. DragonEater can be shot at night or something.
But generally it's bad practice to vote off the obv-wolf Day 1, since it makes the other ones harder to catch.

Are you literally saying that voting scum on D1 is a bad town strat??

It depends on the setup, generally. The idea is that if you keep obv!maf alive to spew the other and anti-spew others.

It also gives the obv!maf time to town it up and weasel their way out of the suspicions.

[Aliana]

I don't think anyone is obv!maf though.

[Altaria]

I am pretty nai on Umlaut. Dragoneater I feel over explains themselves too much. Which is a sign of mafia.

ACTUALLY WITH THIS SAID

UNVOTE: Dragoneater[/unote]

We should actually keep Dragon Eater alive and instead vote someone else. DragonEater can be shot at night or something.
But generally it's bad practice to vote off the obv-wolf Day 1, since it makes the other ones harder to catch.

Are you literally saying that voting scum on D1 is a bad town strat??

It depends on the setup, generally. The idea is that if you keep obv!maf alive to spew the other and anti-spew others.

why do you think dragon is obvious scum from your pov

[Hu Tao]

I'm also starting to get sus of Gob but I'm not sure why.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

@Kyouko

Also interested in your read on Dragon, looking through your ISO I see some commentary on other people's votes there but not much on Dragon himself.

As for Dragon, nothing has pinged me so far and he is one of the more active posters (but it's not shitposting). I think he is probably town simply because he has been active and engaged, and if he is scum it is difficult to maintain that level of activity and engagement without getting caught.

I haven't looked into why people are voting for Dragon yet, as I've been more focused on Drew, but I know nobody has posted anything about Dragon that was persuasive enough to catch my eye while I have been playing from my phone.

Well thanks for the subtle shade on me.

Why is someone town because they are active and engaged, and why is someone not town for shit posting?

I didn't say either of those things, you are inferring a different meaning. Being active and engaged is

more likely

to come from town than scum in my experience. It is also my experience that scum can replicate this, but to do so consistently throughout a game is something that only the best scum players can do. Because of this, I choose not to push for D1 eliminations of players that are active but to me still feel nullish.

I mentioned shitposting because I was specifying that activity without content (shitposting) is not the type of activity of a nullish player that I will give a D1 pass to.

[Altaria]

I'm also starting to get sus of Gob but I'm not sure why.

same but my read is based on the game of his i was reading the other day. he was scum with gamma and tried to act like he was ok limming them but he kept saying LAMIST stuff like "let's not hammer early" and "i think it's best we wait". i think if dragon flips scum then that could implicate gob somewhat but its not a sure thing