Micro Normal 1094 | Game Over!

[Alianna]

VC 1.09

Votecount 1.09

Black (2):

Naerys, Arko

Kittiesecret (2):

Gamma Emerald, Thomith

Enchant (2):

Black, Hu Tao

Naerys (1):

Testarossa

Gamma Emerald (1):

Kittiesecret

Hu Tao (1):

Enchant

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 votes to secure an elimination.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2023-11-30 17:17:13).

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[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma what is your read on the ORAM/Klick/Enchant slot? I don't think you've mentioned them or interacted with them once

That’s kinda a blind spot, if a wagon happened there I probably wouldn’t mind

[Hu Tao]

Kittiesecret - could be scum
Arko - leaning town, like the reads posts
Naerys - could be scum
Gamma Emerald - null maybe leaning town. Idk
Testarossa - maybe scum?
Black - prob town
Thomith - null
Enchant - no clue how to read
Klick - maybe scum, never explained scumread on me

Rough idea of how I'm feeling at the moment

Enchant replaced klick FYI

Oh LOL then I'm definitely fine voting Enchant

VOTE: Enchant

Not sure of the vote count

Did you think there were 10 players suddenly? Where did your list come from? Based on the ordering it looks like the player list from the first post but if that's the case then I'm not sure how you could have missed that Enchant replaced Klick

Idk why you want to vote out Thomith when I think I’ve felt good about that slot so far

It's hard to explain but I get this gut feeling about certain people and sometimes I can't shake it. It happened in the last game I played with Crescent. They were doing all the townie things you would expect and no one really seemed to scumread them except me, and I ended up being right about them. I'll admit it's not a strong read and probably not worthy of fading him but I wouldn't be opposed going there

@Thomith if you're town then I know how frustrating this type of read can be. You've been cooperative and helpful and I still can't shake my gut feeling. I will say you have managed to keep your cool despite me having this feeling. I'm not really sure how to read that tbh. Most townies get frustrated or mad at me when my gut is wrong about them but maybe you're just level-headed

First page. When I copy and pasted it didn't have a line through Klick and enchant. You can probably try now and see

[Hu Tao]

VC 1.09

Votecount 1.09

Black (2):

Naerys, Arko

Kittiesecret (2):

Gamma Emerald, Thomith

Enchant (2):

Black, Hu Tao

Naerys (1):

Testarossa

Gamma Emerald (1):

Kittiesecret

Hu Tao (1):

Enchant

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 votes to secure an elimination.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2023-11-30 17:17:13).

Mod notes:

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Game is more divided than I thought

[Black]

First page. When I copy and pasted it didn't have a line through Klick and enchant. You can probably try now and see

Uhh, no offense but this pretty clearly seems like a lie. The first post was last edited 10 hours ago when Enchant replaced in. The lines have been there since then

_{Last edited by Alianna on Sat Nov 25, 2023 3:32 pm, edited 9 times in total.}

[Hu Tao]

? Literally just copy and paste and look what it shows. At least on mobile

[Hu Tao]

Hu Tao
Kittiesecret
Arko
Naerys
Gamma Emerald
Testarossa
Black
Thomith
Enchant
Klick

ORAM


This is how it shows when I do paste. I deleted ORAM cause of the space and my name.

[Black]

Oh you're right. I'm sorry

[Black]

I thought you meant the lines weren't in the post but I misunderstood

Sleepy time for me

[Hu Tao]

Goodnight~

[Thomith]

Having read thom's recent posts I realized I have forgotten most of his stances since his reaction test and and went through his iso. I townread him for his dedication earlier, but also kind of think he lost his thunder since then. I think my problem here is that he comes across as a bit self-conscious going by how he seems to focus on other peoples reads on him, at least if they seem to suspect him. His Arko push looked alright on the surface, but failed imo to deliver explaining why Arko being contradicting about his Thom/Black thesis is actually scummy. ( even although it turned out just to be a typo)
Can you actually explain why you thought what was scum-indicative from Arko?

I don't think I've lost my thunder - while I'm not posting as actively as I have been (I have an assignment coming up, and am moving extremely soon), I'm still keeping up with the game, and attempting to still be commenting on as much as possible, even if it hasn't been in real time.

I question reads on myself to either a) Respond to any confusion, or defend myself if I am able to. from my perspective I know I am a mislim, so if somebody is suspecting me I need to convince them that they are wrong to avoid either being tunneled, or otherwise incorrectly suspected. b) Try and see the motivations behind the suspicion. Again I know that any suspicion on me is incorrect, so I find it useful to try and understand the reasoning for somebody suspecting me incorrectly, to try and figure out if this is just town being wrong, or scum trying to push a mislim on me.

The reason I went so hard on the contradiction because while contradictions aren't always inherently scummy, the intentions behind them definitely can be. From my perspective, there was a chance that Arko was wording things in a way that could mean he could push for either mine/blacks elimination, and potentially pivot what he "meant" the message to say depending on what wagon seemed to be gaining ground.

This is an example and I know now that this isn't what he meant, but let's say he was pushing the argument that Black flipping scum meant that I also was likely scum, however the Black wagon was not gaining enough speed, or people were looking at wagoning me instead, because of the contradiction, he could pivot onto me, and because the contradiction may have made the meaning of the post more ambiguous, he could have feasibly tried to claim that me flipping would give more information on Blacks alignment instead.
Depending on how he explained the contradiction, it felt as if he may have been trying to keep his options open on myself or Black, which read to me as potentially being opportunistic scum - again the fact that this was a typo cleared up the situation, hence why I unvoted.

It is noted that you seem to have started questioning me pretty much immediately after Black said she would not be opposed to my elimination today though.

*SNIP*

It's hard to explain but I get this gut feeling about certain people and sometimes I can't shake it. It happened in the last game I played with Crescent. They were doing all the townie things you would expect and no one really seemed to scumread them except me, and I ended up being right about them. I'll admit it's not a strong read and probably not worthy of fading him but I wouldn't be opposed going there

@Thomith if you're town then I know how frustrating this type of read can be. You've been cooperative and helpful and I still can't shake my gut feeling. I will say you have managed to keep your cool despite me having this feeling. I'm not really sure how to read that tbh. Most townies get frustrated or mad at me when my gut is wrong about them but maybe you're just level-headed

Honestly, if this were happening to me back in like 2013, I probably would be getting frustrated/angry right now (honestly, reading back some of my games from 10 years ago make me cringe now...), but I don't know how to try and change your mind if it's a gut read, because I feel like nothing I will say will realistically change your mind completely, so getting frustrated with you over it feels like a distraction and waste of time, where I think that energy would be better suited to trying to prove you wrong through my actions in the game if I can.

I questioned if your read on me had changed at all, to see if there was anything I could potentially answer for you to clear things up, but when it became apparent that it was mostly a gut feeling, I dropped it.

At the end of the day this is also a game, I'm here to have fun, not get mad over things.

[Enchant]

Weebs conspire to remove me from game.

[Enchant]

Also Arko mafia

[Gamma Emerald]

@Mod: Kittie hasn’t posted in over 48 hours

[Black]

Also Arko mafia

Why

[DragonEater70]

Prodding Kittiesecret.

[Black]

I'm willing to consider my gut read on Thomith is just wrong. Almost everyone else seems to townread him (including my top townreads) so I will outsource my read there for now

I still want Enchant, and to a lesser extent Testa

[Enchant]

Also Arko mafia

Why

Why not

[Black]

Also Arko mafia

Why

Why not

Ok gob

[Black]

Even if Enchant is town here he's not going to play like a townie. Can we please fade this dude?

[Enchant]

Stop or i will start ATE

[Kittiesecret]

You seem impossible to please atm. Despite openly admitting to faking your reaction, you still find an excuse to keep pushing me.

This seems a tad bit defensive...

Just sayin'

Okay and?

its not making me change my mind on you.

I feel like Kittie is playing a very textbook scum game here
In post 33, Kittiesecret wrote:
Hellooooo everyone!

thought I would make an appearance today!
This feels extremely awkward, and common knowledge is that scum are more likely to be awkward at the start of the game.
In post 73, Kittiesecret wrote:
I wanted to pop in again. I haven't had a chance to catch up. Migraine last night. I'll give everything a read this evening when I'm home and post my thoughts!
Another pop-in, this time making a promise of content. This feels quite self-conscious.
In post 85, Kittiesecret wrote:
Good evening!

I just finished catching up, and there was a lot of things said with out a lot of things being said.

I am new I only have one game under my belt. And I don't have any day one reads on any one yet.
Claims to have finished catching up but shows absolutely zero work, and takes no stances whatsoever.

I dont need to defend my game play. tis just the way i play.

and yes I didn't have a solid read, and I gave an explanation. In all seriousness you seem to be the one who's impossible to please.

push me for a post with thoughts so I give you one and you shit all over it saying its not good enough. and get overtly defensive when called out...

Why do you think scum would make a ballsy move early? Would that not just bring a lot of attention to them?

like a hiding in plain sight thing. no one believe scum would ACTUALLY draw that much attention to themselves that early.

I may be over thinking but just seemed outta place.

[Black]

its not making me change my mind on you

Being defensive isn't exclusively a scum trait

I think Gamma is town. Could I interest you in an Enchant vote?

[Thomith]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Enchant

[Thomith]

E-2 by the way.