Mini Normal 2319: Flavorless Hell | Day 5

[Aliana]

Halfway to 1000!

[Doctor Drew]

I will only defend Hu since this jump seems so so suss, and now you are just getting super defensive and acting like I am the one being obtuse here, instead of understanding what my issue is that I keep saying.

i thought you weren't calling me scum here? now it's "so so suss"?

also super defensive? what the heck...

You lashed out at me with some shade saying I was being snarky and so hard to talk to, that is classic defensive behavior.

And I am still not calling you scum, but as I said earlier, you will expose yourself if you are.

for the last time. it was the wagon gaining so much traction that made me think it could be a mislim. when i wrote 444 that was the moment i thought it could be hu, not 20 posts before that

i have no clue why you can't seem to grasp this

Listen I have suspicions you are exposing yourself as scum, just to be fully honest.

But, we seem to also have a massive communication issue here, and I honestly don't want you make you all angry to a point where you rage quit the game here.

So let's take a step back here.

I don't believe Hu is scum, I am not gonna call that a strong read since she really scares me and I can't read her well.......so I wouldn't argue with you calling her scum, per se.

It is just the timing of how it all went down here really screams to me that you didn't think the Gob wagon would move so quickly so you panicked to get another wagon going, and how you didn't start the wagon on Umlaut, and instead followed him onto Hu, while throwing a bit of shade onto Aliana who put Gob at e-1.

Okay, Drew is officially the towniest town that has ever towned. The towniness is just radiating off of these posts.
I suppose I could try to explain it if requested, but it is not something that is easily explainable imo.
God, I hope I'm not getting fooled again.

I never would betray your trust again

[Aliana]

If you flip scum, I will flip a table.

[Doctor Drew]

If you flip scum, I will flip a table.

I hope you have an extra table available....

I mean, totally nothing to worry about

[Hu Tao]

How do we go from signalling Gob to claim, to flash wagon in Hu?

This seems off.

It is indeed very interesting

[Hu Tao]

Day 1 VC 6:

DragonEater70 (5 [E-1]): Doctor Drew, Altaria, geraintm, Hu Tao, Celebloki
Umlaut (2): ssbm_Kyouko, Aliana
Doctor Drew (1): Umlaut
gob (1): DragonEater70

Not voting (1): gob

Gonna follow this up with some intermediary VCs cuz something feels fishy about what I just read

Dragon claims in 431. Altaria swaps to gob in 432. Next Celebloki swaps in 436 after Altaria and Dragon both say they're okay with either gob or umlaut.
Next Hu Tao and then Alianna vote gob in 440 and 441 (ali says this is E-1), then in 442 Drew intents to hammer. 440 and 442 are 19 minutes apart
Umlaut at 445 voices he is not going to vote gob

intermediate VC as of 445

DragonEater70 (2): Doctor Drew, geraintm
Umlaut (1): ssbm_Kyouko
Doctor Drew (1): Umlaut
gob (5 [E-1]): DragonEater70, Altaria, celebloki, Hu Tao, Aliana

Not voting (1): gob

When Umlaut moves for Hu Tao instead of gob in 446, Altaria quickly follows Umlaut's reasoning to Hu Tao but previously was saying she was okay with Umlaut/gob. The move to Hu Tao seems inconsistent with Altaria's play so far. Then Drew says the first thing he's said all game that has really townpinged me in 449

current votes

DragonEater70 (2): Doctor Drew, geraintm
Umlaut (1): ssbm_Kyouko
Hu Tao (2): Umlaut, Altaria
gob (4): DragonEater70, celebloki, Hu Tao, Aliana

Not voting (1): gob

Hu tao, Celebloki, and Altaria were on both Dragon's and gob's E-1 wagons, feels like Altaria is not treating everyone equally here since she's now sheeping her previous POE'd lim on Hu Tao while also "liking" Celebloki (this is an older read but I dont see how Celebloki is any different than Hu Tao here, or from me, gob, or Alianna for that matter. We all want a lim that is not one of the people we think is town and as we approach deadline people are getting more aggressive with their votes. Even Altaria is doing this, so pushing Hu Tao for it is not a good look imo)

VOTE: Altaria

I agree with this analysis

[Hu Tao]

how am i sheeping umlaut when i expressed suspicion there before he even voted?

i'll admit i considered not going there because i'm still somewhat suspicious of umlaut but i think the way hu tao has tagged along on both the dragon and gob wagons outweighs those worries about umlaut

i'm a little wary of you and aliana but y'all are both putting in more effort than hu tao. i think celebloki and drew are town, and i know i'm town, so i'm not sure why you think it's a bad look for me to push hu tao here

So I'm scum because I'm not putting enough effort in for your liking?

[Hu Tao]

Aliana, but I am not even calling Altaria scum here.

Did you think I was?

Lol, maybe I don't get what you were saying.
I thought you were implying Altaria was jumping on a counterwagon to save her buddy gob.

I want to understand why not gob over Hu.

If she is scum then will just expose herself.

how? she is barely playing the game. why do you think she will expose herself but gob won't?

I meant you will expose yourself as scum.

Was talking to Aliana about my read on you if that wasn't clear.

ok

why do you townread hu tao?

You missing everything I am saying if you ask me this question.

Agreed. I thought your explanation was clear, drew

[Altaria]

how am i sheeping umlaut when i expressed suspicion there before he even voted?

i'll admit i considered not going there because i'm still somewhat suspicious of umlaut but i think the way hu tao has tagged along on both the dragon and gob wagons outweighs those worries about umlaut

i'm a little wary of you and aliana but y'all are both putting in more effort than hu tao. i think celebloki and drew are town, and i know i'm town, so i'm not sure why you think it's a bad look for me to push hu tao here

So I'm scum because I'm not putting enough effort in for your liking?

that's certainly one way to phrase it

i think you could be scum because you're not really doing much solving, you want to end the day for a reason i don't think makes much sense, and you're just jumping from wagon to wagon without much reasoning

[Hu Tao]

Locking Drew as town, I think his posts make so much sense.

[Hu Tao]

how am i sheeping umlaut when i expressed suspicion there before he even voted?

i'll admit i considered not going there because i'm still somewhat suspicious of umlaut but i think the way hu tao has tagged along on both the dragon and gob wagons outweighs those worries about umlaut

i'm a little wary of you and aliana but y'all are both putting in more effort than hu tao. i think celebloki and drew are town, and i know i'm town, so i'm not sure why you think it's a bad look for me to push hu tao here

So I'm scum because I'm not putting enough effort in for your liking?

that's certainly one way to phrase it

i think you could be scum because you're not really doing much solving, you want to end the day for a reason i don't think makes much sense, and you're just jumping from wagon to wagon without much reasoning

I started the gob quick wagon. So if I'm scum are you saying I'm saving my scum teammate dragon after making him claim? Or are you saying I'm scum who wanted to remove pressure off one town to another?

[Hu Tao]

I'm apparently still alive

Should I claim?

If you want

I'm apparently still alive

Should I claim?

you could wait until intent to hammer if you want but it's up to you

I'm also fine with a gob flash wagon

any crumbs?

VOTE: gob

You literally followed my lead, then complained about it after.

Altaria could be scum, maybe I was right before.

[Altaria]

yeah drew is probably town, but it was pretty frustrating having to repeat myself about why i pushed you when i did, only to be met with "i don't understand the timing" over and over again

[Hu Tao]

I think his question was very clear, it seemed more like you not answering and trying to flip it as something else

[Altaria]

how am i sheeping umlaut when i expressed suspicion there before he even voted?

i'll admit i considered not going there because i'm still somewhat suspicious of umlaut but i think the way hu tao has tagged along on both the dragon and gob wagons outweighs those worries about umlaut

i'm a little wary of you and aliana but y'all are both putting in more effort than hu tao. i think celebloki and drew are town, and i know i'm town, so i'm not sure why you think it's a bad look for me to push hu tao here

So I'm scum because I'm not putting enough effort in for your liking?

that's certainly one way to phrase it

i think you could be scum because you're not really doing much solving, you want to end the day for a reason i don't think makes much sense, and you're just jumping from wagon to wagon without much reasoning

I started the gob quick wagon. So if I'm scum are you saying I'm saving my scum teammate dragon after making him claim? Or are you saying I'm scum who wanted to remove pressure off one town to another?

the latter. why are you making it sound unlikely that scum would push another townie after the first person they pushed claimed?

I'm apparently still alive

Should I claim?

If you want

I'm apparently still alive

Should I claim?

you could wait until intent to hammer if you want but it's up to you

I'm also fine with a gob flash wagon

any crumbs?

VOTE: gob

You literally followed my lead, then complained about it after.

Altaria could be scum, maybe I was right before.

that's a pretty disingenuous representation of my read

[Altaria]

I think his question was very clear, it seemed more like you not answering and trying to flip it as something else

how so?

[Altaria]

I'm apparently still alive

Should I claim?

If you want

I'm apparently still alive

Should I claim?

you could wait until intent to hammer if you want but it's up to you

I'm also fine with a gob flash wagon

any crumbs?

VOTE: gob

You literally followed my lead, then complained about it after.

Altaria could be scum, maybe I was right before.

can you elaborate on this read? unless you think i'm partnered with gob i don't understand why this would make you think i'm scum again

[geraintm]

VOTE: gob
Seems fine

[Altaria]

cool hammer

[gob]

cool hammer

Seriously?

Damn man i didnt even have time to post.

[T3]

Day 1 VC 7:

gob (6 [HAMMERED]): DragonEater70, Celebloki, Hu Tao, Aliana, Altaria, geraintm

DragonEater70 (1): Doctor Drew
Hu Tao (1): Umlaut
Altaria (1): ssbm_Kyouko

Not voting (1): gob

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2023-11-29 15:16:00).

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to eliminate and 5 to no eliminate.

MOD NOTES:

[T3]

gob was eliminated. He was a

Mafia Goon.

Night 1 starts now and ends in (expired on 2023-11-29 13:26:00).

[T3]

No one died Night 1.

[T3]

Day 3 VC 1:

Not voting (8): DragonEater70, Celebloki, geraintm, ssbm_Kyouko, Doctor Drew, Altaria, Hu Tao, Aliana

Day 2 will end in (expired on 2023-12-15 21:13:00). With 8 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate and 4 to no eliminate.

MOD NOTES:

[Altaria]

POG