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[Elements]

Bloop

[Naerys]

I belive Dunn and ssbm's claim. Unless the small chance they are scum together or scum informed of miller's in this game. Either way, I wouldn't want them today at the very least. If there are actual millers, there is likely a way to confirm that somehow regardless.

Millers kinda feel as LHF to me for now.

[Keyleth]

I'm not sure. Dunn's claim felt like a joke with it being the first post of the game. Kyouko's feels more real but I'm not familiar enough with her to tell if it's coming from scum

I feel Duun's claim is genuine, millers often claim miller in their opening posts. Duun's miller claim feels straight up, unlikely that mafia plays this directly. Kyouko feels real/potentially opportunistic, shielding herself behind the initial miller claim if she is mafia

VOTE: ssbm_Kyouko

I understand your thought process. We should probably give them a chance though. At least, I would feel bad voting them out based off that one post when it could be more than one miller. Can't say I personally played with those often so the idea is neat!

[Naerys]

Gamma and Black probably town

Gamma has done what so far?

Why not the same amount of puzzlement at both?

+ townie point

[Dunnstral]

I belive Dunn and ssbm's claim. Unless the small chance they are scum together or scum informed of miller's in this game. Either way, I wouldn't want them today at the very least. If there are actual millers, there is likely a way to confirm that somehow regardless.

What would I need to be informed about to claim miller as mafia?

[Keyleth]

Gamma and Black probably town

Gamma has done what so far?

Why not the same amount of puzzlement at both?

I like this
You can be town too, for now

Oh I had the opposite reaction to the Dave post how interesting!

That is fun
What are you thinking
Easy way for scum to look like they're doing something?

Well, I wouldn't be that harsh over it I just was curious if dave is the type of person to really dig into a causal question like that early. Maybe he's smarter than me but I wouldn't have ever thought to go that angle.

[davesaz]

Bloop

VOTE: Elements

Care to elaborate?

It's a so-far-unsuccessful attempt at behavior modification via negative stimulus.

[Elements]

Bloop

VOTE: Elements

Care to elaborate?

It's a so-far-unsuccessful attempt at behavior modification via negative stimulus.

[davesaz]

Well, I wouldn't be that harsh over it I just was curious if dave is the type of person to really dig into a causal question like that early.

In short, yes it's something I do often. There are multiple levels to the question, and asking it that way might reveal whether there is unconscious bias to focus on (or not focus on) different people.

[Naerys]

For now my first impressions are that dave and both millers could be town.
Still too far from finding a scum, but its a start.

[Keyleth]

Well, I wouldn't be that harsh over it I just was curious if dave is the type of person to really dig into a causal question like that early.

In short, yes it's something I do often. There are multiple levels to the question, and asking it that way might reveal whether there is unconscious bias to focus on (or not focus on) different people.

I see! I'll let you get back to it then and do your wing chicken wing! Elements posting is a bit much but it's clear she's enjoying herself so I see no harm in it.

[Dunnstral]

VT

I understand why people claim miller early on, but why throw out a VT claim on page 1? I'm coming to this site mostly from a background where claiming was against the rules, so I would love to hear how claiming this helps the town.

So scum will not target me and I can last till end game. I believe in myself to find scum as long as I'm alive long enough. Now I just need to be towny enough to not be voted out. I've eliminated half of the work.

I think Hu Tao was just joking with the VT claim

Nope. I'm VT

This is nonsense

[davesaz]

I'm too late to be the first one to bring up that questioning Elements over apparently getting Dunn and me confused seems pretty nit picky. To me jumping on a "slip" is scum more often than town. Not enough to make a read from but worth remembering.

[KawaiiKame]

I'm too late to be the first one to bring up that questioning Elements over apparently getting Dunn and me confused seems pretty nit picky. To me jumping on a "slip" is scum more often than town. Not enough to make a read from but worth remembering.

Who jumped in on this "slip"?

[KawaiiKame]

Elements feels way too scattershot to be mafia, her confusion feels like lost town. The explanations to Kyouko's questions make sense, I see why Elements was thinking the way she did

Kyouko's initial defense of why she claimed Miller combined with her questioning Elements feels inquisitive town to me. What she asks feels like genuine curiosity of who Elements townreads and why,

Specifically what I'm trying to comprehend is who did you townread in 39, so I can look back at that player and figure out why you were TRing them at that point. If I cant figure that out I plan to come back to you about it. And if it was Dunnstral you TRed in 39, I'm wondering how you got from TR in 39 to voting him for miller claim in 40

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Not on you necessarily, but interestingly enough it's piqued my scumdar on Gamma. I guess what it does for you is confirms you're still in your NAI range fmpov.

Need more time to think on this though, I'm rushing to phone post. Bbl.

How exactly?

I feel like you like to be "around" but not "driving" when you're scum, not that you often "drive" as town either, but when Dunnstral and you started pressing on Elements about 39 and 40 it felt like that - that is to say, being "around" without "driving". It's a vibe at this point.

[KawaiiKame]

Not on you necessarily, but interestingly enough it's piqued my scumdar on Gamma. I guess what it does for you is confirms you're still in your NAI range fmpov.

Need more time to think on this though, I'm rushing to phone post. Bbl.

How exactly?

I feel like you like to be "around" but not "driving" when you're scum, not that you often "drive" as town either, but when Dunnstral and you started pressing on Elements about 39 and 40 it felt like that - that is to say, being "around" without "driving". It's a vibe at this point.

Do you mean being present but not advancing?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Not so much no, I think scum!Gamma advances toward what is convenient without pushing it that way herself

[KawaiiKame]

Do you mean letting someone else advance it and push it along?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Idk if it makes sense for her to be doing that this early on D1 in a large though. Like there are 17 people here and some haven't posted yet. I don't understand why scum!Gamma would want to pressure Elements specifically. Maybe it makes sense if she is over-eager to distance from scum!elements but that feels like a reach

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Do you mean letting someone else advance it and push it along?

yes, someone else (me) finds a direction and scum!Gamma is there to support that direction if it is convenient for her, imo

[KawaiiKame]

Maybe it's to paint Elements as a scapegoat, outside of that it does not seem Gamma is scum based on how you described her scum style
Why did Gamma's questioning peak your scumdar?
pedit: So you feel she's letting you push in the direction of Elements?

[Gamma Emerald]

Not on you necessarily, but interestingly enough it's piqued my scumdar on Gamma. I guess what it does for you is confirms you're still in your NAI range fmpov.

Need more time to think on this though, I'm rushing to phone post. Bbl.

How exactly?

I feel like you like to be "around" but not "driving" when you're scum, not that you often "drive" as town either, but when Dunnstral and you started pressing on Elements about 39 and 40 it felt like that - that is to say, being "around" without "driving". It's a vibe at this point.

Pretty sure you’ve got it backwards to a degree. I think I like being in control more as scum. I am more likely play a support role as town.

[Celebloki]

VT

I understand why people claim miller early on, but why throw out a VT claim on page 1? I'm coming to this site mostly from a background where claiming was against the rules, so I would love to hear how claiming this helps the town.

So scum will not target me and I can last till end game. I believe in myself to find scum as long as I'm alive long enough. Now I just need to be towny enough to not be voted out. I've eliminated half of the work.

You understand why it's generally anti-town to openly claim VT though, right?

[Celebloki]

It seems like some people are being overly-critical, but maybe it's just people eager to get the game out of an RVS mindset.