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[Guillotina]

VT

I understand why people claim miller early on, but why throw out a VT claim on page 1? I'm coming to this site mostly from a background where claiming was against the rules, so I would love to hear how claiming this helps the town.

How long have you played Mafia?

[Guillotina]

VOTE: Nono

Why Nono?

To see if the null vote is to do with kyouko or nono

VOTE: nono

VOTE: Guillotina

Kyouko voted Nono then voted Guilotina, nulling her Nono vote

And not her vote on me whom had not posted at the time?

[Guillotina]

What are the rules for posting multiple times in a row here?

[Elements]

What are the rules for posting multiple times in a row here?

I'd assume there are none unless you're spamming

[Gamma Emerald]

It's been awhile, remind me why voting millers is the best option?

Slight chance mafia fakeclaims miller
They're guilty if investigated
If telling the truth, miller
If lying, mafia

I’m less inclined to vote a miller specifically because there’s more than one miller claim, it suggests that an investigative exists that can clear millers imo.

Hey Gamma. I disagree with this but I don’t feel like getting into it.

:/

[Guillotina]

It's been awhile, remind me why voting millers is the best option?

Slight chance mafia fakeclaims miller
They're guilty if investigated
If telling the truth, miller
If lying, mafia

Disagree, we get rid of them depending on results not on paranoia.

[Guillotina]

It's been awhile, remind me why voting millers is the best option?

Slight chance mafia fakeclaims miller
They're guilty if investigated
If telling the truth, miller
If lying, mafia

Disagree, we get rid of them depending on results not on paranoia.

And by results I mean on their performance towards catching scum, not mechanical.

[Keyleth]

VOTE: Keyleth
are you not a big fan of day 1s?

I haven't really thought of that question but, I wouldn't say I dislike them! They're a bit chaotic at times, but that has its own charm.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Holy shit you're here
VOTE: Guillotina
For that one time in that one game

Who are you?

Chrono Trigger

[Elements]

VOTE: Keyleth
are you not a big fan of day 1s?

I haven't really thought of that question but, I wouldn't say I dislike them! They're a bit chaotic at times, but that has its own charm.

You got any thoughts on any of the players?

[Keyleth]

It's been awhile, remind me why voting millers is the best option?

Slight chance mafia fakeclaims miller
They're guilty if investigated
If telling the truth, miller
If lying, mafia

Disagree, we get rid of them depending on results not on paranoia.

And by results I mean on their performance towards catching scum, not mechanical.

How do you deal with this when the people who know the wolves are the wolves themselves? Like, do you have a certain process? If you don't want to answer this you don't have to.

[Guillotina]

I think Hu Tao was just joking with the VT claim

Oh... it's early here, lol. Just got my kiddo off to school, coffee hasnt done its thing yet. My joke-dar may not be up yet.

It could be a real claim but it's on page 1 and surrounded by what I'm assuming are a few other joke claims, so that's why I'm reading it as fake

It's been awhile, remind me why voting millers is the best option?

From what I gathered, Miller claims are pretty controversial. Scum could claim this early in order to deter any potential investigative roles from targeting them, so people generally aren't a big fan of these claims

Millers are big scum magnets too, they get baited like crazy by them.

[Gamma Emerald]

Holy shit you're here
VOTE: Guillotina
For that one time in that one game

Who are you?

Chrono Trigger

lol I remember that game

[Guillotina]

Gamma and Black probably town

Gamma has done what so far?

There a reason you singled me out?

Dunn's question was fair? Did you consider you've done pro-town things by the time of this post?

[Keyleth]

VOTE: Keyleth
are you not a big fan of day 1s?

I haven't really thought of that question but, I wouldn't say I dislike them! They're a bit chaotic at times, but that has its own charm.

You got any thoughts on any of the players?

I've given a few people some points! Shockingly haven't had to take any away at the moment, mostly cause the only stuff I found odd seemed to be playstyle and I'm not gonna hound someone for that.

[Guillotina]

Holy shit you're here
VOTE: Guillotina
For that one time in that one game

Who are you?

Chrono Trigger

where was that? here?

I've been a minute since i've played here

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma and Black probably town

Gamma has done what so far?

There a reason you singled me out?

Dunn's question was fair? Did you consider you've done pro-town things by the time of this post?

I didn’t see a material difference in how me and Black played

[Guillotina]

Dunn's claim felt like a joke with it being the first post of the game

Incorrect, the correct way to claim miller is in the first post, to make sure there was no pressure on you to compel you to make that claim. Claiming miller in the first post as actual miller is the standard optimal play.

[Guillotina]

I'm not sure. Dunn's claim felt like a joke with it being the first post of the game. Kyouko's feels more real but I'm not familiar enough with her to tell if it's coming from scum

I feel Duun's claim is genuine, millers often claim miller in their opening posts. Duun's miller claim feels straight up, unlikely that mafia plays this directly. Kyouko feels real/potentially opportunistic, shielding herself behind the initial miller claim if she is mafia

VOTE: ssbm_Kyouko

Kawaii is town. I'll support you on Kyoko, not for the same reasons. Looks like they know me and perceive me as a threat, and I can only wonder why.

VOTE: Kyoko

[Guillotina]

I'm not sure. Dunn's claim felt like a joke with it being the first post of the game. Kyouko's feels more real but I'm not familiar enough with her to tell if it's coming from scum

I feel Duun's claim is genuine, millers often claim miller in their opening posts. Duun's miller claim feels straight up, unlikely that mafia plays this directly. Kyouko feels real/potentially opportunistic, shielding herself behind the initial miller claim if she is mafia

VOTE: ssbm_Kyouko

This feels remarkably convoluted

Gamma/Kyoko would be an interesting pair.

[Guillotina]

When I saw Dunn had already claimed Miller I was briefly inclined not to claim even though before opening the daystart PM I was planning to claim.

I decided against that though, I dont see how hiding it does any good. If it's a traitor game with a Mafia Cop it helps them find the traitor but also makes town wary of a traitor early.

If it's not a traitor game, town cops dont waste investigations and I'll be judged on my day play and not on my claim. I'm more than fine with that outcome.

What is a traitor? Like a mafia that kills mafia?

[Guillotina]

Not on you necessarily, but interestingly enough it's piqued my scumdar on Gamma. I guess what it does for you is confirms you're still in your NAI range fmpov.

Need more time to think on this though, I'm rushing to phone post. Bbl.

I hope you elaborated on your Gamma's scum lean when I finish catching up.

[Guillotina]

I belive Dunn and ssbm's claim. Unless the small chance they are scum together or scum informed of miller's in this game. Either way, I wouldn't want them today at the very least. If there are actual millers, there is likely a way to confirm that somehow regardless.

Millers kinda feel as LHF to me for now.

hmm? explain

[Elements]

When I saw Dunn had already claimed Miller I was briefly inclined not to claim even though before opening the daystart PM I was planning to claim.

I decided against that though, I dont see how hiding it does any good. If it's a traitor game with a Mafia Cop it helps them find the traitor but also makes town wary of a traitor early.

If it's not a traitor game, town cops dont waste investigations and I'll be judged on my day play and not on my claim. I'm more than fine with that outcome.

What is a traitor? Like a mafia that kills mafia?

Mafia that doesn't know mafia and Mafia don't know

[Guillotina]

Look if I'm gonna be the only one talking today I'll just post a big wall post. I remember getting warned here for posting genuine single liners before.