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[Hu Tao]

Because most of my mafia career was on sites where roleclaiming was strictly forbidden and would get you modkilled instantly. So this is my second game with claiming allowed and it's... weird. Especially a VT claim so early. If you are a VT, you've helped the mafia target the power roles. If you are lying, you will destroy your credibility later on. I just don't get it.

I didn't think it was a serious claim tbh.

Hu answered that already by saying that it was a true claim. If it's all a gambit, again how is this helping town?

I will tell you what does not help town, getting fixated on a simple VT claim. In fact I'd be more suspect of someone claiming PR early day 1 than a Vanilla claim.
I suspect Hu for different reasons but the thing you are fixating on is... weird.

So I think they weren't too focused on it, they responded when they saw it and they asked another question after you replied

[Hu Tao]

I'm down to pressure there though, just not for the same reasons as yours.

VOTE: Hu

Try your best. Pressure makes diamonds

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: Guillotina

I think there's partner equity in Guillotina/kyouko

Guillotina said she would support a kyouko wagon but jumped off less than 30 minutes later, right after Elements and I joined. I don't think the Celebloki vote was a very good reason to suddenly end their support and having Celebloki at the bottom of their preliminary reads in 310 feels like a performative justification for voting there rather than an actual read

In both 293 and 377 they made sure to include that they weren't voting for the same reason as the person they were sheeping which feels like scum that might be trying to flaunt that their read is unique and different

I think the questions from Guillotina are like...ok, but nothing scum couldn't come up with in an attempt to seem townie, and I think the interpretation in 374 is really odd and it just feels like unnecessary shade towards Timmer

Good post. I also saw the weird shade on Timmer and tried to straighten it out, but maybe it was scum motivated.

[Hu Tao]

Black could be town here. Never seen her as scum before but she seems towny

[Hu Tao]

Anyone here known of any of the other players her that have legitimate meta/alignment tells?

Not really. You?

[Black]

I am here.

I've missed playing with ya. Glad you're here.

Have you played with him before? I thought you said you've never seen him play a game

[Hu Tao]

I meant recently. Gets replaced at the start

[Black]

Ah gotcha. Thought maybe you were an alt or something

[Hu Tao]

No I have completed games with him

[Gamma Emerald]

Ah gotcha. Thought maybe you were an alt or something

[Celebloki]

I've also been in a lot of games that Random Nurse was in a the start, my RVS vote on him is basically because I knew he wasn't going to show.

VOTE: Celebloki

Well now I went and got egg all over my face. I will say I am genuinely excited to actually get to play a game with RN. I definitely was too snarky in that post, but I was just frustrated that it felt like this was another game he was going to replace out of.

Is that what you thought, that Kyo voted for the snark?

I don't see any other reason. It was my opening post with an RVS vote on RN. She was quoting a post of mine being probably a little too mean about assuming that RN flaked this game too. I felt bad when RN actually appeared and started posting and felt I deserved the shade. What do you find scummy about me admitting that I was being unkind in that post?

[Celebloki]

And I guess follow-up question, why do you think Kyouko voted me and quoted 217?

[Random Nurse]

Anyone here known of any of the other players her that have legitimate meta/alignment tells?

Not really. You?

Dave and Dunn I think I can tell now which they are, but I need to see more content/behavioral patterns.

[Celebloki]

UNVOTE:


At this point I can say I heavily town read RN, at least until I develop a different meta for him.

[Guillotina]

My preliminary reads:

Town

Black
Kawaii

Mixed Feelings

Kyouko

Scum

Naerys
Hu
Gamma
Celebloki

Potential Pairings

Kyouko/Gamma
Naerys/Hu

I can't wait to see the reason I'm paired with my scumread

Have you heard of distancing?

[Guillotina]

VOTE: Guillotina

I think there's partner equity in Guillotina/kyouko

Guillotina said she would support a kyouko wagon but jumped off less than 30 minutes later, right after Elements and I joined. I don't think the Celebloki vote was a very good reason to suddenly end their support and having Celebloki at the bottom of their preliminary reads in 310 feels like a performative justification for voting there rather than an actual read

In both 293 and 377 they made sure to include that they weren't voting for the same reason as the person they were sheeping which feels like scum that might be trying to flaunt that their read is unique and different

I think the questions from Guillotina are like...ok, but nothing scum couldn't come up with in an attempt to seem townie, and I think the interpretation in 374 is really odd and it just feels like unnecessary shade towards Timmer

Here is a question?

Am I only allowed to catch 1 scum per phase?

[Guillotina]

You want kyouko now cause you scum read him, I say they are sus but not enough to park my vote on them, frozen votes help no town.

[Guillotina]

Yeah I think based on Guillo’s posting so far the logical conclusion is he is just liberal with his vote. I saw little to indicate he had a change of mind on Celeb but he changed votes still.

I think this is a good point but it just gives me the feeling that nothing Guillotina is pushing is real. It feels more like a "hey look I'm trying to solve!" than actual solving

That is a you problem not mine. I'm not responsible for what you perceive.

[Guillotina]

Black could be town here. Never seen her as scum before but she seems towny

Agreed, Black is obvious town in my opinion. They suspect me based on my playstyle which is what town usually do.

If they townread me right away that'd be a read flag.

[Guillotina]

I've also been in a lot of games that Random Nurse was in a the start, my RVS vote on him is basically because I knew he wasn't going to show.

VOTE: Celebloki

Well now I went and got egg all over my face. I will say I am genuinely excited to actually get to play a game with RN. I definitely was too snarky in that post, but I was just frustrated that it felt like this was another game he was going to replace out of.

Is that what you thought, that Kyo voted for the snark?

I don't see any other reason. It was my opening post with an RVS vote on RN. She was quoting a post of mine being probably a little too mean about assuming that RN flaked this game too. I felt bad when RN actually appeared and started posting and felt I deserved the shade. What do you find scummy about me admitting that I was being unkind in that post?

My impression from your post was that you had TMI.

[Guillotina]

And I guess follow-up question, why do you think Kyouko voted me and quoted 217?

You saying you "knew" he was not gonna show looks like a slip tbh.

[Gamma Emerald]

How is that a slip? And what alignment would RN have been if it was in your mind?

[Guillotina]

VOTE: Andres

This needs to post more content

Good night

[Celebloki]

And I guess follow-up question, why do you think Kyouko voted me and quoted 217?

You saying you "knew" he was not gonna show looks like a slip tbh.

That's where the snark came in, I've been in several games recently where RN has either not confirmed a role PM and replaced out without even posting, or replaced out after making maybe 2 posts. I was fully expecting this game to be no different. He pleasantly surprised me when the prod got a response. I'll also mention that the little bit of meta I did pick up on him is that he struggles to post as scum, he admitted it himself in a previous game. 2 of those games that are completed he in fact turned out to be scum. His more forward and active posting here already breaks that meta for me.

[Guillotina]

How is that a slip? And what alignment would RN have been if it was in your mind?

My mind went "oh shit, maybe they are partners and he knew the other's slot was away cause they've could be talking in scum chat about what are their available times".