Open 895 - 09:12 PM - Postgame

[Cook]

ssbm/black is my strongest pairing right now but i'm willing to be wrong there

think i'd sort like
{ssbm_kyouko, black}
{elements, gob}
{claptastik} is null for lack of activity
{mizuki}
{shaddowez, doc and drew}

Is this traditionally ordered, like in tiers of town down to scum?

nope, it's reverse ordered

gob can be town though

[ssbm_Kyouko]

So Cook is probably town

VOTE: Mizuki

I mean that is kind of a weird post I will say. But do you really think mafia is going to be thinking about that at (what was perceived) EoD/Hammer? I feel like they would be more concerned about their positioning and the positioning of their partner

Well, since I am basically confirmed town and so is Cook

Cook maybe, but even that

could

have been theatre. Why would you be confirmed?

Yea im not confirmed. I sorta thought i was but im not from a 3rd party view.

Mizuki should have known it wasn't a hammer though - her vote is the one that had moved off of Cook and the VC was right there above the 2 votes within like 5 posts

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Black what exactly do you find wrong with my reaction? Kyouko and I had a brief discussion last game on why Town lost previous runs of this setup, which involved PR's getting quickhammered/limmed after claim, which was my specific objection to the (perceived) gob quickhammer.

This was the next thing I was going to post as a reminder - not to quick hammer and not to hammer any un-CCed PR claims. In the games of this setup that scum won a lot like that had happened.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Like I got offline and was thinking about the game and remembered about that as well. It's felt like I don't need to go over everything in as much detail this time because half of us just played this setup together

[ssbm_Kyouko]

shaddowez i think has been a little under the radar.

Still 7 days to go, same thing happened in last game and he was town

[ssbm_Kyouko]

ssbm/black is my strongest pairing right now but i'm willing to be wrong there

think i'd sort like
{ssbm_kyouko, black}
{elements, gob}
{claptastik} is null for lack of activity
{mizuki}
{shaddowez, doc and drew}

I'm close to this. Biggest difference is ssbm. Why town?

She talks more about past games than this one.

VOTE: Ssbm

Is this why you're voting me?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Kyouko ignoring the SR on her.

Noted

I think you're town unless it's exactly you and Cook, and as town I think you'll find me on your own. If you want to talk about something I'm all ears but you said you're not getting town vibes and that my posts are long and complicated.

Long and complicated posts are my shtick and you'd know that if you'd paid attention in the last game. You'll find the vibes eventually I think, but maybe I'm equating you too much with Transcend. Your play reminds me of his and you're both from TOS.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

ssbm/black is my strongest pairing right now but i'm willing to be wrong there

think i'd sort like
{ssbm_kyouko, black}
{elements, gob}
{claptastik} is null for lack of activity
{mizuki}
{shaddowez, doc and drew}

Is this traditionally ordered, like in tiers of town down to scum?

nope, it's reverse ordered

gob can be town though

Could you take me through some of these reads then? Pretty sure you're town here from the fake hammer, but a lot of this doesn't make sense.

Elements I seem to remember you stating was a soul read; i have no idea why you read me as scum. Black i can see because she E-1ed you after gob claimed he would hammer any E-1s but is that the only reason or is there more to it?

Gob is one read that does make sense to me (after you moved him to town), as does claptastik, but speaking of null for lack of activity, why is shaddowez in your top town considering his activity?

Is the Mizuki read due to her reaction to your fake hammer or is there more to that too? And what about Doc and Drew? I don't remember you talking with/about them and they're literally not in your ISO at all, except where you say they're town. Looking at their ISO with yours you three haven't interacted at all.

Also happy scumday

[Black]

VOTE: Claptastik

not planning on policying — that was my expression of frustration at gob

Can you answer 135

Similar thing here. You vote me, then follow up with an unrelated question to someone else. Can you explain the thought process in that sequence?

I like wagons and I couldn't really find anything townie in your ISO

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Could you take me through some of these reads then?

Can take me through all of them if you want but I just don't understand like more than half of this list and that's pretty not good

[Black]

ssbm/black is my strongest pairing right now but i'm willing to be wrong there

think i'd sort like
{ssbm_kyouko, black}
{elements, gob}
{claptastik} is null for lack of activity
{mizuki}
{shaddowez, doc and drew}

Is this traditionally ordered, like in tiers of town down to scum?

nope, it's reverse ordered

gob can be town though

Could you take me through some of these reads then? Pretty sure you're town here from the fake hammer, but a lot of this doesn't make sense.

Elements I seem to remember you stating was a soul read; i have no idea why you read me as scum. Black i can see because she E-1ed you after gob claimed he would hammer any E-1s but is that the only reason or is there more to it?

Gob is one read that does make sense to me (after you moved him to town), as does claptastik, but speaking of null for lack of activity, why is shaddowez in your top town considering his activity?

Is the Mizuki read due to her reaction to your fake hammer or is there more to that too? And what about Doc and Drew? I don't remember you talking with/about them and they're literally not in your ISO at all, except where you say they're town. Looking at their ISO with yours you three haven't interacted at all.

Also happy scumday

How sure are you about town!Cook? It feels like you're questioning the reads in a way that suggests you don't believe they are real

[ssbm_Kyouko]

No way is Cook scum unless gob is also scum imo. If it weren't for the fake hammer I would not believe they were real. There are some there that make absolutely no sense and part of the reason I'm questioning them is to see if I'm missing the sense, and if not, to bring Cook to her senses because putting shaddowez into the highest town tier is actual nonsense. Here, let me quote shaddowez'

whole ISO

:

VOTE: Gob

Technically V/LA, will be back Monday

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Maybe I have played with Cook before because an upside down reads list sounds vaguely familiar

[Black]

No way is Cook scum unless gob is also scum imo.

I don't understand this. Why couldn't Cook be scum here that realized she wasn't hammered and played it off like she was? Why is she only scum if gob is scum?

[shaddowez]

Didn't get back to this until today and have to catch up, but I love that my entire ISO of 1 post so far is being used for something.

[shaddowez]

shaddowez i think has been a little under the radar.

I literally posted an RVS vote and have been V/LA. Stop ruining my scum game

[shaddowez]

VOTE: clap

I can't throw stones about post count/engagement, but the posts he has don't seem like he's trying to find information. 190 and 191 are super interesting, considering Cook clarifies in 200 that the order was reversed. In 189 he back off his Elements read, but completely ignores the question of limming him.

[Mizuki]

Wait so Mizuki did you not know Cook was not hammered?

I saw Black post E-1 and just, believed it, I was not paying too much attention to VC's. In hindsight, you're correct I should've realized it was a fake hammer, but I just genuinely wasn't paying that much attention.

[Mizuki]

Claptastik's push on Elements feels really lazy and 100 pings me as really weird for how early in the game it was made.

Speaking of lazy pushes, you've talked ABOUT me a couple times, but made no attempt to talk TO me. Is that how you usually sort people?

Yes, frankly. I don't really engage super heavily with people unless I want to get inside their headspace. You can call it strange, and tbh it is, but I tend to do better when I sort of, approach the game as an outsider? If that makes sense? As if I'm solving as a spectator rather than an active player. It's also just kind of how I talk.

[gob]

Mizuki, Clap, Kyouko

has a wolf

[Cook]

Mizuki, Clap, Kyouko

has a wolf

concur here

[ssbm_Kyouko]

No way is Cook scum unless gob is also scum imo.

I don't understand this. Why couldn't Cook be scum here that realized she wasn't hammered and played it off like she was? Why is she only scum if gob is scum?

I don't believe she realized she wasn't hammered, her reaction seems very real. It could have been pre-planned to

appear

real, and if so I'm fooled, but it would be pretty dumb of scumteam!{gob,Cook} to make this play, even if it is convincing now it falls apart later.

I guess it's conceivable that Cook can be scum with you since you set up the fake E-1 but I think you didn't know it was a fake E-1. I say she's only scum if gob is scum because if her reaction is faked it was planned ahead, and the only ones who she could plan it ahead with were you and gob. Initially I thought it could only have been gob.

If it is scum!gob, it only makes sense if he and Cook have planned this ahead of time as buddies, and even then it's incredibly risky. What happens if gob and Cook are still alive in 5p ELO as scum? Imo the paranoia really sinks in at this point and if one of them flips, the other is likely to be highly suspected and could possibly be guiltied overNight depending on the PRs. This just doesn't make sense.

If gob is scum and Cook is town, why does he fake hammer her here? It just gives her the opportunity to have a town reaction and clears her. What's the scum motivation there? Doesn't make sense, therefore if gob is scum, it's only with Cook. Cook could be scum with you here though, but again, I think Cook's reaction is real.

Didn't get back to this until today and have to catch up, but I love that my entire ISO of 1 post so far is being used for something.

it will make sense when you catch up

[ssbm_Kyouko]

VOTE: clap

I can't throw stones about post count/engagement, but the posts he has don't seem like he's trying to find information. 190 and 191 are super interesting, considering Cook clarifies in 200 that the order was reversed. In 189 he back off his Elements read, but completely ignores the question of limming him.

200 comes after 190/191 though? I also ignored gob when he became interested in limming me.

Cook, Gob are town here. Everyone else feels null or south of it, and I think my TRs are both scumreading me.
I feel like so many votes here are good I don't know where to go.
VOTE: Mizuki

Would like an answer on this to start

@Mizuki

What about Clap's posting stands out? I feel like very little is standing out this game, except gob. All I can remember about Clap and Cook is them briefly talking about policy

[Claptastik]

Feeling worse about Claptastic after their catch up

Why?

FYI I was on phone and I'm not used to posting by phone.

[Claptastik]

ssbm/black is my strongest pairing right now but i'm willing to be wrong there

think i'd sort like
{ssbm_kyouko, black}
{elements, gob}
{claptastik} is null for lack of activity
{mizuki}
{shaddowez, doc and drew}

Is this traditionally ordered, like in tiers of town down to scum?

nope, it's reverse ordered

No clue what to think of this. Shaddowez had one post at that point, which merely announced his VLA. Not top-tier-town activity.