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[ssbm_Kyouko]

I feel like
1. If Hu Tao's claim is real, it's not that helpful of a role right now because we're so early in. It would very hard to correctly guess the NK this early in the game, so even if it's real, scum might just leave them be anyways in hopes they'll get mislimmed before scum want to spend a NK on them
2. Could just be a fake claim because they have a useful scum PR
3. Could just be a fake claim from a goon to try to avoid dying/get value before dying

I feel like if we ignore the claim and lim Hu Tao anyways we would gain a lot more than we stand to lose if they are town. Like risk-reward is in favor of limming Hu Tao.

[Broccoli Quest 2]

@Mod VLA until Friday

I kinda agree with Kyoko but at the same time I slightly believe the claim

I don't really have any idea for somebody else to wagon right now and I don't have time to post until Friday most likely so I'm leaving the vote there even though it's non optimum. K bye I really need to go now.

[TimmerRC]

I feel like
1. If Hu Tao's claim is real, it's not that helpful of a role right now because we're so early in. It would very hard to correctly guess the NK this early in the game, so even if it's real, scum might just leave them be anyways in hopes they'll get mislimmed before scum want to spend a NK on them
2. Could just be a fake claim because they have a useful scum PR
3. Could just be a fake claim from a goon to try to avoid dying/get value before dying

I feel like if we ignore the claim and lim Hu Tao anyways we would gain a lot more than we stand to lose if they are town. Like risk-reward is in favor of limming Hu Tao.

So you are in favour of limming a claimed Doctor?

[Celebloki]

I don't

b

elieve the claim at all. I also don't believe for a second that Hu Tao thought she was actually hammered so the claim itself was no way a twilight-esque spew. It was a calculated gambit.

[Black]

I understand the suspicion around Hu Tao's claim because I think the way she claimed it was really odd, but I don't really see the harm in keeping her around a bit longer. Either Mafia get rid of her overnight or we can deal with her closer to ELO

[Black]

I'm leaving the vote there even though it's non optimum.

That's a really strange choice

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I feel like
1. If Hu Tao's claim is real, it's not that helpful of a role right now because we're so early in. It would very hard to correctly guess the NK this early in the game, so even if it's real, scum might just leave them be anyways in hopes they'll get mislimmed before scum want to spend a NK on them
2. Could just be a fake claim because they have a useful scum PR
3. Could just be a fake claim from a goon to try to avoid dying/get value before dying

I feel like if we ignore the claim and lim Hu Tao anyways we would gain a lot more than we stand to lose if they are town. Like risk-reward is in favor of limming Hu Tao.

So you are in favour of limming a claimed Doctor?

yep. Or Celebloki?

I don't believe the claim at all. I also don't believe for a second that Hu Tao thought she was actually hammered so the claim itself was no way a twilight-esque spew. It was a calculated gambit.

I think Hu Tao was so obviously

not

hammered it's hard to believe they were not joking there? At least that was my impression. I don't think it was meant to be taken seriously

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Reminder for me to get back to dave about facts > conclusions when I'm back on PC tomorrow

[gob]

I'm too late to be the first one to bring up that questioning Elements over apparently getting Dunn and me confused seems pretty nit picky. To me jumping on a "slip" is scum more often than town. Not enough to make a read from but worth remembering.

I think it depends on the slip. When person starts to pushing for a person that got previous night NKed, i think that deserves to be pushed. But mistaking one player for another can happen easily to anyone. Especially if they have similiar names/pictures. Happened to me, was quite embarassing. So i can relate to Elements and honestly dont really feel like pushing him for it.

What scum agenda involves pushing the last night’s NK?

Not much of agenda as lack of engagement and paying attention.
Even though he isnt in this game,scum!gob is already legendary for these slips

What the fuck, no I am not. Unless everyone is talking about me where I can't see them. I make those mistakes as both alignments. And never accuse me of having a lack of engagement.

[gob]

Anybody can get it at this point, im in a mood.

Bring the scummiest persons to me and I will make them crack

[gob]

Can someone explain the voting mechanics this game? And anything else weird about the game.

[gob]

Oh its still day 1. Alright well I'll see you guys day 2.

[Gamma Emerald]

Can someone explain the voting mechanics this game? And anything else weird about the game.

There are no special voting mechanics

[TimmerRC]

Hu's claim of being hammered was quite weird and could be false. Celebloki being so adamant about the vote remaining there seems like self preservation, I'm trying to decide if that feels scum aligned or not.

[Gamma Emerald]

Hu’s reaction “could be” false?

[TimmerRC]

Obviously I meant the thinking they were hammered part. Dude.

[Broccoli Quest 2]

Welp seems like I'm not getting sleep tonight so might as well play mafia

I'm leaving the vote there even though it's non optimum.

That's a really strange choice

Argh why do you have to make it hard to kill le scum. We're on the same side this game (I hope).

Look the truth is, I WANT to believe that claim but honestly it's a bit phony and I want the possibility for a Hu Tao lim to exist even when I'm VLA. It won't happen without 4-5 other townies also agreeing to it (unless you think all scum would go on that wagon).

If you want I can try casing her more, but I just think she's the likeliest to flip scum.

Obviously I meant the thinking they were hammered part. Dude.

I agree that it was obvious.

Hu's claim of being hammered was quite weird and could be false. Celebloki being so adamant about the vote remaining there seems like self preservation, I'm trying to decide if that feels scum aligned or not.

Why self preservation? I think it's perfectly reasonable not to believe the claim.

[TimmerRC]

Why self preservation? I think it's perfectly reasonable not to believe the claim.

I feel like Celeb's been asked to comment on the game and not their own situation and this is the first thing that they've come out swinging on. The thought isn't bad, the whole thing feels weird to me as well, but the adamant tone when this is a chance to deflect attention off of themselves just feels convenient.

That said... Hu dropped this awkwardly and a bit jokily and then seems to have disappeared, which I don't like.

[Gamma Emerald]

Obviously I meant the thinking they were hammered part. Dude.

yeah and that’s why I find your word choice an issue. I don’t see how you are undecided on the legitimacy of the reaction, so it feels like manufactured leeway.

[Hu Tao]

I think this claim is scum trying to get info. From experience as partner with Hu Tao it feels very likely.

When I was scum with you, when was I in a situation like this?

Not the same circumstance, but very much the same technique.
I don't recommend a counter from the real doc, if there is one.

[Hu Tao]

I feel like
1. If Hu Tao's claim is real, it's not that helpful of a role right now because we're so early in. It would very hard to correctly guess the NK this early in the game, so even if it's real, scum might just leave them be anyways in hopes they'll get mislimmed before scum want to spend a NK on them
2. Could just be a fake claim because they have a useful scum PR
3. Could just be a fake claim from a goon to try to avoid dying/get value before dying

I feel like if we ignore the claim and lim Hu Tao anyways we would gain a lot more than we stand to lose if they are town. Like risk-reward is in favor of limming Hu Tao.

Eliminating doc optimal. Yes.

[TimmerRC]

Obviously I meant the thinking they were hammered part. Dude.

yeah and that’s why I find your word choice an issue. I don’t see how you are undecided on the legitimacy of the reaction, so it feels like manufactured leeway.

You don't believe it could have been a real reaction, to the point that anyone using a simple term to indicate that none of us know if it was or not is scummy to you?

That's not manufactured leeway that's me saying I've seen a lot of weird shit in mafia and I don't jump to assumptions very quickly because of it.

[gob]

I think this claim is scum trying to get info. From experience as partner with Hu Tao it feels very likely.

When I was scum with you, when was I in a situation like this?

Not the same circumstance, but very much the same technique.
I don't recommend a counter from the real doc, if there is one.

Pretty wolfy response.

[Hu Tao]

I feel like
1. If Hu Tao's claim is real, it's not that helpful of a role right now because we're so early in. It would very hard to correctly guess the NK this early in the game, so even if it's real, scum might just leave them be anyways in hopes they'll get mislimmed before scum want to spend a NK on them
2. Could just be a fake claim because they have a useful scum PR
3. Could just be a fake claim from a goon to try to avoid dying/get value before dying

I feel like if we ignore the claim and lim Hu Tao anyways we would gain a lot more than we stand to lose if they are town. Like risk-reward is in favor of limming Hu Tao.

So you are in favour of limming a claimed Doctor?

yep. Or Celebloki?

I don't believe the claim at all. I also don't believe for a second that Hu Tao thought she was actually hammered so the claim itself was no way a twilight-esque spew. It was a calculated gambit.

I think Hu Tao was so obviously

not

hammered it's hard to believe they were not joking there? At least that was my impression. I don't think it was meant to be taken seriously

I'm okay with cele gone

[gob]

I am okay with myself gone...